Doesn't need to give HW figures, but can you comment if sales pattern for PS4 and Xbox One in Canada are similar to USA?
That's a doubt that surged in another thread about Canada being or not a good market for Xbox One like USA.
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NPD Sales Results for December 2015 [Up1: Super Mario Maker]
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Doesn't need to give HW figures, but can you comment if sales pattern for PS4 and Xbox One in Canada are similar to USA?
That's a doubt that surged in another thread about Canada being or not a good market for Xbox One like USA.
Wildarmsjecht
Member
There was a bit of discussion some pages back.
I think general consensus is that it's likely feasible that it sold over a million worldwide...but just barely.
I don't think there's enough info to prove otherwise tho.
I could be wrong. No coffee yet.
Digital sales + bundled copies + rest of the world sales.
ninjablade
Banned
this has me worried for horizon, maybe gamers just don't wanna play as a female? i can't think of any reason it would bomb this hard.
Wouldn't the 1m ww include digital and be for both 360 and XB1 versions?
This being said, am I taking crazy pills or why am I wondering why it seems that many people apparently find 1m units (likely including digital) sold over 2 months, the busiest of the year, for a well known AAA Franchise would be good?
Imo even if the 1m is true, that's f*ing abysmal, no?
Sammy Samusu
Member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=181727775&postcount=16
They came for me in another thread. It is what it is. No agenda.
We discussed some numbers.
The sales this month were ~210, being 170K(XB1) and 40K(X360). Adding the last month numbers that's like 400K total.
People are confident that this number is enough to reach 1 million, after you add 25% digital and rotw sales (UK number is estimated at ~150K and we have 26K from launch week in France).
Eerr, i don't think playing as a girl is ROTR problem. We have much better reasons for the game bombing:
-Poor launch date
-Reduced number of platforms
-Not available where the majority of the fanbase is (PC and PS)
-Bad bundle choice
-Strong backslash before launch
Just choose one of the above
Wildarmsjecht
Member
I don't think it has ANYTHING to do with that.
We know quite well why RoTR bombed and its not because of lead character designation.
Damn, those Black Ops III sales... I expected a bigger drop this December.
Lol, this was expected since the terrible first week in UK.
Nothing new Here. Splatoon has outsold Halo 5 in 2015, and the gap Will only increase since now.
Lol, this was expected since the terrible first week in UK.
Nothing new Here. Splatoon has outsold Halo 5 in 2015, and the gap Will only increase since now.
boredandlazy
Member
Just like all the people who bought the first game.
ninjablade
Banned
the timing, or because its on xbox only?
SmartWaffles
Member
Optimistic guess is that Halo 5 is at around 3-3.5M, splatoon being ahead is not that surprising considering it launches half a year earlier and is absolutely universally loved as the best 2015 title on WiiU.
igordennis
Member
You trust cosmic right? He did the math and it checks out, greenberg wasn't lying. Its really not that hard to see how its feasible when you add digital, bundles etc
TR2013 sold 8.5 million in 2 years: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-04-06-tomb-raider-reboot-has-sold-8-5m-copies
Wildarmsjecht
Member
Bit of both.
Throw in bad PR over an extended period of time and the confirmed knowledge that the game will come out at a later time on alternate platforms that might offer better fidelity and the like.
Gotdatmoney
Member
The NX can't do worse than the WiiU. No one predicted WiiU would crater this hard honestly. I expect console NX to be above N64 if they dont't fuck up royally. In this global market that is not a supremely high barrier.
I mean anyone with common sense knew there was no chance any Nintendo game amde the top 10.
I'll say that Xenoblades sales were quite decent at the very least.
Both.
Horizon is not even close to being in the same predicament.
ninjablade
Banned
thats impressive, i wonder how much of those sales came from the 360 version. the game bombing like this is pretty crazy.
I think this info is very interesting (don't know the number split):
ZhugeEX ‏@ZhugeEX 3m3 minutes ago
Yup, said it would happen. Star Wars Battlefront has sold more than 12 million units since launch making it a huge success.
ZhugeEX ‏@ZhugeEX 3m3 minutes ago
Yup, said it would happen. Star Wars Battlefront has sold more than 12 million units since launch making it a huge success.
Last year they won November and December. This year they were trounced in both months, so I'm not sure where your conclusion is coming from.
QuantumZebra
Member
At the end of the world, all that will be left are cockroaches, Hondas, and old copies of GTA
Lol exactly, I can think of several reasons as to why RotR was a failure saleswise. None of them have anything to do with it having a female protagonist.
unapersson
Member
But how many bought it thinking it was Dude Raider*? No way they'd be coming back.
*
Can't quite remember the relationship of that name to Uncharted. Probably just a nickname 
The math included ~300k bundle guesstimate. I'm really not surer it sold that much.
Really?
Fess
Member
Don't worry, TR will have long legs, the exclusivity deal and XB1 not being the top selling platform has probably caused at least two thirds of the gamers to wait for other versions, it'll get another sales boost later in the month when PC gamers get to play it with even better graphics and nice framerates, and later in the year it's PS4 owners turn to get a taste of one of the best games from 2015 in the assumed Definitive Edition.
Plus, Horizon is a whole other game, it won't sell poorly just because it has a girl in the lead, I'm more worried about the actual gameplay, the concept sounds awesome but GG's games has mostly wowed me with the visuals.
QuantumZebra
Member
I really can't tell if this is serious or not.
Ok I guess this thread is headed straight to loony town.
Tomb Raider was sent out to die by MS (releasing same day as FO4) and everyone knew a mile away that it being exclusive to Xbone was an awful idea.
MS can barely keep Halo relevant on their system (seriously not bashing them, its just true) - how could they sustain a series that was always viewed as a PS brand?
Horizon will do great, believe that.
ethomaz
Banned
Maybe shipment or digital?
I mean, it's not 100% crazy. Tomb Raider is a different circumstance, but haven't we heard stories of developers being turned down by publishers because their games included a female or colored protagonist? I think Indivisible is a good example.
Darkstorne
Member
I thought digital sales were usually 15-20%? Even if you're really generous and assume it did manage 25% digital, how does that equal 1m?
400k from US
150k from UK
200k from the rest of the world (insanely generous)
=750k
+25% digital (188k rounded up) = 938k.
That's still shy of 1m when we're being overly generous with both rotw sales and digital %. What am I missing? Bundles? Again you're asking for almost 100k in bundle sales, which seems incredibly ambitious given all the other bundles on offer.
Horizon will be fine unless it locks itself into a single platform deal... Yikes! You're right it's doomed!
In other news think harder.
If you read my other posts in this thread you'll see that i'm one of the skeptical ones.
I only think that the game reached 1 million because of the 360 copies and that's barely. Not "much more than 1 million", like greenberg said. I even said on the old Halo, Gears, TR sold 1M thread that, to me, US sales should account for at least 55% of the total.
Maybe the bundle did very well, but being fair i just can't see it doing more than 100K total. It was only sold at BB (and insiders said that the performance was abysmal) and was exclusive to Amazon in Europe (not sold in UK).
Cornbread78
Member
Damn, good stuff up in here. We should all just say Thank You to NPD for providing some concrete numbers. Maybe we can send Bish over for additional negotiations for additional numbers, lol.
CosmicQueso
Member
Bundle assumption was 190k at 400k us physical.
Only issue I have with the statements were the "well over" bit he tacked on. 1m I can see a reasonable path to, but "well over"? Don't know about that, or how it is even defined.
You are an optimistic person, but how will it work?
PS4 users get their exclusive Indiana-Jones-type adventure game this spring with Sony marketing galore.
In fall there will be the same situation for TR on PS4 like this year on Xboxone: Big holiday titles all around the release date. And if Horizon is not delayed, you will have another Sony exclusive with a female protagonist. No, ROTR is a bomba and it will stay a bomba. Damage has already been done. If it ever reaches 2,5 Mio LTD I will be amazed.
190K is worldwide, right Cosmic?
ethomaz
Banned
People believing in Greenberg makes me surprised... he lied a lot in the past about sales and he even said for them shell-in = shell-through.
The infamous 360 selling over what it shipped was ridiculous.
Yeah just saw this, my bad. Only picked it up on your initial 300k US physical analysis.
Come on, if 25% is digital then it's at 1mil. It's at 750k as well which is prime 25% calculations.
It's not 25% of the physical numbers, it's 25% of the total.
Darkstorne
Member
Very good point, and also the reason I didn't study maths at university. So even at 20% digital (a much more reasonable estimate) I guess I can see how 1 million might be possible if bundles also performed well.
Well over must be 1.2m at maximum. Is Aaron Greenberg after all.
SoraanTribal
Member
Has there been any information released about Xenoblade X's sales? Just curious mostly.
I think he was absolutely being serious based off his later posts... its just baffling how someone can think like that.
Interfectum
Member
People doubted the power of Star Wars... haha
JetSetRadio
Banned
Does anyone have the top selling HW list for december?