illmatic22
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So a twitter account by the name of @imdb_india is having one hell of a meltdown. I wonder if tim dog knows him/her.
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NPD Sales Results for January 2014 [Up3: PS4/XB1 #1/#2 best selling; Poke/SM3DW/ALBW]
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I've had a hypothesis for a while that 39.99 would be a magic price point to really increase software sales for but I don't see it ever taking off outside of a few games that were doomed to obscurity anyway.
Neuromancer
Member
Can someone explain to me the doom and gloom over last gen numbers?
You missed the market dying lol
Yep that's what I'm thinking too.
There is absolutely nothing out there right now in terms of AAA games that feels fresh. This is why I haven't bought a PS4 yet (but absolutely will when the software is there) and it's also why I'm not buying any other AAA game for the last-gen systems I still have right now except for the odd indie game. I'm caught between the generations if you will.
Luckily, Dark Souls 2 is just around the corner...
gundamkyoukai
Member
I agree there should be room for $30 and $40 games and i hoping that DD helps with that .
If remember right Sony try it with sly 4 not to certain on how that went and Dragon's Crown look like it did well.
84K would be very bad. But what about Wii and Vita? That means 3DS might be 60-70K which is getting close to life support. ~1M in December to ~0.06M in January?
I've been wary of this theory that smartphone gaming has been having such an effect. I see the possibility but we've had very limited data points. Plus there's been mistakes. If Nintendo didn't make stupid mistakes and had a $149 handheld that had come down to $99 maybe things would be a lot better for the handheld. Likewise if they just made a simple Nintendogs 2 to directly target that audience. And likewise going for a 3D gimmick that makes peoples eyes hurt(same mistake as the Virtual Boy). But this is a bit too much.
Similar with the Wii U. Logically they've done enough to recover to some extent(wider game library over a year, price cut, Mario 3DS selling well, no competition in the price bracket), at least with their core audience. But no, this is a disaster.
And now the other last gen(PS3/360) completely falls off a cliff. But one of the next gen consoles also has a very weak month. Yes it's doing better than Xbox but Xbox was a new console with no reputation. Yes it's doing better than 360 but 360 was coming from an Xbox second best reputation. Yes MS made mistakes but ouch. And in the short term it's likely to get worse. Titanfall might give a boost but consider, if Sony never had shortages who knows, they might have outsold MS 3:1. There might be a fundamental weakness in the platform.
PS4 is the only hope but with the pent up demand of a 7 year cycle there is a clear possibility of struggles coming up.
Nightengale
Member
Not yet.
Japan Studio and multiplatform ports will likely still work on.Vita stuff.
If they had to drop the Xbox One like that I would be shocked if MS were to announce another console.
Yep. I mean where do one draw the line right? UC is around 20-25mil...and GTA is insanely more expensive than that. I personally view games like SLY to be mid budget games but even then it's based on my personal opinion on what a mid-budget game is. Small vs big budget is much simpler
To stock holder pressure right now to do that. If the Xbone fails the division will be sold off in pieces. I can only imagine the pressure on the new CEO come next earnings report when the entertainment division is in the red big time with poor sales.
Japanmanx3
Member
Links or screencaps please...and who is Tim Dog? And Creamsugar?
theprodigy
Member
sörine;100749881 said:
360's pathetic 48k or so probably isn't enough to pass Wii this month
....right?
boredandlazy
Member
Wow. I wish I didn't read that.
What's going on?
boredandlazy
Member
fastford58
Member
I'm still sticking to my prediction that both x1 and PS4 were heavily front loaded at launch and will have abysmal sales from mid to late spring through until September AAA season.
X1 is already speeding towards the brick wall...PS4 will hit later, but hit it it will. Probably mid May or so.
X1 is already speeding towards the brick wall...PS4 will hit later, but hit it it will. Probably mid May or so.
Is IMDB India even a thing?
That twitter doesn't resemble any official account if not they got one heck of a delusional staff there.
MetalGuardian
Banned
As someone who only recently started poking around NPD threads within the past couple months, I still feel like I have zero frame of reference for judging how good or bad the numbers are any given month.
How many units need to be sold each month for both hardware and software for a product to be considered "successful"? What number do you all base your benchmarks on in order to determine weather a system or game had a good month?
How many units need to be sold each month for both hardware and software for a product to be considered "successful"? What number do you all base your benchmarks on in order to determine weather a system or game had a good month?
alexandros
Banned
I agree. Core console gamers rushed out to buy shiny new hardware but I believe the general public just doesn't care.
yep it's important to compare these things within context. I believe there's an issue of 5 weeks vs 4 weeks too here if I'm not mistaken.
This year the software line ups are looking solid starting this month onward. I bet destiny, WD, and DriveClub etc are also going to hit the market well before Fall this year too. Coming months should be much better.
dragonbane
Member
Yeah and art will be outsourced a lot this gen. So I guess budgets might remain steady or increase at a very slow pace. At least for companies that know how to budget like Sony.
Petrae
Member
My word. Fanboyism can kill brain cells.
Some dude is fishing for attention..trying to pull a tim dog.
I'm trying to get you to see that these overestimates are working in your favor. The projected sales are what makes development possible. If the publishers listen to you and cut all the estimates down to rational levels, the development costs become impossible to justify and some of the games don't get greenlit in the first place.
So what's more likely? That there's nobody at Ubisoft or EA who knows how to read a sales chart? Or that they lie about sales potential -- to themselves and their investors -- in order to get the games made at all?
gundamkyoukai
Member
The general public were never the target for these system not in the first year at this price .
It is looking that way right now. The thing is with a extra 3 year wait on the generation I thought there would be more pent up demand from core gamers to carry the next gen much longer. We are at a point where in matter of maybe less than a month 2 of the next gen systems be under 100k sales.
I don't get it either. After 7-8 years, it's expected that people will be sick of them by now. And those who haven't got one yet, probably not gonna get one until there's a decent price drop. As for current gen, PS4 is sold out everywhere so those who can't find it is not necessarily going to conk out and buy Xbone. They'll wait until they can get PS4. Current-gen game sales are still in its infancy atm because limited players mean limited amount of people buying.
But I suppose doing this is more fun:
pieatorium
Member
Full price upport of a year old game that didn't set the us on fire in the first place.
zenosparadox
Member
I lose faith in the human race knowing people like this exist and can vote. It hurts.
fastford58
Member
Creamsugar is an NPD leaker.
Tim Dog is a salty X1 fanboy of nearly misterxmedia calibre. Nad incase you don't know...misterxmedia is just about the most batshit crazy Xbox fan there is.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
I don't see it that way. Even the inferior Xbone is selling at a record pace. The WiiU was a crap console that never should have been released. Last generation has lasted too long and is quickly dying out. Personally I'm giddy with all the great games that will release in the next couple of years. The industry seems to be shedding some of its AAA pretentions and more games are being made. If the PS4 wasn't selling out I'd agree with you, though.
I'm sure there's a bollywood movie every week.
Clockwork5
Member
Those of you who preach the death of the industry because the yoy numbers are down need to take a deep breath.
Every previous console launch sales record was destroyed two months prior...twice.
Every previous console launch sales record was destroyed two months prior...twice.
Can I file a medical claim for braincells lost? These tweets are so delusional
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
The US is around 25-30% of WW usually.
I think that is all on the 59.99 dollar price point for a 1 year old up port. If it was budget priced 39.99 it would of sold much better. I want the game but not paying 59.99 for it.
so what went wrong?
See Sony has played this extremely smart here. They knew and understood that the core gamers are the target audience for home console sales in it's first year or so they put all their attention to that. With time they can use services, peripherals etc to expand on that market.
And I disagree about these consoles being front loaded. At least in the case of PS4 I see no reason to believe that at this point. it has sold incredibly well so far
SwiftDeath
Member
numbers are for 5 days of tracking so hard to say just yet
Feb numbers will be far more telling
Well so far the Wii U has been remarkably consistent as a benchmark for "abysmal." So using Wii U sales as a measure of abysmality, the XboxOne sold 2.86 Wii Us this month, which for a brand new console is probably not a good sign.
Japanmanx3
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Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Ugh, I hate that Digital sales aren't tracked because from here on out retail sales are always going to decrease and not knowing digital sales paints a very one sided picture that the market is declining.
Just look at PC. Retail sales are abysmal, but if you track player counts for games like BF4, PC is usually not far from the top. So I don't think a decline in retail sales, especially compared to a month last year that actually had a new title released on PS360 (DmC) to no "new" title this past month, is indicative of anything until we know how much digital sales make up. I mean if Nintendo can sell nearly a 100,000 digital copies of Fire Emblem (on a system with no account system), I think it is fair to say other titles can do similar or better numbers on platforms that are a little more digital friendly.
But since there are no numbers, people will just continue to believe the market is in a decline, despite having two of the most successful console launches ever, both of which offer every game released digitally.
Just look at PC. Retail sales are abysmal, but if you track player counts for games like BF4, PC is usually not far from the top. So I don't think a decline in retail sales, especially compared to a month last year that actually had a new title released on PS360 (DmC) to no "new" title this past month, is indicative of anything until we know how much digital sales make up. I mean if Nintendo can sell nearly a 100,000 digital copies of Fire Emblem (on a system with no account system), I think it is fair to say other titles can do similar or better numbers on platforms that are a little more digital friendly.
But since there are no numbers, people will just continue to believe the market is in a decline, despite having two of the most successful console launches ever, both of which offer every game released digitally.
Said by Sony so I'm sure 'the other platforms' doesn't include their own platform, aka vita.
Not that matter much though.
SwiftDeath
Member
lol at least from this gen we'll be able to takeaway mattricks as a form of microtransactions and WiiU's as a unit of measurement
Drive by shit posts. When talking from a tech point, there is a legit reason to talk about Next Gen as PS4/Xbone as next gen, but for sales, it's such a cop out.