backbreaker65
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Why is the PS4 selling like it is,probably has something to do with streaming.
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NPD Sales Results for January 2014 [Up3: PS4/XB1 #1/#2 best selling; Poke/SM3DW/ALBW]
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Add "$400 Kinect-less SKU", "$300 DL-only SKU" and "Halo loyality".
Sometimes it is really weird to see gamers treat PS4 and PSVITA, both from Sony and both are the most powerful machine in their category, such differently....
Sony made billion(s) of dollars on hardware/software before Xbox was even a thing.
Did it ever exist? I mean Microsoft must have thought it did, but I don't remember ever hearing about Sony wanting to make the Playstation into a PC. Even with all the ridiculous hyperbole about the PS2, it was still only ever a video games console.
Both approach their target markets differently. Two markets that wants two different things from devices representing them.
pieatorium
Member
I would have gone with steam
And lost most of it on the PS3 and other business endeavors. It still amazes me how far Sony has fallen these days, considering from 2000-2006 they were basically Apple before Apple became...Apple...
I should go to bed...
Plus computer bought 3 years ago is still more than enough for everyday use and will be enough for at least another year thanks to slower advancement of technology.
Hopefully, 3DS is at 120k: it would be slightly up YOY, with weeks adjusted. At least.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Yea I kinda agree with your end point there.
I just like playing devils advocate.
A few years ago, the device was king.
Selling mahcines, selling products, was the business.
It's changed. The device is secondary, content is king.
Apple acts like selling iPads and shit is what they want, but what they really want is to control the way you purchase and consume your content. Ownership of ecosystems and distribution channels is the wave. Apple gets it. Vavle gets it. MS understands it but is struggling to sell it. Nintendo is starting to see it but leads with their own content first - they want to create and own the content, which is different than prioritizing a neutral distro platform - and build devices to suit their owned content, and Sony capitalized on mixed messages from competition and led with a voice about targeted hardware (gaming, core, early adpoter) that turned out to be wise st launch.
Long term is anyone's game, but dont underestimate those who can create robust content channels/platforms. Hardware sales is hugely important for growth but not the only factor
Edit:
Driver, I inadvertsnly also replied to your quote too
travisbickle
Member
Hmm, that 2.7 games attach ratio. I stand at 15 Xbox One games bought.
Things are starting to show how they are, Microsoft needs to fix it. They need to get the price right (I only bought the One at launch because I scalped 250 out of PS4s) and below PS4, $350 is the maximum they can aim for with the power difference. And they need to get their shit together with that annoying external power supply. Why on earth is that thing there in the first place, why is it sucking so much energy and why does it have to be actively cooled even when it's in standby?
But knowing Microsoft they will just hope for Titanfall, then say consoles never sell in summer and not do anything, then hope for their holiday lineup and a year from now we'll be at the same price point but with a 6 million lead for PS4. At least now this gen won't be so stretched out as the last, I expect the next Xbox in 2017.
Because it's a rushed product. The Xbox One's release date was set by the PS4. Similar to the launch titles, rushed because the date was set by an outside influence.
like john was saying, the all-in-one box probably does exist, but not the way microsoft thought it did. i think even the early 00s would have seen their plan for the xbox one work out.
the box that will do it will probably be small, affordable, and not very powerful. and maybe come with a monthly subscription. it would be the sort of device where games can be made for it, but aren't the main attraction.
You missed the point entirely. Congrats.
So a streaming focused Steam box mixed with Roku.
Nintendo's angle had a bit of merit to it, in an age where every individual member of the family can watch whatever TV programme they want on their individual devices can be a thing, it's not a reason TO buy the system just like Kinect TV stuff.
UberTag
Member
None of those other games are coming out anytime soon.
Unless you want us to talk about Garden Warfare.
Did you want us to talk about Garden Warfare?
Hero of Legend
Member
If anyone can provide the current LTD of Sonic Lost World on both Wii U and 3DS it'd be much appreciated.
The console gaming industry is kind of insane. It's extremely volatile and expensive, with questionable returns for hardware manufacturers. Two of them are only able to stay in it because they are part of much larger corporations, and the other because it conservatively hoards the money from its successes and tries to avoid loss-leasing strategies.
shinra-bansho
Member
Creamsugar has been uncharacteristically quiet.
We have some solid numbers or approximations for hardware though thanks to Aqua.
PS4 - 271K
XB1 - 141K
PS3 ~53.5K
Wii U ~49K
360 ~48.5K
EDIT: Oh, new cs leak:
PSV < 17K, so there's something off with that calculated result above.
Still maybe at this stage? Creamsugar save us.
If they were Apple before Apple then the PS3 would have sold gang busters at the pricepoint it launched.
It is never not a good time to talk about Garden Warfare
My point was that seems kind of a put on by people to say that they are banking everything on Titanfall.
pieatorium
Member
alot of households, especially the ones interested in a gaming console imo, already have multiple screeens for entertainment. At least one tv one pc multiple phones maybe a tablet extra laptop/pc if the kids are in highscool
Lagspike_exe
Member
Those PS3 & 360 numbers are terrible. It seems like the market has been fully saturated at this price point. Although I wonder would a price cut do much.
If anyone can provide the current LTD of Sonic Lost World on both Wii U and 3DS it'd be much appreciated.
Wouldn't mind knowing how the old boy is doing myself.
Aquamarine
Member
3ds: < 130k
ps3: < 60k
360: < 50k
wii u: < 55k
wii: < 25k
vita: < 25k
Wii Fit U: <20K
Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition (total): <85K
Ranking among last-gen consoles is PS3 > Wii U > 360
Nintendo SW numbers in OP: Retail + Digital, no bundles
1st Course
Member
No 3DS/Vita numbers yet?
creamsugar
Member
For still awake US Vita gamers:
Vita < 17k
TEARAWAY < 3.3k
Vita < 17k
TEARAWAY < 3.3k
Graphics Horse
Member
So it turned out Sony's comment applied to home consoles only.
Aquamarine
Member
Thank you dear Creamsugar. <3
It's not making a comeback in the west. And if an almost 2 year old gimped port is its biggest title, then something is very wrong.
Still awake, didn't need to see this before bed though lol. Double Ouch. Damn shame.
Otakumegane
Member
I think consoles might disappear for the reason that the whole TV in the living room might go away.
People like having 1 screen all to themselves, not to mention that there's less and less incentive to buy a TV as the years go buy. People don't watch much live cable anymore and in the future all of our content will be like Netflix/Hulu based.
As soon as a "good enough" phone projector is made. People will lap that up. Chromecast is only the beginning
People like having 1 screen all to themselves, not to mention that there's less and less incentive to buy a TV as the years go buy. People don't watch much live cable anymore and in the future all of our content will be like Netflix/Hulu based.
As soon as a "good enough" phone projector is made. People will lap that up. Chromecast is only the beginning
Aquamarine
Member
Can you share 3DS numbers so we have all the numbers for January 2014 NPD prediction results?
1st Course
Member
Thanks
And if the Xbone still sells shit in spite of that, all these cock blocks would do is stifle competition and fuck our hobby up worse than it already is.
I feel like Nintendo's biggest mistake was getting too innovation-happy and forgetting to keep the new consumers they attracted with the DS and Wii happy. Both the 3DS and Wii U were focused on needlessly expensive ideas that nobody really wanted, but worse than that, they abandoned what made their previous consoles especially attractive. The Wii U is obvious with how it ignored motion controls, but it's true for the DS as well; technically the touchscreen is still there, but it plays a much lesser role since they want people to focus on the 3D screen.
Lagspike_exe
Member
I don't get it how Vita is still on the shelves.
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Heard the margins on the proprietary mem cards are pretty good for retailers. Might be their only incentive at this point.
Aquamarine
Member
I wouldn't doubt it if Sony gave them some incentive to keep Vita on shelves as well. It definitely is a product that should be pulled given its abysmal sales in the USA.
Freezie KO
Banned
I really don't think Off TV had any merit. Sure, a few people find it useful, but you buy your big boy console for $350 to play games on the TV. And while you're playing, because of DVR, you're not taking up the time of someone's "must-see" program.
If you are going to play mostly off TV, you buy a cheaper 3DS (which happens to play pretty much the same experiences). If you get kicked off the TV often, you also have a phone because, as you point out, everyone already owns a personal device.
And this is assuming you hooked the Wii U up to the family TV and not your own TV, despite many American households having multiple TVs. And that is assuming you're even living with your family or someone that would even take up a main TV.
It's just circumstance after circumstance of how this feature would be used. And it's all based on a notion that there are no DVRs, that the TV is still important to the family, that there's only one TV in the house, and, even if this imaginary situation were true, you wouldn't just go on your phone, computer, or 3DS if momentarily kicked off the TV.
It's just a total clusterfuck of a unique selling proposition.