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BroHuffman said:
The fantasy land in which PS3 is the hardcore console despite the fact that sales of most hardcore games lead on the 360 and in which Microsoft is on Sony's "tales" and not the other way around.
NPD Sales Results for February 2011 [Update 4: PS3 Hardware, TONS Of Games]
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The fantasy land in which PS3 is the hardcore console despite the fact that sales of most hardcore games lead on the 360 and in which Microsoft is on Sony's "tales" and not the other way around.
Sho_Nuff82
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I think you guys need to check out the XBLA 2011 news and announcements thread if you don't think MS has anything coming out for hardcore gamers. If not, there are 3 threads just on the front page right now (Tribes Ascendance, Fez, Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet). MS is getting new games, they're just not spending as much to do it.
This is not true. Fable 3's first 2 months is greater than every PS3 exclusive in NA, ever, except God of War 3. Including MGS4 + bundles, Uncharted 2, and GT5.
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_October_2010 - 580k
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_November_2010 - 551k
MrNyarlathotep said:
This is not true. Fable 3's first 2 months is greater than every PS3 exclusive in NA, ever, except God of War 3. Including MGS4 + bundles, Uncharted 2, and GT5.
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_October_2010 - 580k
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_November_2010 - 551k
We never had gift cards in Canada (yes, I know Canada has a seperate NPD), but there have been amazing PS3 bundles on sale everywhere the past 2 months.OldJadedGamer said:
One bundle had the 320 GB along with 3 games, a movie, 2 DS3 controllers, the Bluray remote, and an HDMI cable all for the same price I bought my 160 GB 7 months ago. I'm not sure if Sony is pushing the deals, but you would have to be an idiot to pick up a PS3 these days without getting at least 2 free games.
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The biggest dissapointment of the month is Tactics Ogre. Seriously. I know it's a small, niche game, that's pretty sad 
. Oh and #1 PS2 > #1 PSP.
. Oh and #1 PS2 > #1 PSP.Arpharmd B
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REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Havn't you heard, Microsoft doesn't have any games this year, hasn't had any games at all for quite a few years. It's not like they released 4 Halo games, 3 Gears of War games, 2 Project Gotham racing titles, a slew of Rare titles, Alan Wake, Crackdown, 3 Forza titles, 2 Fable games... nope, MS has no exclusives and is trying desperately to catch up to the PS3 and capture the core gamer who already as you state buy more games on 360 than PS3.
Now all they care about is the kids and the elderly with Kinect. Thanks, FailureSoft.
Watchtower
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maeda said:
Yes in a way, but it was always kind of a thoughtless argument. However, I also don't think Kinect "proves" that since there are just as many "core" buyers buying Kinect as casuals. With Kinect you have a lot of 360 owners just upgrading. We don't know how many Wii casuals is picking up, but my personal guess is less than 15% on a monthly basis with the rest either being brand new gamers(both core and casual) and current 360 owners.
However I don't think Nintendo's long decline prediction was based on their audience not upgrading. I think it was based on last year's Wii trend and the fact that there's just more competition in the motion control world.
Same thing that happened to Sony. Anytime you have another company that puts out a new quality product aiming for the same market share that was once dominated by one manufacturer, one of two things happen: they grow the market share and expand it together or they take some away from the current leader. And almost always, even if they do grow it, some market share will be lost.
That's just the simple fact of that same consumer all of a sudden having a choice. Some are bound to pick the other guy.
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Last most on this as it is getting off topic. I'm not trying to say that Sony is "the" hardcore console. Only that their future seems more true to the "hardcore" gamer than the other consoles.
This came from others in this thread seeming enjoying the so called failure of KZ3 and Sony. I think Sony needed MS to beat them this gen, but the amount of Sony hate surprises me. Maybe I should put my money were my mouth is and actually buy a PS3 instead of always borrowing a friends.
Kinspiracy
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Tabz said:
Apparently you're unfamiliar with the meaning of the word "sometimes". I thought I emphasized it properly by placing it first in the sentence.
Kinspiracy
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Curufinwe said:
So it's not just better, it's also smarter for going multi-platform and maximizing sales.
Watchtower
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BroHuffman said:
Because Move is performing miserably and they don't have a good plan for the casual market leaving them with basically no choice but the concentrate on the hardcore market?
Yeah.....I don't think that was their actual plan. The PS3's price point was anti-casual from the get go, but that doesn't make it more hardcore, just more expensive.
BroHuffman said:
Hardcore games is what drove MS to this point. Kinect was neccessary, as was Move (not to mention Move options have actually "crept in" to more PS3 first party games than into Kinect, but that is because of the difference in controlls, ofc), but hardcore gamers are the main targets of both MS and Sony. Hardcore games are what made 360 so great in the first place. As of directions? We still got the same first party games to look for. GoW, Halo, Forza, Fable. Maybe a new Remedy game? These were always the big hardcore games.
Multiplatform-wise, 360 still enjoys almost all of the 3rd party support, it is as "hc" as it gets.
BruceLeeRoy
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Oh yeah that's right.OldJadedGamer said:
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maeda said:
Technology and more specifically, graphics matter?
Watchtower
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GeoramA said:
No, Kinect is the "excuse". I'll go ahead and assume lackluster retail to you means "less exclusives "core" games than Sony" but that's because they are focusing more on Kinect exclusives when it comes to those.
They have less core exclusives, no denying, but the few that are coming out are bound to be pretty huge, and in terms of retail sales and presence with Gears of War likely to outperform anything Sony's going to be putting out. Sony's certainly focusing more on "core" exclusives and less on Move but I think that also has a lot to say about their commitment to Move and their faith in it.
BruceLeeRoy
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How Fable 3 sold that much is still mind-boggling to me. Do that many people really have taste that horrendous? Course Big Momma 12 or whatever is the #2 movie in this country so I guess it makes senseSho_Nuff82 said:
Kinspiracy
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GeoramA said:
360 has a lackluster retail lineup? Skyrim, Bulletstorm, Mass Effect, Gears, Torchlight and so on and so forth. Multi-plats are part of the retail lineup.
BruceLeeRoy
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Haha.Gravijah said:
Nice Gravijah nice.
sixteen-bit
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Defending them is a bigger offenseGravijah said:
I NEED SCISSORS
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So are the people who said Battlefield 3 will bury COD serious or just crazy?
BruceLeeRoy
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In this unjust world!...NeverI NEED SCISSORS said:
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BroHuffman said:
I don't know what you were trying to say, I just know what you said, and that is that
BroHuffman said:
As for the future part, that's entirely a matter of taste. Microsoft already has plenty of exclusive core content for the remainder of the year across traditional games, Kinect games (or are you one of those people who think that Kinect automatically means "casual"?) and XBLA releases, with more probably to be announced. I'm willing to bet that the 360 continues outselling PS3 both in most multiplatform and most exclusive core titles.
Sony hate? Are you sure you're talking about NeoGAF? Check out the Sony lawsuits threads and gasp at the corporate cheerleading. Or read the Sony canceled games and layoffs thread and then compare it to the Rare layoffs discussion. Or hey, why not go back to pre-launch Move and Kinect threads?
Now, I haven't read through the whole discussion here, but I really haven't noticed a lot of Sony hate. Mostly it's just cold hard facts which may or may not hurt your feelings.
FINALFANTASYDOG
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OldJadedGamer said:
Umm.. isn't it just as logical to think the opposite? Publishers don't care if their game only sells 20k in one region (which still isn't true they want to improve their sales in all regions) if it sells 20 million worldwide.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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FINALFANTASYDOG said:
No way, man. BLOPS sold a good deal less than a million units in Japan, that's worse than some PSP software, total failure. MHP3 also a major failure.
I expect a huge onslaught of Kinect games from Microsoft at E3 (demos of previously announced games and new announcements), many of them to be released in Q4. Not banking on Kinect's success would be a huge mistake for three reasons:Arpharmd B said:
a) new game design paradigms have to be established and MS as a first party has to do this
b) it lets them stand out from third party publishers on their own platform (that's the huge mistake Sony is making - nothing is differentiating their games from 3rd party titles)
c) they might be potential system movers similar to how Kinects Sports/Dance Central are
If someone expects many non-Kinects announcements, he should stop expecting as that's not going to happen. The bigger question is if Microsoft can truely innovate in order to sustain(or ptentially increase) Kinect's momentum.
Kinspiracy
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GeoramA said:
Wouldn't know. I don't play the fanboy game. Both consoles have a great year ahead. Sony's struggling majorly in the US because of that one year headstart the 360 took, and to this point Sony hasn't given a lot of gamers any good reason to switch, which is kinda sad considering Microsoft gave gamers tons of reasons to want to (redrings etc).
Kinspiracy
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Curufinwe said:
Obviously their hope is that having Killzone as an exclusive makes the PS3 more attractive to gamers. It doesn't. So yeah, they'd have made more money off the game if it were multi-console. I'm definitely not going to judge Bulletstorm any differently simply because the developer was smart enough to offer it to as many people as possible.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Kinspiracy said:
This is someone's brain on drugs.
FINALFANTASYDOG
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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
You seem to be agreeing with me? Activison doesn't care that it only sells 200k in Japan because it sells so much worldwide (Europe and America in particular)
Random Other fact: Blops is the 2nd best selling western game(that is obviously western, rare games are special) in Japan.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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FINALFANTASYDOG said:
Yeah I was agreeing with you, I was just being sarcastic as well. Arguing that WW sales don't matter is one of the worst things I've read in these threads.
Infinite Justice
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Kinspiracy said:
They as in who? Guerilla?
Sony owns Guerilla so..
Watchtower
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REMEMBER CITADEL said:
I think the landscape is becoming pretty clear.
While certainly Kinect is eating up some of the MS "core" exclusives that could have come out instead, their choice is no doubt the right move and will benefit both casuals and core in the long run. It's becoming pretty evident just by looking at PS3 sales that no amount of exclusives this late in a generation is going to significantly increase sales. Their impact is minimal.
Microsoft could have elected to make Kinect a smaller role and made more "core" exclusives in 2011, but it's now becoming very clear that even an additional 7-10 exclusives spread throughout this year was not going to have the same impact on sales that Kinect is having. Kinect's likely permanently increased the average amount of monthly sales somewhere around 20% and no amount of exclusives was going to do that.
The fact is when you consider the entire traditional "core" user base between the 360, PS3, and Wii, it's quickly becoming eaten up for these price points. We're getting close to that total upper ceiling of 150,000-200,000 million users if you take out the budget-only buyers that always jump in when prices dip in the below $199-$100 range. In other words if there was no new casual market, I can't see either PS3 nor 360 pushing far above 60 million users world wide without dropping into the budget range since traditionally that audience maxed at around 200 million world wide users and that's at the very end of the generation. Post final price drops.
So the only way for Microsoft to get growth right now....was to go casual and go Kinect. That was the only way to expand. But if Kinect grows so does the "core" 360 user base over the next 2-3 years. Coupled with the fact that if Kinect can pull in some "core" games, it may actually steal customers, not just from the Wii, but the PS3 's current and future core base as well.
A AAA Kinect game that appeals to the "core" audience is a much bigger incentive for that budget $199 gamer to pick the cheap 360 versus the cheap PS3 than would just another Microsoft exclusive competitor to Motor Storm or God of War. Especially if there's no Move alternative to keep things even. Because that's actually truly something different.
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Watchtower said:
You can make a core exclusive game that appeals to people disinterested in PS3. There are a lot of underrepresented genres on the platform.