I think they would rather fall on their sword before they ever go 3rd party.
But yeah the NX has to do something different.
Good luck to them trying to pry casuals eyes away from their phones and tablets, seems a near impossible task.
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NPD Sales Results for December 2015 [Up1: Super Mario Maker]
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I think they would rather fall on their sword before they ever go 3rd party.
But yeah the NX has to do something different.
Good luck to them trying to pry casuals eyes away from their phones and tablets, seems a near impossible task.
Inb4 Apple buys Nintendo and we all witness the rise of the new king of gaming.
"Mario 48 available now on the App Store for $9.99*.
*In-app purchases available."
Nah, it sold way more than that. Even PS3 is probably more than that.
In like many third world countries in Asia in India PC gaming dominates. The difference between game prices itself is a big reason, for example Rise of the Tomb Raider pre-order is 999 INR (14.7 USD) on steam right now and the Xbone version is like 4000INR . I'm sure the PS3 sold more than 2 million though and PS2 sold way more than that. Playstation is simply a bigger brand and Sony has bigger retail penetration. I know that Xbox one was only available thorough Amazon India for quite a long time.
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/featu...k-friday-deals-gets-dominated-in-india-628766
This article mentions that PS4 sold like 50k last year alone and Xbox one is doing way worse.
http://asidcast.com/bleak-future-xbox-one-in-india/
article said:
1st Course
Member
PlayStation sales as of 2011:
PS3: 600k
PS2: 1.1 million
PSP: 1.5 million
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131778062&postcount=99
http://galyonkin.com/2011/10/10/pro-prodazhi-sony-v-rossii/
Couldn't find Xbox figures.
chromatic9
Member
China suppose to be 500k for XB1 and PS4 combined as of a few months ago. With PS4 dominating.
https://zhugeex.com/2015/11/ps4-xb1-install-base-in-china-reaches-500000/
More interesting would be how Canada is doing, is it 500k, 1mil or 3 mill for both combined? How reflective is the market to US/UK in terms of a place XBO does well, in. Can we add Canada to that list?
I asked for the numbers a few pages back. he replied he had them so we'll see if they get posted.
SolarMystic
Member
I'm assuming that the lack of bundled games tracking contributed to Battlefront selling more single copies on Xbox One vs Ps4.
Is the flat sales YOY something to be worried about? I'm guessing it is just fall off of last gen systems since current gen is outpacing all expectations.
Is the flat sales YOY something to be worried about? I'm guessing it is just fall off of last gen systems since current gen is outpacing all expectations.
I know right.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
This is a very tired rhetoric.
Nintendo are a business, they have shareholders. If the choices are collapse or widing their sales, the choice is obvious.
PSP the Beast lol
Birgitte2004
Member
That number is clearly rounded multiple times.
Let's say the real numbers are 198 million, 181 million PC, 15.5 million Xbox Ones.
The ratios are relatively maintained, however the Xbox One number is significantly lower than 18 million.
Or it could easily have gone the other way, like 202 180 19.
But anyone taking the 18 million at face value based on the statement we had is just asking to be mislead.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Are there any more markets we can scrape off the bottom of the barrel for leeh?
Antartica is probably doing strong numbers.
chromatic9
Member
Apparently the ice melting is down to widespread use of Xbox's and not Global warming in the pole regions scientists say.
bitbydeath
Member
Notice they didn't use the actual words 'sold through', given MS is notorious for spin 'active' probably just means they have been manufactured and have since been turned on during testing.
1.7M 360 and 1M PS3 around the end of 2012.
How many XB1 do you expect there after just a bit over 1 year?
http://kotaku.com/5955739/welcome-to-russia-where-most-of-your-friends-are-video-game-pirates
Yes you're right, I was a bit too hasty with my response.
Business is business.
I just meant third party on other consoles is a long way potential off, full mobile focus would probably come first.
wapplew
Member
I think they will hit a couple mobile gold mines that so big, enough for them to keep making console after console.
Well, hemm... No.
What i Said is that it's increased a lot compared to last month. And that's true, is not a spin.
A spin would mean tryng to say those are good numbers. They aren't, those TR sales on 360 are atrocius, and not good even on XB1.
But, the 360 Version is increased a lot compared to last month. That's what i Said.
Source on Uplay percentage? Or is it just a theory? Keep in mind that pretty much and 3rd party seller had Uplay keys, not Steam.
Well, hemm... No.
What i Said is that it's increased a lot compared to last month. And that's true, is not a spin.
A spin would mean tryng to say those are good numbers. They aren't, those TR sales on 360 are atrocius, and not good even on XB1.
But, the 360 Version is increased a lot compared to last month. That's what i Said.
You did say "not bad" though
QuixoticNeutral
Member
My first suspect was Tales of Symphonia, which was exclusive to GameCube for its first few months on the market (and I know Tales is one of the bigger names in JRPGs, but it wasn't that well known in the west back then; comparisons to the Xenoblade brand in 2015 are probably fair). NPD reported 118k for it in July 2004, when it had been out for two weeks. I remember it was undershipped and supply-constrained on release, and one has to factor in the fact that there was a PS2 release hot on its heels, but even so, that Xenoblade X outpaced it on a platform with a smaller install base (also in its third year on the market) is an achievement worth noting. The Wii U may be selling poorly, but it's reaching a stable and engaged base that has been lapping up the first-party software in acceptable quantities.
Well, hemm... No.
What i Said is that it's increased a lot compared to last month. And that's true, is not a spin.
A spin would mean tryng to say those are good numbers. They aren't, those TR sales on 360 are atrocius, and not good even on XB1.
But, the 360 Version is increased a lot compared to last month. That's what i Said.
But you said that numbers are good, i mean not bad.
EDIT : beaten by Foxbeldin
NDP_Mulcair
Banned
The following data release is sourced from The NPD Group's U.S. Games Industry Sales (New Physical Sales Channel) report for December 2015.
All data disclosed to Neo GAF is fundamentally immaterial to the business of The NPD Group, Inc.
NPD's monthly point-of-sale data reports on U.S. Games Industry sales occurring from new physical purchases at retail which is the largest channel for games sales, but does not represent 100% of industry sales; it does not account for consumer purchases made via digital distribution, used game sales, subscriptions, mobiles, rentals, or social network games. NPD's Games Market Dynamics: U.S. is issued quarterly and is NPD's official estimate of the consumer spend on the industry and it does include estimate of the size of these other monetization methods.
The #1 best-selling title of the December 2015 NPD report was Activision Blizzard's "Call of Duty: Black Ops III."
I would like to share its relative sell-through for the past two months when compared to its predecessor.
Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare U.S. physical retail sell-through:
November 2014 NPD Report: 4.66 million (including bundles)
December 2014 NPD Report: 2.84 million (including bundles)
Call of Duty: Black Ops III U.S. physical retail sell-through:
November 2015 NPD Report: 4.89 million (including bundles)
December 2015 NPD Report: 3.44 million (including bundles)
Furthermore, Call of Duty: Black Ops III is also higher than its predecessor in both December and lifetime-to-date through 2015 when we look at individual SKU rankings excluding bundles.
More later. Time for work.
All data disclosed to Neo GAF is fundamentally immaterial to the business of The NPD Group, Inc.
NPD's monthly point-of-sale data reports on U.S. Games Industry sales occurring from new physical purchases at retail which is the largest channel for games sales, but does not represent 100% of industry sales; it does not account for consumer purchases made via digital distribution, used game sales, subscriptions, mobiles, rentals, or social network games. NPD's Games Market Dynamics: U.S. is issued quarterly and is NPD's official estimate of the consumer spend on the industry and it does include estimate of the size of these other monetization methods.
The #1 best-selling title of the December 2015 NPD report was Activision Blizzard's "Call of Duty: Black Ops III."
I would like to share its relative sell-through for the past two months when compared to its predecessor.
Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare U.S. physical retail sell-through:
November 2014 NPD Report: 4.66 million (including bundles)
December 2014 NPD Report: 2.84 million (including bundles)
Call of Duty: Black Ops III U.S. physical retail sell-through:
November 2015 NPD Report: 4.89 million (including bundles)
December 2015 NPD Report: 3.44 million (including bundles)
Furthermore, Call of Duty: Black Ops III is also higher than its predecessor in both December and lifetime-to-date through 2015 when we look at individual SKU rankings excluding bundles.
More later. Time for work.
CosmicQueso
Member
Mr. Mulcair is a scholar and a gentleman, but note his use of the term "immaterial" when offering the HW numbers provided.
Other data certainly is material, and NPD will defend its proprietary nature if necessary, as any company would.
So not really a blessing to discuss any and all numbers. (Correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Mulcair).
EDIT: Saying "Mr." primarily due to avatar and as a sign of cordiality, not as a presumption of gender identity based on occupation, etc. (for Rymuth)
The retail infrastructure required to provide the level of reporting NPD publishes doesn't exist in many parts of the world. Companies like Screen Digest, IDG and GfK can construct estimates for these territories, but detailed sales information like NPD constructs for the US, Canada, etc just does not exist. Trust me, there are many, many people in the industry that would love similar information they see for the US coming from the rest of the world, in particular places like Russia which has seen strong legitimate PC SW sales growth in recent years.
This is really uncalled for. A percentage increase is an increase. No one has claimed the TR sales numbers are "good" (certainly no one of any proven particular thought value at least). But the 1m number published certainly seems reasonable, and to say that to that poster isn't warranted imo.
"Esoteric"... I like that. Anyways, first party owns over 60 share on 3DS from the last time I looked at it (and the UK data published by MCV is in the same range), and only a couple of the major 3rd party publishers even make games on the platform now. Sure, there's the niche Japanese stuff and the 1st party stuff once in a while, and yes the platform still sells in significant numbers. It's just that it's kind of its own thing now, and it's not somewhere the majority of the industry is applying much mindshare to.
NDP_Mulcair
Banned
CosmicQueso
Member
Clearly you work in the industry, Mr. CosmicQueso.
Who me? No, man, no. I'm just a fan. Big fan. Love NPD. I gotta go...
That's an impressive YoY growth in december. I guess the PS4 bundle did some work.
Thank you for gracing us with your presence Mr. Mulcair!
So CoD doesn't show any signs of slowing down. Would it be possible to get numbers for The Nathan Drake Collection, bundled and stand-alone? Thanks, and if it's not possible, I understand.
How do you know it's a 'he'?
I'm kidding, of course, I still think it's a blessing to have the esteemed Muclair drop numbers for us (such as the COD comparisons), makes life a lot easier and I count that as a good thing.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
That's some Olympic-class reaching, right there.
Impressive growth trend for COD.
I thought it would be more flat YoY.
Really wonder how this bodes for Infinity Ward after their relative dud with Ghosts (which still sold well)
Imo Halo 5 was the trump card.
It helped XB1 claim October but momentum wasn't enough for the entire Holiday.
You're right though, barring Microsoft developing some disruptive add-on technology for XB1 a la Kinect, there's nothing they can do.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
Member
What happens when a perpetual spin meets an Olympic class reach?^^
Looks like Sony and MS both had good months (and years for that matter). Both consoles looked to have growth YOY. Software seems to be down in physical, but by such a small percentage that I imagine digital sales would have made up for the decrease. Here is to hoping that 2016 continues to show growth YOY.
There was a neat little graph a couple pages back showcasing the dramatic decrease in the number of published physical software over the last few years.
Clearly there's just less AAA games for consumers to spend Dollars on too.
ninjablade
Banned
no ltd for batman or bloodborne?
DriftingSpirit
Member
I want a Sony software LTD blowout like the Nintendo blowout.
Jesus christ at Black Ops 3 numbers!
Nearing 10m already on the States!
Call of Duty: Black Ops III U.S. physical retail sell-through:
November 2015 NPD Report: 4.89 million (including bundles)
December 2015 NPD Report: 3.44 million (including bundles)
Furthermore, Call of Duty: Black Ops III is also higher than its predecessor in both December and lifetime-to-date through 2015 when we look at individual SKU rankings excluding bundles
Nearing 10m already on the States!
Call of Duty: Black Ops III U.S. physical retail sell-through:
November 2015 NPD Report: 4.89 million (including bundles)
December 2015 NPD Report: 3.44 million (including bundles)
Furthermore, Call of Duty: Black Ops III is also higher than its predecessor in both December and lifetime-to-date through 2015 when we look at individual SKU rankings excluding bundles
sono
Gold Member
igordennis
Member
It can only go downhill from here.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Have you guys already discussed Tomb Raider?
With it not being in the Top 10 nor doing absolutely anything WW how is that 1M number feasible?
What am I missing?
With it not being in the Top 10 nor doing absolutely anything WW how is that 1M number feasible?
What am I missing?
Sammy Samusu
Member
Eek, not a single Nintendo game in the Xmas chart.