AmuroChan
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Well, no one can close them down except for themselves. Whatever money The Order loses is on Sony. RAD already got paid for developing the game.
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NPD Sales Results for February 2015 [Nintendo Numbers, Majora's, MH4, ~XB1]
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Well, no one can close them down except for themselves. Whatever money The Order loses is on Sony. RAD already got paid for developing the game.
I think that would have been a bigger deal for a title that wasn't so aimed at families and small kids who don't particularly care, or are using Off-TV anyway. Anyway, this being a Kirby game, I'd expect it to just truck along to some decent numbers after a loooong time.
This strong N3DS opening and the still strong uptake of the OG3DS (seemingly), I will be interested in seeing if Xenoblade moves a good number of units. It has a lot of "slow boil" hype much like Majora just not as long or as revered a series.
I don't know why they should. They had a blank chq from Sony and 3+ years and they make a six hour game with a kinda bad story and boring videogamey gameplay. But I'm not a fan of Sony exclusives, so I'd shut most them down. Demons souls was ace tho.
The Shogun
Banned
I think its entirely possible The Order does 1 million WW.
Not sure how much it can get over that though. No idea if that's enough to warrant a sequel or not. Only Sony / RAD know that at the moment.
Not sure how much it can get over that though. No idea if that's enough to warrant a sequel or not. Only Sony / RAD know that at the moment.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
True. It's a disappointment; though the game itself was nothing to write home about.
Personally, it lacked the Kirby charm that the games usually have. Furthermore, I found it tedious as I hardly looked at the television screen and was mostly glued to the gamepad - I didn't like that.
Kirby performs best in Japan and they didn't seems to like it either so eh, I'm hoping HAL to do better for Kirby's sake
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Still cant believe how many LOZ: MM sold on 3DS.
Pity the worst Zelda game did such business.
Pity the worst Zelda game did such business.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Dark Souls 1 & 2 were both multi-million sellers so let's not mistakenly think that Souls games are still really niche games. Bloodborn definitely has the potential to be a big hit, even just in March.
its still over 600k
ethomaz
Banned
Sony reached a gap of close 1m last year before holidays... I expect it to be bigger this year (the gap for Feb is bigger for example) with more key titles launching.
Even if MS cuts 600k in holidays Sony will be comfortable.
Every mid-cycle Nintendo handheld upgrade has had exclusive games. GBC did, DSi did and n3DS will.
I wouldn't get too wrapped up in game compatibility to define anything though. PS2 could also play games PS2 Slim couldn't. Vita can play games PS TV can't as well. Wii mini can't play sone games Wii can. That doesn't make them each distinct platforms though.
True. It's a disappointment; though the game itself was nothing to write home about.
Personally, it lacked the Kirby charm that the games usually have. Furthermore, I found it tedious as I hardly looked at the television screen and was mostly glued to the gamepad - I didn't like that.
Kirby performs best in Japan and they didn't seems to like it either so eh, I'm hoping HAL to do better for Kirby's sake
The title, much like Canvas, was never going to sell gangbuster and on the WiiU its appeal, even in Japan where Kirby (see: Triple Deluxe and Fighters) is strong, is gimped.
HAL did fine with Deluxe, this more than anything felt like a test title. A lot of love poured into it, mind, but a test title for the controls and some ideas someone had that they wanted to throw out on the WiiU where games were needed. There's also a point of saturation that Kirby would start seeing if they shoveled it off onto the 3DS.
Dark Souls 1 released in 2011 though when the userbases of both the PS3 and 360 were huge. Think it's a bit different since it's an exclusive on a still pretty young console.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
This isn't true, can't believe the amount of hate being spewed.
RAD is actually a very small team (smaller than Sucker Punch, for instance, which already was a small-ish Sony team), and their previous experience was only working on handheld titles. Yet they came out and released one of the first authentic showpieces for next-gen hardware. They took on an immense endeavor, and in some ways they came up short, but in other ways blew away a lot of expectations for such a small team.
If anything, those that had problems with The Order, but were still optimistic for the series going in, should be thankful that it sold as well as it did and also had harsh feedback -- it means that the sequel, which is likely greenlit, will be vastly improved and may turn into the next big franchise for Sony.
ArchedThunder
Banned
If the PS4 drops to 299 the gap will be massive.
OuterLimits
Member
Nice win by the 3DS and Zelda. Good numbers for PS4. Shame The Order didn't do better. I imagine with the negative press it got, it won't be selling much in the future unless it has a sharp price drop.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
How do you know what RAD's deal with Sony was? It's quite possible that RAD was counting on large royalties off of game sales. Also remember that The Order was delayed so they could have already been bleeding money for a few months.
In any case, it's highly unlikely that they got or are getting enough money from The Order to fund another game by themselves. They're going to need a publisher and if Sony decides that they don't want an Order sequel, they could be in big trouble.
does anyone really think sony had higher expectations of a game that had very minimum gameplay, no multiplayer or replay value? i am sure they saw this as an extended tech demo released at full price to get as much money as possible to fund the sequel with the engine and assets already in place so they can make it bigger and better. if there are massive layoffs or the sequel is not greenlit then i will agree that sony had high expectations and the sales were a disappointment.
i personally see this as mgs ground zeroes demo released at full price. at some point sony stepped in and said "get the game out and focus on the sequel" and it shows in the way the game ends. i am sure the sequel will have multiplayer too
i personally see this as mgs ground zeroes demo released at full price. at some point sony stepped in and said "get the game out and focus on the sequel" and it shows in the way the game ends. i am sure the sequel will have multiplayer too
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
You know what I love most about this thread.
Both Nintendo and MS put out their own PR statements, but Sony doesn't even bother.
Its like Sony knows they're ballin!
Both Nintendo and MS put out their own PR statements, but Sony doesn't even bother.
Its like Sony knows they're ballin!
HORRORSHØW
Member
where can i order?
The Shogun
Banned
I think you are a little over optimistic about this performance. Its really not a very strong showing at all.
Now that doesn't mean a sequel isn't coming but these sales combined with reviews and word of mouth is certainly not a big success.
ethomaz
Banned
Sony PR.
“Demand for PlayStation 4 remains incredibly strong in the U.S. as it was #1 in hardware and software sales in February according to the latest NPD report. PS4 remains the cumulative leader in hardware sales with more than 20.2 million units sold to consumers worldwide demonstrating the fastest growth in PlayStation hardware history.”
Edit - People give more attention to Nintendo due the numbers and MS because the funny way.
No definitely not. The PS Family stuff was laughed at because Sony would combine across gen and across handheld and console to get a bigger number.
"The Playstation Family sold the most!"***
*** Family includes the PS2, PS2 Slim, Playstation 3, Playstation Portable, PSP GO, PSP 3000 and PSP E-1000
It included not just their handhelds or consoles, but EVERY piece of hardware they sold all combined together defying reason in order to achieve #1.
On the other hand NPD has always considered variations in a handheld/console to be the same line. The PS2 Slim is combined with PS2 sales because they are clearly the same console despite small differences. The DS is included with the DSi sales because they are clearly the same console despite small differences. The 3DS is counted with the N3DS because they are clearly the same console despite small differences. And the eventual Slimmer PS4 and Xbox consoles will of course be included with their launch predecessors because they will clearly be the same console despite small differences
The only reason you have people ignoring this extremely obvious and completely consistent (for 10+ years) constant is because their favorite silicon filled box didn't win the month, and they wish it were otherwise.
Oddvintagechap
Member
Eh I guess. It's a blurred line is what I mean. I seriously think Nintendo is following Apples hardware ways.
I know drivv club was made by a core of 40ish devs which is what I consider small; I thought TO was more like a 120+ team plus huge marketing spend, might be wrong with the order numbers tho.
And its not hate, just saying that maybe dumping more money there might be a bad idea. I don't know why the order 1887 would be any better unless they gut the creative team.
Anything within a million really aint worth crowing about honestly. That said, Sony has to be nothing but over the moon happy with their position. Coming out at 399 with X1 coming in higher was basically like a day 1 price drop for them. The momentum gained from that alone was and will remain tremendous throughout this gen.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
I never thought of Canvas as an experiment title, but you may be right.
Kirby has only appeared once since the 3DS release, Deluxe, excluding downloadable titles, so I don't think another 3DS title would of hurt its chances. Nonetheless, Wii U was hurting so I'm sure the title was green-light shortly after the Wii U launch as you point out.
I was just disappointed, I like Kirby so much
Does anyone have the numbers for Kirby: Triple Deluxe fo NOA?
That's not how it works.
But compared to last gen when they were behind 15 million? It's great achievement.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I never said it was a "big success", but it's also nowhere near a failure destined to doom the studio and franchise forever, and the sales were quite good when you view them in context.
Sony has stuck with IPs that have sold much worse on their first, second, third, and more outings.
It will be better because:
1) They won't be trying to develop a next-gen engine from scratch when their previous experience was with sub-PS2 level hardware.
2) They can focus development energies on taking critical feedback and improving the game.
I think the team is immensely talented and I don't expect them to simply release the same exact game as 1886. With them being able to focus on design, the improvements should be dramatic just like what has happened to many other new IPs.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Unless you're talking about a launch game or a game that is so popular that it could conceivably sell to a huge percentage of total users (like a new Mario Kart), userbase doesn't matter that much. Yes, systems that have been out for a while have much larger userbases but there's also drastically more competition (not only are you competing against more new games but you're also competing against the system's entire backlog). It's the same reason why more and more developers are going to be stopping PS3/360 ports as time goes on - although tons of people own PS3 & 360s, fewer and fewer of them are buying new games.
I don't think Sony will care if they lose US
If they cared, they would not still be at $400
No, they are crushing the world, or the universe for that matter not like there is any life out there anyway
(jk, I know aliens exist, and they play ps4 too)
Now if Sony maintains steady numbers through the holidays, with Uncharted possibly coming out around e3 next year? Donezo
Chobel
Member
They've been working on the Order for 5 years I think, no way it's a small budget.
gamechanger87
Member
Five years of dev time plus a massive marketing campaign does not equal a small budget.
ArchedThunder
Banned
The Order was made by a team of about 80.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
I'm interested to hear what these series are that have sold much worse than The Order and had similarly bad review scores.
It's really hard to come back from negative critical response to your series' first game. Red Steel is a great example. First game sold well but was critically panned. The sequel was drastically better but by that point, nobody cared and it bombed horribly.
AmuroChan
Member
So you're saying Sony can close down RAD, a studio they don't own?
shinobi602
Member
Lol, they're not going anywhere.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Of course not. However, if RAD is low on funds (or in debt) after having made The Order, aren't receiving the royalties they were expecting, and have trouble getting a publisher to fund them for their next game, that would result in them shutting down.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
From last gen alone, here's a few titles that were greenlit sequels and sold worse than The Order on their first outing
- Resistance
- MotorStorm
- LittleBigPlanet
- Uncharted 1
- InFamous
- Heavy Rain (if you consider Beyond a "sequel")
Pretty much every major new IP Sony released last gen with the exception of TLOU.
I don't think it'll be difficult for The Order to come back and win the critics hearts, tbh. The core in the game is strong, they just need to expand and get the gameplay mix right. With the technical issues resolved, I think they'll come out swinging for the sequel and surprise a lot of folks. RAD is insanely talented.
I'm saying the amount a developer gets paid from a publisher often depends on the product's sales and critical reception.
Thanks for making this Vinny.
Majora's did fantastically.
The Order is a bit higher than I expected even though I think it's not an amazing result in isolation.
I think that's a good result for Evolve given what it is.
Warner continues to hit it out of the park given this is Dying Light month two. The only game they even seem to have that's wuestionable is Mad Max.
I continue to be incredibly impressed by XenoVerse.
That's probably about as good as you could ever expect for Monster Hunter.
Impressive month all around.
Majora's did fantastically.
The Order is a bit higher than I expected even though I think it's not an amazing result in isolation.
I think that's a good result for Evolve given what it is.
Warner continues to hit it out of the park given this is Dying Light month two. The only game they even seem to have that's wuestionable is Mad Max.
I continue to be incredibly impressed by XenoVerse.
That's probably about as good as you could ever expect for Monster Hunter.
Impressive month all around.