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[liger05]

Even if the XB1 was as powerful as the PS4 it's quite clear that the price would still be an issue.

After last month I though the XB1 was on course and no need to look at cutting the price so soon but they are going to have to do something if Jan is anything to go by.

Crisis? Far from it but concerns yes.

The 3DS number is looking real bad and Vita still totally irrelevant I guess.


As for Wii Fit U. Iwata, reggie and every other bozo @ Nintendo who still living in 2006. Wake the fuck up!!!

 

[SmokyDave]

if it helps there's at least +1 in february since i bought one as a birthday gift.

so there. i'm responsible for 0.0000125% of all vita purchases in the united states.

Good enough for me, cheers. I don't suppose you'd pick another 40-50k up this month would you?

I hope Sony doesn't kill off the Vita cause I just ordered one. (TxK pushed me over the edge).

Also will be great for 'Playstation Now'.

They won't kill it. The numbers in the US have been dire since pussy was a cat.

I love that TxK has become a stealth system-seller. It's a cracking game.

 

[Aquamarine]

I wonder how meaningful retail software numbers are when everything can be bought digitally.

They're meaningful to brick-and-mortar retailers and the industries that affect it (distribution, logistics, hardware manufacturing, retail workforce, mom-and-pop chains, corporate behemoths like Wal-Mart, etc.)

 

[pieatorium]

Jan 2013-140k (3DS)+35k (Vita) + 66K (DS) + 10K (PSP) = 251K

251K *0.59 = 148K

Jan 2014 = 3DS + PSV = 148K

123K < 3DS < 148K
0 < PSV < 25K

since its 5 week vs 4 week it will be 251/5*4
200.8

200.8*.59

psv + 3ds equals 118.47

 

[Biker19]

The TV stuff is clearly a failure, they were so sure and adamant that talking to your television would be the killer app, its why they included Kinect in the first place, actual Kinect games are secondary.

Many people knew this months ago, TV is losing significance in the average family, not because TV sucks or TV is bad, but because we prefer to have our own personalized electronics, so your uncle can watch his Game of Thrones, your little sister can watch Sons of Anarchy, and mom can play her Farmville on her own phone or tablet.

The entire concept of "all in one entertainment center" is flawed, if this were the 1960 when the TV was the center stage of the living room in your average american family, then yes it might have worked.

The only thing on TV that is demanding high rates is live broadcasting, aka sports. Everything else is losing significance, and contracts are not picked up or picked up for a fraction of what they cost before. The whole thing is a deck of cards crumbling on to itself - and here is Microsoft actually banking on "TV".

/rant.

I agree. Microsoft made a huge mistake going with a dinosaur model when more people are turning away from Cable & are out there watching TV shows & movies through their tablets & other devices like Roku's.

Most of the features inside of Xbox One doesn't even work outside of the U.S., or doesn't even work properly. Heck, PS3 has already done most of the stuff that Microsoft's doing now outside of the U.S.

By focusing on "TV, TV, TV, Sports, TV," & by including Kinect 2.0, they have significantly fucked up on the gaming part by putting better specs on the back-burner in which they'll have to suffer for & to deal with it for the rest of this generation.

 

[ZSaberLink]

I hope Sony doesn't kill off the Vita cause I just ordered one. (TxK pushed me over the edge).

Also will be great for 'Playstation Now'.

Well Sony did just announce Vita-2000 refresh + Borderlands 2 for the US and the UK is getting the new model. I'd assume it's getting some support at least for now.


@pieatorium - Seems like I corrected my math for Aqua's post just as you did =). At least we got the same answer.

 

[Zombie James]

As an XB1 owner, there is no positive way to spin the number for MS. Whoever at MS thought people will pay 499$ + Tax for a console was out of their fucking mind. The system is not moving with being readily available now.

They really did not learn anything from Sony's PS3 launch it seems. You can't price yourself out of your market, especially with weaker hardware.

XB1 should price drop of 399$ and they might be able to compete with Sony in NA.

Even at $399 they'd be at a significant disadvantage because of the power gap between the two. They need to be $350 or lower to compete, imho.

 

[John Harker]

The TV stuff is clearly a failure, they were so sure and adamant that talking to your television would be the killer app, its why they included Kinect in the first place, actual Kinect games are secondary.

Many people knew this months ago, TV is losing significance in the average family, not because TV sucks or TV is bad, but because we prefer to have our own personalized electronics, so your uncle can watch his Game of Thrones, your little sister can watch Sons of Anarchy, and mom can play her Farmville on her own phone or tablet.

The entire concept of "all in one entertainment center" is flawed, if this were the 1960 when the TV was the center stage of the living room in your average american family, then yes it might have worked.

The only thing on TV that is demanding high rates is live broadcasting, aka sports. Everything else is losing significance, and contracts are not picked up or picked up for a fraction of what they cost before. The whole thing is a deck of cards crumbling on to itself - and here is Microsoft actually banking on "TV".

/rant.

Personally, I agree with you 100%.

Good device, very strange approach to marketing.
Live TV isn't something consumers want to invest in right now... I still can't wrap my head around the call to lead with that message.

I suppose it ties into their corp strat of owning content channels, but they led this carriage before the horse In my opinion.

Edit: wait I dont agree with the poster below me. Consumer research shows people want device convergence. I dont disagree with the hardware design... What's strange to me was the call the launch with live TV as a primary focal point as the center of your living room entertainment. Shows a lack of understanding with early adopter M18-34. You roll that message out on two years when you need a cycle refresh to go broad, what person in that demo wants to spend $500 to enrich live TV??? Its why Sony won round one in my opinion.

Round two will be very interesting

 

[theprodigy]

since its 5 week vs 4 week it will be 251/5*4
200.8

200.8*.59

psv + 3ds equals 118.47

I think we should just wait for tomorrow morning for clarification
lol

 

[AniHawk]

But the Wii didn't really expand the market, it just attracted all the smartphone gamers for a few years then cratered. It did almost nothing for 3rd party software. It was an abberation, and we can see that with the Wii U where Nintendo went back to GC levels of decline.

you have it out of order.

nintendo introduced relatively inexpensive software on relatively inexpensive hardware that was accessible and good for short bursts with friends or on your own. smartphones then offered even more inexpensive software on hardware people already owned, and were games that were accessible and good for short bursts online or on your own.

in 2009, nintendo offered their final software to the market for several years with sequels to wii fit and wii sports. 2010 was a bunch of games geared at enthusiasts, and 2011-2012 were spent making 3ds and wii u software. nintendo effectively abandoned the market they had built from 2005-2009 around the same time smartphones were taking off.

funny enough, nintendo might have been able to keep the wii going had they given it more revisions, added more oddball peripherals, and just didn't let their own support die. epic mickey 2 sold the best on the platform, and just dance did 800k on the wii just last december. yeah, it's down dramatically from the four million it used to do, but there was still a large audience somewhere not being catered to as recently as a couple months ago.

calling something a fluke, an aberration, or lucky offers no insight or analysis.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Was somehow expecting bigger numbers for the PS4. Guess Sony's still struggling big time to get their supply straight. They could have sold a lot more that the 300k if they could just get the units into the stores.

 

[zhao3gold]

The TV stuff is clearly a failure, they were so sure and adamant that talking to your television would be the killer app, its why they included Kinect in the first place, actual Kinect games are secondary.

Many people knew this months ago, TV is losing significance in the average family, not because TV sucks or TV is bad, but because we prefer to have our own personalized electronics, so your uncle can watch his Game of Thrones, your little sister can watch Sons of Anarchy, and mom can play her Farmville on her own phone or tablet.

The entire concept of "all in one entertainment center" is flawed, if this were the 1960 when the TV was the center stage of the living room in your average american family, then yes it might have worked.

The only thing on TV that is demanding high rates is live broadcasting, aka sports. Everything else is losing significance, and contracts are not picked up or picked up for a fraction of what they cost before. The whole thing is a deck of cards crumbling on to itself - and here is Microsoft actually banking on "TV".

/rant.

This is so true. The "all-in-one" vision on Xbox One and the laptop+tablet vision on Surface was wrong as hell.

They have to compromise a lot in both Xbox One and Surface hardware to achieve this stupid vision. But did consumer ask for this? No, at lest not in nowadays, maybe in the future.

The consumers are still purchasing multiple devices for different usages. PC for work, tablet/phone for entertainment, gaming consoles for TV games. There is no sign showing the consumers wants to put all of them in the same devices.

The people in Microsoft don't understand what consumers want and they just sit in their offices to assume the consumer's requirement. This is so stupid.

 

[Branduil]

No. If one product dominates it does not mean that there is no competition. It usually means that the product is more appealing in some way and is therefore winning out. That's how it is supposed to work. If the xbox one and Wii U did not exist, THEN there would be no competition.

I was obviously not saying that the XBone and Wii U don't actually exist. I mean, it's technically true that it's a competition, but the Wii U is doing so historically poorly that it might as well not exist, and the XBone is yet to be determined, but it selling half of a supply-constrained PS4 in its strongest territory is not a good sign. It could end up like the Super Bowl; technically a competition, but not a very exciting one. And I think it's a bad sign for the industry if two console manufacturers misread the market so badly that Sony basically wins by default.

My hope is that Valve and Amazon and whoever will provide some interesting, disruptive gaming ideas because two of the big three can't stop shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[kinggroin]

I don't know, Nintendo and Ubisoft are the only two I thought really capitilised on the Wii's dominance the Activision's and EA's with their COD's and Fifa's would probably feel nothing of value being lost with the WiiU tanking.

They both had successful music games, though to be fair, that's a genre killed even before the Wii was.

I still wouldn't say nothing is lost. Both companies released successful product on the platform, to an audience that by and large doesn't seem available now.

Revenue is revenue, no matter how little compared to CoD or FIFA. So I'm sure they'd love to have that channel back.

 

[Dits]

 

[Krilekk]

Hmm, that 2.7 games attach ratio. I stand at 15 Xbox One games bought.

Things are starting to show how they are, Microsoft needs to fix it. They need to get the price right (I only bought the One at launch because I scalped 250 € out of PS4s) and below PS4, $350 is the maximum they can aim for with the power difference. And they need to get their shit together with that annoying external power supply. Why on earth is that thing there in the first place, why is it sucking so much energy and why does it have to be actively cooled even when it's in standby?

But knowing Microsoft they will just hope for Titanfall, then say consoles never sell in summer and not do anything, then hope for their holiday lineup and a year from now we'll be at the same price point but with a 6 million lead for PS4. At least now this gen won't be so stretched out as the last, I expect the next Xbox in 2017.

 

[Jack cw]

Was somehow expecting bigger numbers for the PS4. Guess Sony's still struggling big time to get their supply straight. They could have sold a lot more that the 300k if they could just get the units into the stores.

Well they still launced in other territories and Japan is soon to come. At least the demand carries over into Feb/March and I think that they are going to outsell the xbone even with Titanfall. The gap will become bigger of course and I think that PS4 will be more than 3 million units ahead of Microsoft worldwide at the end of March.

 

[Yaoibot]

That's a gross misinterpretation of reality, and I'd highly recommend doing some more critical analysis before we continue to engage in conversation.

Start here; in 2006 there were no smartphone gamers.

They migrated to smartphones and the Apple effect had begun, you need to check your dates. Please tell me where that audience is now. Go on.

And the Wii was a fluke. Its unique controller and lack of advanced technical specs tickled an itch that never would have beem scratched without the perfect alignment of fates - a crashing world economy, first and foremost.

 

[Majmun]

Ps4 did well. Is it true that it had supply issues in january in NA?

 

[zhao3gold]

It begins.....

 

[AniHawk]

Personally, I agree with you 100%.

Good device, very strange approach to marketing.
Live TV isn't something consumers want to invest in right now... I still can't wrap my head around the call to lead with that message.

I suppose it ties into their corp strat of owning content channels, but they led this carriage before the horse In my opinion.

they've been chasing sony for 15 years now. and currently it looks like for all their efforts that they will have lost a battle that wound up mattering very little. at a certain point, i think they might have become 'used to it' in a sense. like this dogged determination is now part of them, even if they don't really need to be in this fight anymore.

 

[Winternet]

here we go.

 

[pukko]

What was the PS2 price around the PS3 release? Wasn't it at $130? The 360 & PS3 needs to drop to those impulse buy price levels if they want to keep selling last gen.

A pricedrop on last gen might disturb the new gen sales though, and that could put Microsoft in an even worse spot. Sony might loose some momentum on ps4 as well.

The market would be healthier with Xbone & PS3 @ $399, Wii U @ $200-230 and 360 & PS3 around $130-150.

 

[kinggroin]

I was obviously not saying that the XBone and Wii U don't actually exist. I mean, it's technically true that it's a competition, but the Wii U is doing so historically poorly that it might as well not exist, and the XBone is yet to be determined, but it selling half of a supply-constrained PS4 in its strongest territory is not a good sign. It could end up like the Super Bowl; technically a competition, but not a very exciting one. And I think it's a bad sign for the industry if two console manufacturers misread the market so badly that Sony basically wins by default.

My hope is that Valve and Amazon and whoever will provide some interesting, disruptive gaming ideas because two of the big three can't stop shooting themselves in the foot.

I see what you're saying, but you best be sure it IS a competition to MS and Nintendo. Its that mindset that's going to give you two more consoles with games you otherwise wouldn't have.

So I don't agree with "may as well not exist". As a gamer, that's not in my best interest.

 

[Officerrob]

It was dumb last gen too....

 

[Polk]

Both MS and Sony are limited in how far they can cut those older machines though? They are just so full of stuff compared to earlier generations - HDD, wifi,chips on large processes. They need a die shrink at least. The 4Gb/12Gb models are more affordable, but of limited use.

MS should drop the price of 4G model by 1/3, add 32GB flashdrive and some voucher for digital game.
Sony's situation is tougher as their 12G model is harder to upgrade.

 

[googleplex]

But look at this way. It is not like publishers are going to bail on the xbone like they bailed on the Wii. The xbone is very similar to the PS4 and the PC as far as development goes, so there is little reason not to make an xbone version of a title that you are making for PS4 and/or PC.

Spoiler

However, they may not optimize the xbone version as well.

Very true. Also the simular nature of those three platforms will also help keep development cost from jumping as much as they did last gen.

Conversely, The WiiU being the "odd machine out" architecturally, gives third-party developers even less reason to support it.

 

[kinoki]

I was obviously not saying that the XBone and Wii U don't actually exist. I mean, it's technically true that it's a competition, but the Wii U is doing so historically poorly that it might as well not exist, and the XBone is yet to be determined, but it selling half of a supply-constrained PS4 in its strongest territory is not a good sign. It could end up like the Super Bowl; technically a competition, but not a very exciting one. And I think it's a bad sign for the industry if two console manufacturers misread the market so badly that Sony basically wins by default.

My hope is that Valve and Amazon and whoever will provide some interesting, disruptive gaming ideas because two of the big three can't stop shooting themselves in the foot.

So you're saying that Sony is only winning because of the competition misreading the market? Another way of saying it is that Sony exposed the competition's value as poor. Xbone and WiiU are not bad consoles. The PS4 is just a whole lot better. And a better deal for consumers.

 

[ZSaberLink]

This is so true. The "all-in-one" vision on Xbox One and the laptop+tablet vision on Surface was wrong as hell.

They have to compromise a lot in both Xbox One and Surface hardware to achieve this stupid vision. But did consumer ask for this? No, at lest not in nowadays, maybe in the future.

The consumers are still purchasing multiple devices for different usages. PC for work, tablet/phone for entertainment, gaming consoles for TV games. There is no sign showing the consumers wants to put all of them in the same devices.

The people in Microsoft don't understand what consumers want and they just sit in their offices to assume the consumer's requirement. This is so stupid.

I'm not really sure what you mean. PC sales are going down BECAUSE folks are buying phones and tablets for both work of sorts and entertainment. This is why Microsoft did what they did with the Surface. I think the Surface was a decent idea that wasn't executed too well. They tried to do too much in too short of a time and unfortunately fell short on their vision in key areas. Say what you will about Windows 7, but in reality all the work that went into Windows Vista that everyone hated was simply cleaned up/completed and suddenly everyone (myself included) really liked Windows 7. I have a feeling the same will happen with the Surface as so many professionals couldn't do real work on an iPad and found that as a huge limitation. Just having MS Office on a Surface got some of my friends to buy one. Also, the Surface 2 seems to be doing better than the 1st one, so there is progress there.

Visions on how to improve a product need to be there otherwise we'll end up with more of the same. Honestly, the PS4 is such a safe console that it's kind of sad it's selling the best. I hope the Gaikai stuff is interesting at least because apart from that and sharing videos, I really see nothing new that it offers apart from power. Remember the quote that if you asked consumers before the car what they wanted, they would have just asked for faster horses?

 

[mrklaw]

Even at $399 they'd be at a significant disadvantage because of the power gap between the two. They need to be $350 or lower to compete, imho.

This is sony's to lose IMO. They need to track MS on price. No need to undercut - same price is fine with the momentum and technical advantages they have. $100 cheaper is just gravy right now.

If MS cut to $399, stay at -$399
If MS cut to $349, match it. Although I can't see MS making such a huge cut in one go.

The financials are interesting. Sony can't easily afford to cut prices quickly, but Playstation is disproportionately more important to their overall business, so arguably they can't afford *not* to cut prices to react to MS.

MS have way more capacity to accept big losses, yet as Xbox is a much smaller piece of he pie, the wider company may be much less willing to allow that.

 

[TheOddOne]

How did the whole banking everything on Titanfall actually become a thing? It is bad to back a game now? Seems people conveniently forget that other games are coming out?

 

[Daingurse]

Hahahahahah, gawd dayum.

 

[kinggroin]

They migrated to smartphones and the Apple effect had begun, you need to check your dates. Please tell me where that audience is now. Go on.

And the Wii was a fluke. Its unique controller and lack of advanced technical specs tickled an itch that never would have beem scratched without the perfect alignment of fates - a crashing world economy, first and foremost.

To migrate, means they had to have been somewhere first. Go look at Wii sales up until 2009. Please tell me where the audience was. Go on.

And Wii being a fluke has nothing to do with your original premise that the system did not expand the market. None. The only thing we can positively say today, is that Nintendo, Sony, and MS seemingly failed to keep them captured, so the console market loses a shit load of gamers.

Quite honestly, it sounds like you're trying to use Nintendo's mismanagement of the brand and company post 2009, to dismiss the performance of a console you don't believe to be...legitimate.

 

[shinra-bansho]

since its 5 week vs 4 week it will be 251/5*4
200.8

200.8*.59

psv + 3ds equals 118.47

The home consoles are up 14% without adjusting for the 5 week month, so presumably the handheld number is without adjustment. The 3DS might have done alright then.

This is so true. The "all-in-one" vision on Xbox One and the laptop+tablet vision on Surface was wrong as hell.

They have to compromise a lot in both Xbox One and Surface hardware to achieve this stupid vision. But did consumer ask for this? No, at lest not in nowadays, maybe in the future.

The consumers are still purchasing multiple devices for different usages. PC for work, tablet/phone for entertainment, gaming consoles for TV games. There is no sign showing the consumers wants to put all of them in the same devices.

The people in Microsoft don't understand what consumers want and they just sit in their offices to assume the consumer's requirement. This is so stupid.

Uh... no.

People are purchasing one device that suits multiple needs.

People want a system that does everything they care about, the problem is they don't really care about integrating with live TV, certainly not for an extra $100.

Consumers want to buy the system that will offer them the best entertainment bang for their buck. It's why I find the whole concept of secondary consoles people bring up in reference to the Wii U odd. People don't want half a dozen consoles, they're not going to get a second one just to play Nintendo's output.

 

[erawsd]

Personally, I agree with you 100%.

Good device, very strange approach to marketing.
Live TV isn't something consumers want to invest in right now... I still can't wrap my head around the call to lead with that message.

I suppose it ties into their corp strat of owning content channels, but they led this carriage before the horse In my opinion.

Part of me feels like MS became a victim of hype.

For years now, the tech sector has been boasting (actually, begging) about how Apple will revolutionize television the way they did the cellphone and tablet. I think MS got caught up wanting to reach that space first and they thought people would be blown away by this brand new way to interface with the TV.

 

[Branduil]

they've been chasing sony for 15 years now. and currently it looks like for all their efforts that they will have lost a battle that wound up mattering very little. at a certain point, i think they might have become 'used to it' in a sense. like this dogged determination is now part of them, even if they don't really need to be in this fight anymore.

It is hard to say they've gained anything particularly tangible for all the money and resources they've poured into the Xbox division over the last 14 years. I mean, they have a brand they could potentially sell off, but it hasn't really helped their core business in any meaningful way, and while they were focusing on "winning the living room," Apple and Google have started undercutting them on their home front. Oh, and they basically passed ownership of PC gaming over to Valve without any kind of fight or even feigned interest.

 

[Jack cw]

This is sony's to lose IMO. They need to track MS on price. No need to undercut - same price is fine with the momentum and technical advantages they have. $100 cheaper is just gravy right now.

If MS cut to $399, stay at -$399
If MS cut to $349, match it. Although I can't see MS making such a huge cut in one go.

The financials are interesting. Sony can't easily afford to cut prices quickly, but Playstation is disproportionately more important to their overall business, so arguably they can't afford *not* to cut prices to react to MS.

MS have way more capacity to accept big losses, yet as Xbox is a much smaller piece of he pie, the wider company may be much less willing to allow that.

Its not only about price though. Look at 360 and its great price, software, hardware (besides the failure rate) and online experience. Still the 600$ PS3 was able to hold up still reached parity worldwide. The thing in peoples head is nearly as important as price. The message is out, PS4 is the better overall deal and that will carry on the whole generation. In no way can Microsoft turn this around, their main target should be to not losing more ground and I doubt they could achieve another 80 million consoles.

 

[John Harker]

they've been chasing sony for 15 years now. and currently it looks like for all their efforts that they will have lost a battle that wound up mattering very little. at a certain point, i think they might have become 'used to it' in a sense. like this dogged determination is now part of them, even if they don't really need to be in this fight anymore.

Chasing in what regard? They made a billion dollars off XBL content waaaaaaaaaay before sony came close.

Never underestiste revenue streams and whose holding the corp PR behind those divisions

 

[Freezie KO]

The TV stuff is clearly a failure, they were so sure and adamant that talking to your television would be the killer app, its why they included Kinect in the first place, actual Kinect games are secondary.

Many people knew this months ago, TV is losing significance in the average family, not because TV sucks or TV is bad, but because we prefer to have our own personalized electronics, so your uncle can watch his Game of Thrones, your little sister can watch Sons of Anarchy, and mom can play her Farmville on her own phone or tablet.

The entire concept of "all in one entertainment center" is flawed, if this were the 1960 when the TV was the center stage of the living room in your average american family, then yes it might have worked.

The only thing on TV that is demanding high rates is live broadcasting, aka sports. Everything else is losing significance, and contracts are not picked up or picked up for a fraction of what they cost before. The whole thing is a deck of cards crumbling on to itself - and here is Microsoft actually banking on "TV".

/rant.

Good post. With people actually taking on the term "cord cutters" to describe a whole generation that is moving away from cable and towards Internet/Netflix/Hulu, why would anyone think focusing on the TV was a big deal? And this is even worse when those who do have TV all use it with DVR to just watch their programs whenever they want.

Both Microsoft with its "control your TV" messaging and Nintendo with its "Now you don't have to share the TV!" were both so radically off the mark.

 

[pieatorium]

This is sony's to lose IMO. They need to track MS on price. No need to undercut - same price is fine with the momentum and technical advantages they have. $100 cheaper is just gravy right now.

If MS cut to $399, stay at -$399
If MS cut to $349, match it. Although I can't see MS making such a huge cut in one go.

The financials are interesting. Sony can't easily afford to cut prices quickly, but Playstation is disproportionately more important to their overall business, so arguably they can't afford *not* to cut prices to react to MS.

MS have way more capacity to accept big losses, yet as Xbox is a much smaller piece of he pie, the wider company may be much less willing to allow that.

I tink it would be in sonys best interest to keep a price advantage even if it is minor especially during holidays. MS hits 399 sometime this year ps4 should got 350 or at least 375 even if they have parity for a couple of months getting that "cheaper" price during gift giving season is a big deal imo

 

[Yaoibot]

To migrate, means they had to have been somewhere first. Go look at Wii sales up until 2009. Please tell me where the audience was. Go on.

And Wii being a fluke has nothing to do with your original premise that the system did not expand the market. None. The only thing we can positively say today, is that Nintendo, Sony, and MS seemingly failed to keep them captured, so the console market loses a shit load of gamers.

And third party software on the Wii? Where's your analysis on that? Success and contraction is not determined by one cherry-picked statistic alone. If we should be examining any metric, its software, and I think that is up YoY. But I'd have to check again.

 

[Replicant]

OMG. I didn't know there's this version. Right-clicked + saved.

 

[donny2112]

But what will save the industry? We need 'nother chalkboard up in heres!

 

[madmackem]

Ps4 did well. Is it true that it had supply issues in january in NA?

They did pretty much worldwide in jan, only started to see stock in shops in feb.

 

[kinggroin]

This is sony's to lose IMO. They need to track MS on price. No need to undercut - same price is fine with the momentum and technical advantages they have. $100 cheaper is just gravy right now.

If MS cut to $399, stay at -$399
If MS cut to $349, match it. Although I can't see MS making such a huge cut in one go.

The financials are interesting. Sony can't easily afford to cut prices quickly, but Playstation is disproportionately more important to their overall business, so arguably they can't afford *not* to cut prices to react to MS.

MS have way more capacity to accept big losses, yet as Xbox is a much smaller piece of he pie, the wider company may be much less willing to allow that.

And they'd only need to react if demand for their platform was already waining in the face of ever growing popularity of the competition.

Currently, numbers are saying, "fat chance of that happening".

There's a reason iPads can outsell the Nexus 7 while still costing significantly more.

If Sony can succeed at attaching that kind of desire to the platform, MS price drops won't really do much to affect them negatively.

 

[AniHawk]

Chasing in what regard? They made a billion dollars off XBL content waaaaaaaaaay before sony came close.

Never underestiste revenue streams and whose holding the corp PR behind those divisions

well in the 90s, playstation was huge, games were in 3d now, and sony was set to dominate with a dvd player and a games console. they were working to take over the living room and microsoft had to stop them from encroaching on their territory.

so sony dominated from 2000-2005 and then kind of shat the bed. the 360 had a lot more features than just games machine, easily continuing that trajectory and thought process from the early 90s.

and now we're here. streaming is a thing and live television isn't. sony made a gaming console and marketed it as such while microsoft turned the xbox into the all-in-one entertainment device they wanted for over a decade. microsoft sort of got caught up in fighting a dragon that didn't exist.

 

[driver116]

PS4 sold nearly twice as much as the bone - and this is with the former being supply constricted and the latter being abundantly available 0_0

 

[xDUMPWEEDx]

The Vita is making a comeback. With the upcoming release of the 2000 Slim, borderlands 2, and a bunch of other great games this year, sales will pick up.

I do think the possibility is very real however that the Vita will be the last handheld Sony ever releases.

 

[zhao3gold]

In investor's eyes:

Windows 8 surpassed 200millions license sell
Office generate billions dollars;
Xbox One outsold by PS4 by 2 times

Kill Xbox business, simple...

 

[pieatorium]

The home consoles are up 14% without adjusting for the 5 week month, so presumably the handheld number is without adjustment. The 3DS might have done alright then.

so
18k < vita < 25k
123k < 3ds <130k
(based on creams too much comments)
assuming by dead ds and psp are both well under 1k