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NPD Sales Results for January 2014 [Up3: PS4/XB1 #1/#2 best selling; Poke/SM3DW/ALBW]
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No, wrong. If one product dominates its because the customers decided it was the best product to buy. It out-competed the other two products. This is how capitalism works, for better or for worse.
Aquamarine
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John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
So few people want to have legitimate debate/conversation that in 52 pages, its super overwhelming to find someone to engage with....
I mean, are people really saying MS should pack up and go home when they are per unit moving more software? Identify a market and target it, let's try not to be so extreme. See big pictures, leverage opportunity when it can be indetified and then lay forth rational for reccomendations.
Everything is kind of poop right now but let's look at all realities at once
I mean, are people really saying MS should pack up and go home when they are per unit moving more software? Identify a market and target it, let's try not to be so extreme. See big pictures, leverage opportunity when it can be indetified and then lay forth rational for reccomendations.
Everything is kind of poop right now but let's look at all realities at once
theprodigy
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so:
Jan 2013-145k (3DS)+35k (Vita)+70k (DS)+10k (PSP)=260k
260k*.59=153.4k
now I don't know
edit: wait did the DS do anything back then?
ah DS did 70k (!), hold on
(also throwing in PSP for the lols)
With the xbone sales as they are I can see Microsoft trying EVERYTHING to make the brand xbone exclusive it the first one is successful.
i don't think the xbox division is going anywhere with ballmer and gates involved. it's probably the noise from investors becoming louder over the last few years that makes people think microsoft quitting the game/spinning xbox off into its own thing/selling xbox is a thing that will happen in the next couple of years.
I see the prevailing theme is that everyone is doomed. Can't say as I see that myself.
I think I'm glad there are no Vita numbers this month.
Blimey. 3DS definitely seems to have peaked last year.
I think I'm glad there are no Vita numbers this month.
No it isn't.
Aquamarine
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Yeah DS did like 66K in January 13 and PSP did like 10K.
DS and PSP are dead now, though...
Do we have a tie ratio for PS4 to compare?
cartoon_soldier
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As an XB1 owner, there is no positive way to spin the number for MS. Whoever at MS thought people will pay 499$ + Tax for a console was out of their fucking mind. The system is not moving with being readily available now.
They really did not learn anything from Sony's PS3 launch it seems. You can't price yourself out of your market, especially with weaker hardware.
XB1 should price drop of 399$ and they might be able to compete with Sony in NA.
They really did not learn anything from Sony's PS3 launch it seems. You can't price yourself out of your market, especially with weaker hardware.
XB1 should price drop of 399$ and they might be able to compete with Sony in NA.
this is a little too easy, dave.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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So SMB3D World sales, that's good, right? Is it indicating it may have long legs?
It doesn't hurt really all of them though mostly just Nintendo and Ubisoft.
Theres a list of every game that sold over 1 million units on the Wii that gets posted to prove that the Wii audience did buy tons of games. Theres like 50 games on the list and 40 or so were published or co published by Nintendo. The remainder is mostly music and party games like Just Dance.
Despite selling far more units than its competitors, most 3rd parties had already given up trying to sell anything to that audience.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
No. The "ideal situation" is for consumers to have multiple appealing products. That has nothing to do with competition. Altavista had total dominance over the search-market. Competition spawned Google. Google now dominates. Competition spawns several competitiors who try to find their niche in the market. Noone has been able to dethrone them yet but they keep on trying. Competition keeps the market fresh with new alternatives. They who don't manage to carve out a niche fails and dies out. New competition arise when they see markets or if they can see a new way of doing things.
It's the fault of Microsoft and Nintendo to not being able to create worthy competition. It isn't the fault of the consumers and Sony for wanting the same thing. Sony picked the right market. A market for a certain type of consumer. That consumer is happy today. Because competition in the 360/PS3-era spawned the PS4.
The issue isn't whether or not all the consoles sell the same, it's whether or not Sony even feels pressure to compete because the other two consoles are selling so badly. The PS2 generation resulted in 599 US dollars; it's doubtful they would make that same mistake again, but de facto monopolies rarely lead to good things for the consumer.
This is a sidebar to the bigger issue facing the industry though, which is a potentially massive contraction.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Yup. Xbox will stay around. There are good bunch of articles about it (like a nice one on arstechnica). Knowing what I know, MS would have to kill xbox and maybe sell the branding if it came to that. There's no reasonable way of spinning it off considering the OS is basically Windows and a lot of the services on it are Microsoft products. Xbox is pretty much the company's only cool consumer product, and now people are suggesting work devices/software based on what they use at home, Microsoft NEEDS to be in consumer products. Lots of the investors making that noise are just focused on the short term profits, and couldn't care less. Xbox is also a fairly large division, and laying off thousands of employees (considered the company just bought Nokia and their tens of thousands of employees I doubt they have tons of open positions everywhere) would be terrible press. It isn't happening in the near term for sure. 10 years down the line, sure anything can happen.
Aquamarine
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I think tie ratio for PS4 in NPD is 2.11....is that right?
GoofsterStud
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No way.
Microsoft paid bank for Titanfall, is paying a lot of the advertising to push it as a system seller for them. If it flops they still make money this way. They are RISK FREE.
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Embrace the pain, brother.
theprodigy
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No. If one product dominates it does not mean that there is no competition. It usually means that the product is more appealing in some way and is therefore winning out. That's how it is supposed to work. If the xbox one and Wii U did not exist, THEN there would be no competition.
pieatorium
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Well actually the ps2 generation led to the ps3, 360 and Wii. The competition was renewed in the next gen. 599 did not fly.
Grrr.
*sniffle*
Doesn't even hurt. Liquor has a tremendous numbing effect at half past eight in the morning.
I'd guess that's extremely unlikely. Probably closer to 15k.
Oh, wait, it does still hurt. Huh.
So let me extrapolate that to an extreme example. The Wii U continues to steadily sell like shit, but Nintendo finds a way to create software that targets the small user base, allowing for successful software results anyway.
So too, MS should continue to push to the gamers with games that the brand has become synonymous with, in order to carve out a profitable "niche"?
Congrats to PS4. The most powerful console is deserved for this sales.
For Microsoft, they need think about how to improve the sales. The damages already made by the price, weaker hardware, worse version games. Even hardcore Xbox fans will be difficult to justify their purchase. 499USD = worse experience? No way...
It is not an easy task. If they drop the price soon, then all earlier adopters will be pissed. But if they don't do anything on the price, the situation will be getting worse and worse although it is safe to say Xbox One will be the 2nd best selling console in the new gen.
And if the situation continues, those investors will have more reasons to force MS to kill Xbox business.
Don Mattrick, this guy brought the success of Xbox 360, but then he destroyed Xbox One. The all-in-one strategy obviously is wrong as hell.
For Microsoft, they need think about how to improve the sales. The damages already made by the price, weaker hardware, worse version games. Even hardcore Xbox fans will be difficult to justify their purchase. 499USD = worse experience? No way...
It is not an easy task. If they drop the price soon, then all earlier adopters will be pissed. But if they don't do anything on the price, the situation will be getting worse and worse although it is safe to say Xbox One will be the 2nd best selling console in the new gen.
And if the situation continues, those investors will have more reasons to force MS to kill Xbox business.
Don Mattrick, this guy brought the success of Xbox 360, but then he destroyed Xbox One. The all-in-one strategy obviously is wrong as hell.
But the Wii didn't really expand the market, it just attracted all the smartphone gamers for a few years then cratered. It did almost nothing for 3rd party software. It was an abberation, and we can see that with the Wii U where Nintendo went back to GC levels of decline.
Edit: I fully endorse all these "no consumer bailout" and "let the weakest, most poorly value-propositioned products die" comments to. Those people get it. This is our hobby, so separate yourself from your passion and ask if some of these horrific trends in the industry shouldn't just be allowed to die from consumer apathy. They should. That's how healthy economies work. I'm not going to run out and buy three X1s and 6 Wii Us just to do some sort of lunatic civic duty.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Fair.
2.7 vs 2.1.
Anihawk: good points. A matter of pride and commitment.
Corporate vision remains relatively intact these last couple transitions, and xbox serves as their best owned-device to bring that agenda to broad based consumers living rooms. Nothing will change on that front despite upfront loses till broad stroke strategy changes, and it hasn't. No immediate risk. No other device MS produces has the scale to bring MS owned content and distribution channels to consumer markets than xbox right now.
Unless they make a corp decision to reallocate toward b2b, I dont see much shift for now
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If that is correct, then 3DS has dropped 11k from last January? Doesn't look too dramatic?
edit: I mean, it's obviously not good. But a lot better than the combined 84k figure of 3DS/Vita that Shinra came up with earlier.
The TV stuff is clearly a failure, they were so sure and adamant that talking to your television would be the killer app, its why they included Kinect in the first place, actual Kinect games are secondary.
Many people knew this months ago, TV is losing significance in the average family, not because TV sucks or TV is bad, but because we prefer to have our own personalized electronics, so your uncle can watch his Game of Thrones, your little sister can watch Sons of Anarchy, and mom can play her Farmville on her own phone or tablet.
The entire concept of "all in one entertainment center" is flawed, if this were the 1960 when the TV was the center stage of the living room in your average american family, then yes it might have worked.
The only thing on TV that is demanding high rates is live broadcasting, aka sports. Everything else is losing significance, and contracts are not picked up or picked up for a fraction of what they cost before. The whole thing is a deck of cards crumbling on to itself - and here is Microsoft actually banking on "TV".
/rant.
Many people knew this months ago, TV is losing significance in the average family, not because TV sucks or TV is bad, but because we prefer to have our own personalized electronics, so your uncle can watch his Game of Thrones, your little sister can watch Sons of Anarchy, and mom can play her Farmville on her own phone or tablet.
The entire concept of "all in one entertainment center" is flawed, if this were the 1960 when the TV was the center stage of the living room in your average american family, then yes it might have worked.
The only thing on TV that is demanding high rates is live broadcasting, aka sports. Everything else is losing significance, and contracts are not picked up or picked up for a fraction of what they cost before. The whole thing is a deck of cards crumbling on to itself - and here is Microsoft actually banking on "TV".
/rant.
Except that if sales are stifled harshly, or it flops, it could ruin the chances for a successful new franchise (and additional source of revenue).
if it helps there's at least +1 in february since i bought one as a birthday gift.
so there. i'm responsible for 0.0000125% of all vita purchases in the united states.
travisbickle
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Development costs for the PS3 going totally out of control resulted in 599 US dollars. Sony would have sold a $399 PS3 if they could afford to.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
The PS2/Xbox/GameCube-competition created the PS3/360/Wii-compeition that in turn created the PS4/Xbone/WiiU-competition that in turn will create the PS5/Xbtwo/WiiUtoo-competition. If Sony hasn't learned from their competitors and try to stay competitive we'll have something that isn't good. But Sony is hurting. They need their console business to do really well. They want to be the number one console. They aren't going to let Microsoft or Nintendo have the upper hand. They'll stay competitive. And with Amazon, Apple, Samsung and Google on their way into the market they can't afford to not be competitive. That's competition.
Dragon1893
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Damn, 53 page overnight.
So even in the US MS is getting its ass kicked.
So even in the US MS is getting its ass kicked.
Aquamarine
Member
Aha! I did do it right!
2.71 XB1 vs. 2.11 PS4.
Think numbers are adjusted for January 13's 5 weeks. Or is it? Damn it I'm tired
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Jan 2013-140k (3DS)+35k (Vita) + 66K (DS) + 10K (PSP) = 251K
4/5 for 5 Week Jan 2013 = 200.8K
200.8K *0.59 = 118.472K
Jan 2014 = 3DS + PSV = 118.472K
93.472K < 3DS < 118.472K
0 < PSV < 25K
4/5 for 5 Week Jan 2013 = 200.8K
200.8K *0.59 = 118.472K
Jan 2014 = 3DS + PSV = 118.472K
93.472K < 3DS < 118.472K
0 < PSV < 25K
You don't have to stay up Aqua if you're tired... =( Thanks for the info so far though. I'm assuming 2013 Jan was the 5 week month and not this year's? My calculations are based on that.Aquamarine said:
As I said in another post, we are not going to the "Arrogant Sony" of 05-06 again soon, if ever. The company as a whole is a dire situation from which it may not recover even with the PS4's success.
vagabondarts
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I hope Sony doesn't kill off the Vita cause I just ordered one. (TxK pushed me over the edge).
Also will be great for 'Playstation Now'.
Also will be great for 'Playstation Now'.
Well, that may have seem like a good deal when they didn't know how well it would perform, but now that it looks like it could have been the new COD for this generation, they're probably regretting the deal they made. You can't be COD if you're not everywhere, that's why MS never managed to buy more than timed dlc exclusives.
Let's hope for them PS4 owners won't remember the douche move when they release Titanfall 2
theprodigy
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well actually since I saw January 2013 3DS=140k elsewhere and DS=66k via Aquamarine:
new total for 2013 is 251k
251k*.8 (4/5 week adjustment)*.59=118.5k
93.5k<3DS<118.5k and Vita<25k
the consoles +14% comment implies that does factor in the extra week (it's actually down from last year otherwise)
new total for 2013 is 251k
251k*.8 (4/5 week adjustment)*.59=118.5k
93.5k<3DS<118.5k and Vita<25k
the consoles +14% comment implies that does factor in the extra week (it's actually down from last year otherwise)
That's a gross misinterpretation of reality, and I'd highly recommend doing some more critical analysis before we continue to engage in conversation.
Start here; in 2006 there were no smartphone gamers.
Zombie James
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speculawyer
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But look at this way. It is not like publishers are going to bail on the xbone like they bailed on the Wii. The xbone is very similar to the PS4 and the PC as far as development goes, so there is little reason not to make an xbone version of a title that you are making for PS4 and/or PC.
However, they may not optimize the xbone version as well.
GoofsterStud
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I guess. I really think this is going to be one of those hyped one hit wonders. That sells based on the marketing campaign and it's pushed as the game to own on Xbox One. I think that they will get more sales this way.
I don't know, Nintendo and Ubisoft are the only two I thought really capitilised on the Wii's dominance the Activision's and EA's with their COD's and Fifa's would probably feel nothing of value being lost with the WiiU tanking.