I think Gears will sell more than Halo. Bigger install base, more time off since last entry, etc.
That is if we know how many copies Halo sold in a similar time frame.
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NPD Sales Results for December 2015 [Up1: Super Mario Maker]
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That is if we know how many copies Halo sold in a similar time frame.
Silent Chief
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He probably bought most of them.
They did support it and made a tone of mony from it. The problem is than it was all casual market games not AAA core games that sold well on PS3 360 and now PS4 One. That market has contracted drastically.
slavesnyder
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That's why sold consoles are of no importance any more.
Europe is more than just France & Germany, & yes I know most of TR's fanbase is on Playstation, but maybe there were enough people that either bought an XB1 for it, or have multiple consoles, TR sold 1 million, it sold like shit in the US, then the most likely scenario is that it sold ~25k in every market in Europe, adding up to a decent amount in the end.
Nah, retailers did. According to him, those are their customers.
For the XB1, Europe is essentially the UK and a tiny bit of France.
I would be surprised by it too. Somethings not quite adding up.
Me too. That Star Wars bundle had to have sold gangbusters.
iOS & Android are part of the industry as well. Discounting Nintendo is stupid, but so is discounting mobile, all those platforms are part of the video games industry.
Chezzymann
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Was the PS2 a 'blip' too?
Primethius
Banned
I wonder what Halo 5 is sitting at in the NPD. We know it hasn't crossed 1.9 million yet. But the range is still pretty large (>1.3, <1.9).
atlusprime
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Obliterator
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I don't think thats impossible actually if the game is damn good. Halo 4 was poorly received by the fanbase, MCC was an utter mess, and Halo 5 was extremely mixed. There was a lot going against it.
If they can deliver an exceptional experience with Gears 4 that the majority of the fanbase can agree is quality I think it could be bigger than Halo yeah. But its going to have to be damn good to pull it off.
theprodigy
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You can think that...you'd also be wrong.
Primethius
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Means to me that XB1 did really good in that extra week.
There's a tiny bit of XB1 in every market in Europe, a lot of tinies can add up eventually. Where else did the TR sales come from?
No.
Wii was bought by people who have never bought a console before, and never will again. Many people. It was a fad. PS2 was not. It was a great system supported by the masses.
Anton Sugar
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...yes? There were a lot of server/matchmaking issues, but the game was far from unplayable. I played it almost daily throughout December.
A little over a month later, the majority of its issues have been fixed and they bumped up the tickrate. Ubi has been great with Siege.
Only Sony is doing well, Xbox One is still tracking ahead of 360 but there's no way to end selling more than 80 million and Wii U is tragic.
Plus Wii public didn't vanish in the air, so the industry of home consoles is losing costumers.
The guy said console industry.
It's possible, but I'm not sure it's that likely. Not only has Gears of War (as a franchise) traditionally sold far less than Halo in the past, but the last game in the series saw a much harsher decline than Halo 4. Plus it's still being developed by an entirely new team, and hasn't exactly had the best showing so far. Pretty sure Master Chief Collection saw much greater sales than Gears of War Ultimate as well, though granted it was far better value proposition.
Install base doesn't really mean much in itself, otherwise Halo 5 should have sold more than Halo 3.
Steverulez
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Always bet on Rod!
I think the open beta will give a good idea of what to expect from it
TR has yet to sell more than 100k in Germany (including digital).
The XB1 was at 80k LTD as of June 2015 in Spain. Italy probably isn't much better.
]Any other market in Europe is much, much smaller than the ones mentioned above.
But sure, TR managed an average of 25k sold per european country.
I believe that when Microsoft said it sold over 1 million they were including shipments and digital. It's a good possibility that they over shipped.
I'm sorry, but i can't agree with you. You are just repeating that the game sold 25k in every market in Europe but you don't have any data to support your argument.
Do we have any data about game sales outside the XB1 strongest EU markets?
Edit: what's the problem in accepting that the US sales are >50% of the total?
instead of a fad I would call the Wii lighting in a bottle that won't happen again for quite a while. It sold too much for quite a while to be a fad.
People on this forum only seem to care about Sony and MS Sales. PC is also usually ignored.
Chezzymann
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I'm pretty sure there was plenty of people who only bought a PS2 since it was a cheap DVD player. Of course that would throw a wrench in your narrative that consoles aren't declining though. Plenty of generations have had a significant casual community besides the Wii gen. It's pure sillyness to just exclude it and say everything is fine.
Either way, excluding this whole Wii thing, consoles still won't match gen 6 in sales unless xbox one and ps4 can combine to over 180 million
Aaron Greenberg's imagination.
Primethius
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...yes? There were a lot of server/matchmaking issues, but the game was far from unplayable. I played it almost daily throughout December.
A little over a month later, the majority of its issues have been fixed and they bumped up the tickrate. Ubi has been great with Siege.
Yo, preach it. I'm so glad the game's sold well. One of the few times I've actually been invested in a game selling.
gundamkyoukai
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I really don't think first party software is losing ground .
They were never really that big to begin with other than a small numbers of titles.
And for eg Sony software was also stronger in EU than NA.
EDIT i should say i am not counting Nintendo here.
And that's why they are delaying games. Why rush out prodcuts when you don't have too.
That's not true. They were losing last gen but titles like God of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5 didn't launch until years into the PS3's life.
,Updated BIU list for current gen consoles (December awards in italic)
PS4
100k-200k
ASSASSIN'S CREED IV: BLACK FLAG
BATMAN ARKHAM KNIGHT
BATTLEFIELD 4
BATTLEFIELD HARDLINE
BLOODBORNE
CALL OF DUTY: GHOSTS
DRAGON AGE INQUISITION
INFAMOUS SECOND SON
JUST CAUSE 3
KILLZONE SHADOW FALL
METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN
NEED FOR SPEED RIVALS
PROJECT CARS
THE EVIL WITHIN
THE CREW
THE ORDER 1886
UNTIL DAWN
200k-500k
ASSASSIN'S CREED SYNDICATE
ASSASSIN'S CREED UNITY
CALL OF DUTY: ADVANCED WARFARE
DESTINY
DRIVECLUB
FALLOUT 4
FAR CRY 4
FIFA 14
FIFA 15
MIDDLE-EARTH: SHADOW OF MORDOR
MINECRAFT
NEED FOR SPEED
STAR WARS: BATTLEFRONT
THE LAST OF US REMASTERED
THE WITCHER 3: WILD HUNT
WATCH_DOGS
>500k
CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS III
FIFA 16
GRAND THEFT AUTO V
WIU
100k-200k
MARIO PARTY 10
SPLATOON
SUPER MARIO 3D WORLD
SUPER MARIO MAKER
SUPER SMASH BROS.
YOSHI'S WOOLLY WORLD
200k-500k
MARIO KART 8
>500k
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XB1
100k-200k
CALL OF DUTY: BLACK OPS III
FIFA 15
FIFA 16
GRAND THEFT AUTO V
200k-500k
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>500k
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edit: ha, SSX posted that already. Well my list is better anyway
I think the Xbox One as a console and platform will look very different next year, and I think MS will be putting Gears 4 at the front of a relaunch/rebranding. There will be a Beta in the spring to increase exposure and I think there is an itch for Gears that is going to become quite apparent next year.
Could be wrong, of course!
Silent Chief
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I bought Demon's Souls day 1. A coworker asked me if I had the game and I said yes. So he asked to borrow it and I said no--I used to lend him blurays--it's not the type of game you try. I told him there was no point in trying it if he wasn't serious about playing it. So he went and bought his own copy.
Also, compared to Bloodborne, Halo 5 just looks like a generic shooter.
What did you expect? There were no heavy hitters for the 3DS this holiday season, and there's no compelling reason to buy a Vita if you're a first time owner as the library has leaned heavily towards satisfying those that already own one.
statham
Member
Yes I sure this happened. don't be salty.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
It's the New Skyrim.
Judgment is not a manline game like Halo 4.
Coded Heroin
Banned
Holy shit at GTA V! It's unbelievable the legs it has. I really need to play this damned game.
And I thought COD was dead, but it managed to take two spots in the Top 10 of 2015. It's truly amazing for a franchise with annual release.
Surprised that people didn't take into account the SW and COD PS4 bundles that pretty much sold like hot cakes in December... sales that aren't included in the making of the software list.
And I thought COD was dead, but it managed to take two spots in the Top 10 of 2015. It's truly amazing for a franchise with annual release.
Surprised that people didn't take into account the SW and COD PS4 bundles that pretty much sold like hot cakes in December... sales that aren't included in the making of the software list.
Which is a mistake, people can segment the video games industry into different parts, but all those parts add up to the same industry, the "core" AAA industry is growing, the "casual" industry is growing, the MMO & MOBA industry is growing.
Not being in a box doesn't make it any less of a video game.
I would propose that Nintendo's software is massively down versus the Wii/DS and that headliners for the other vendors like Halo and Gran Turismo are doing worse than they used to.
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