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[travisbickle]

Added the numbers into the equations

187K + PS3 > (131K + 81K)
187K > 131K
187K > 131K + 360

WIIU = ~81K
PS4 - 187K
XBO - 131K
360 < 56K
PS3 > 25K

 

[random25]

Aqua's numbers and creamsugar's statement earlier that ps4 > wiiu + xbone doesn't add up.

edit - or was it ps4+ps3?

That was PS4 + PS3. Would make sense given that the estimates for PS3 are around 30+k

 

[Ottoni_Bastos]

Any chance of TLOU numbers Aqua?

 

[onQ123]

Good for The Last of-

Oh.

5 days on one console with a install base of about 10 million WW vs 20 something days on two consoles with a install base of over 140 million WW.

 

[Frillen]

Yes, US school holidays start in June, any parent or college student buying a console for the summer will buy in June. The MoM drop is expected, but I don't think anyone expected it to be as large, it is a 20% fall in the weekly sales rate, I expected around an 8-10% fall.

We will see how August is, but with the majority of consumer spending moving towards back to school products like laptops, tablets and clothes consoles may be squeezed again. I still think releasing TLOU:R in August was a mistake, Sony should have capitalised on a barren summer and released it in June to coincide with the start of the holiday. I think the game would have performed better and hardware would have seen a bigger boost. I guess it just wasn't ready on time...

Explain this then:

July 2007 NPD:

Wii - 425,000
Nintendo DS - 405,000
PlayStation 2 - 222,000
PlayStation Portable - 214,000
Xbox 360 - 170,000
PlayStation 3 - 159,000
Game Boy Advance - 87,000

 

[KillerMan91]

Well this summer has been really really barren release wise so not exactly surprised by lowish numbers all around. September will be the first real test. Also damn PS4 is killing it in EU considering selltrough has went from 7 to 10 million worldwide from april to august with these only decent US numbers and awful Japan numbers.

 

[shwimpy]

ps3 needs a price drop asap.

 

[allan-bh]

I said this before, PS4 in last months don't had very good sales for a market leader in US.

 

[Imperfected]

The numbers for this month seems pretty low given all the hype this thread received lol.

Guess the improvement in numbers will be seen come September NPD.

You may have been misreading the hype. The reason this particular month's sales were "hyped" is because many considered it the last chance for the XB1 and Wii-U to reasonably turn around their fortunes, not because the month's sales were supposed to be that stellar in and of themselves.

(That is, the XB1 had a sales burst due to the Dis-Kinection shenanginas, and Wii-U had Mario Kart 8, both of which caused spikes in sales that - if they were shown to hold - would have been the long-predicted and increasingly unlikely "comebacks" for the systems, in their respective manners: for the XB1 to have a chance at winning NA, and the Wii-U to have a chance to beating... uh, GameCube I think is as high as anyone's realistically positing, at this point.)

I mean, I'm sure people will continue to move the goalposts ad-infinitum for sermons at the Church of the Revival, but I would say most people considered this the last call for any sort of timely and relevant turn-around for either system. At this point most people have accepted that the numbers we're seeing aren't going to undergo a massive shift long-term due to one or two relatively minor events or releases.

 

[iori9999]

NPD July sales:


PS4 - 187K

XBO - 131K


I was dead on with my Xbox One prediction of 132K


.

Yeah sales in July are usually very bad.. Also, it's usually the best time to buy a new console IMO..

 

[Llamadeus]

Looks like Europe is doing the heavy lifting when it comes to PS4 sales numbers. Less than half of the PS4's sales are from the US? If I'm reading Aqua's numbers right.

Sony still clearly ahead, and doing respectable numbers. Just not the OMGWTFBBQ levels of incredible I was expecting based on some of the reactions.

 

[Guymelef]

Japan is dead, US is dead.
EU will save console market.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

It's becoming really hard for the video game industry to try to spin the numbers, the market contraction is so brutal.

NPD July 2007

Wii - 425,000
Nintendo DS - 405,000
PlayStation 2 - 222,000
PlayStation Portable - 214,000
Xbox 360 - 170,000
PlayStation 3 - 159,000
Game Boy Advance - 87,000

Monthly numbers don't mean as much compare to LTD in the same time frame IMO.
PS3 LTD as of July 2007 - 1.61 million
PS4 LTD as of July 2014 - 3.76 million
Which one you think better for the industry ?
Of course i not saying we not going to get some contraction it going happen with handhelds dying and nothing replace the Wii .
Truth is the gen looking more and more like a PS2 gen where one system sell greats and other don't so well .
We going have some contraction along with other factors.

 

[donny2112]

It's becoming really hard for the video game industry to try to spin the numbers, the market contraction is so brutal.

Limiting the scope to home consoles ...

The industry is doomed

Okay maybe not

Spoiler

if we come up with some reason to exclude Wii

Dat PS4 sales gap

 

[nib95]

My guess is PS4's August numbers will also be less than stellar, but September's numbers should be very high. I think a large portion of potential buyers will have pre-ordered the White Destiny bundle, or will be holding out for it.

 

[creamsugar]

 

[1st Course]

Here we go

 

[nib95]

You beauty! Finally!

 

[Ottoni_Bastos]

Here we go!

 

[Bruno MB]

Oh, nice!

I didn't recognize you with that Link avatar

 

[random25]

You may have been misreading the hype. The reason this particular month's sales were "hyped" is because many considered it the last chance for the XB1 and Wii-U to reasonably turn around their fortunes, not because the month's sales were supposed to be that stellar in and of themselves.

(That is, the XB1 had a sales burst due to the Dis-Kinection shenanginas, and Wii-U had Mario Kart 8, both of which caused spikes in sales that - if they were shown to hold - would have been the long-predicted and increasingly unlikely "comebacks" for the systems, in their respective manners: for the XB1 to have a chance at winning NA, and the Wii-U to have a chance to beating... uh, GameCube I think is as high as anyone's realistically positing, at this point.)

I mean, I'm sure people will continue to move the goalposts ad-infinitum for sermons at the Church of the Revival, but I would say most people considered this the last call for any sort of timely and relevant turn-around for either system. At this point most people have accepted that the numbers we're seeing aren't going to undergo a massive shift long-term due to one or two relatively minor events or releases.

It's not that. If you read the earlier posts, you'll see people saying "bloodbath", "PS4 killin' it", "nextgen 80% increase holy shit" or something similar. Turns out, the numbers themselves aren't too far off from one another. Dismal overall, in fact.

Well this summer has been really really barren release wise so not exactly surprised by lowish numbers all around. September will be the first real test. Also damn PS4 is killing it in EU considering selltrough has went from 7 to 10 million worldwide from april to august with these only decent US numbers and awful Japan numbers.

Well, don't forget that 100 countries are now selling PS4s, so it's probably getting numbers not just in Europe, but in many parts of Asia, where Playstation brand is pretty strong.

 

[shwimpy]

clockwise starting with ps4 (biggest piece), xbone, 3ds, 360, ps3, wiiu.

 

[Linearskillz]

It's becoming really hard for the video game industry to try to spin the numbers, the market contraction is so brutal

Launch aligned shows a different story though. This gen was especially front loaded with improved manufacturing and distribution processes definitely playing a factor. I doubt it'll reach numbers from the golden era again but it's not all doom and gloom either.

 

[Ottoni_Bastos]

is the cream's pie = aqua's numbers?

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Explain this then:

July 2007 NPD:

Wii - 425,000
Nintendo DS - 405,000
PlayStation 2 - 222,000
PlayStation Portable - 214,000
Xbox 360 - 170,000
PlayStation 3 - 159,000
Game Boy Advance - 87,000

The Wii was a phenomenon like the DS, the 360 put in a similar performance if not worse given that it was in its second year, and the PS3 put in a Bone like performance. As for the PS2, it is the king of all consoles, nothing is ever going to match it in the home space. Plus it was like $99 then, comparing its performance to the PS3/360 is tough because it was the only survivor from the previous generation and it was half the price compared to the crippled versions of PS3/360.

Overall console hardware is well down generation on generation, I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. The front loaded start that the PS4 and Bone got has masked this until now, I think Destiny will paper over a few cracks for the PS4 in September as well, but the Wii went supernova during Nov/Dec 2007, I don't think the PS4 will keep up.

 

[Busaiku]

That one's pretty easy.

 

[donny2112]

Just when I thought I could go to sleep, you pull me back in!

Thanks, creamsugar!

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Launch aligned shows a different story though. This gen was especially front loaded with improved manufacturing and distribution processes definitely playing a factor. I doubt it'll reach numbers from the golden era again but it's not all doom and gloom either.

Yep people are not looking at the whole picture , not saying we going get another Wii or PS2 but thing no so bad for now.

 

[StormKing]

clockwise starting with ps4 (biggest piece), xbone, 3ds, 360, ps3, wiiu.

Seems like ps4, 3ds, xbone, 360, ps3, wii u.

Guessing that 3DS sold around 100k.

 

[random25]

clockwise starting with ps4 (biggest piece), xbone, 3ds, 360, ps3, wiiu.

I think there's no 3DS numbers in there. It would mess up the XB1 + WiiU > PS4, XB1 + WiiU < PS4 + PS3 numbers we got earlier.

 

[GarciaHotspur]

Lol at the reaction.. That's incredible that a month with no games has poor sales ??

Wii = 250$ with a new concept and large public

PS4 = 400$, no new concept and for the gamers.

We have to stop to compare..

 

[RandyBobandy]

That one's pretty easy.

Where's Vita?

...oh

 

[allan-bh]

Good, with aqua numbers and cream pie we have have a full scope.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

The Wii was a phenomenon like the DS, the 360 put in a similar performance if not worse given that it was in its second year, and the PS3 put in a Bone like performance. As for the PS2, it is the king of all consoles, nothing is ever going to match it in the home space. Plus it was like $99 then, comparing its performance to the PS3/360 is tough because it was the only survivor from the previous generation and it was half the price compared to the crippled versions of PS3/360.

Overall console hardware is well down generation on generation, I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. The front loaded start that the PS4 and Bone got has masked this until now, I think Destiny will paper over a few cracks for the PS4 in September as well, but the Wii went supernova during Nov/Dec 2007, I don't think the PS4 will keep up.

Yeah PS4 can't keep up with Wii , the question is how fast it falls behind the PS2 until Sony need a price cut not counting Japan .

 

[random25]

That one's pretty easy.

I think you got this one Matches the numbers we are getting earlier.

 

[Linearskillz]

Where's Vita?

...oh

You see that one pixel right in the middle? That's it.

 

[Imperfected]

It's not that. If you read the earlier posts, you'll see people saying "bloodbath", "PS4 killin' it", "nextgen 80% increase holy shit" or something similar. Turns out, the numbers themselves aren't too far off from one another. Dismal overall, in fact.

Those are quite silly people, who ignore basic things like having a hardware increase year-over-year in a year where a new generation of consoles is out versus a year where a new console hasn't been out in over half a decade is nothing unexpected. (And, conversely, that having a software fall-off year-over-year from a year where a major multiplatform release dropped during the month to a year where one did not is similarly to be expected and barely noteworthy.)

The "bloodbath" comments are mostly due to the fact that (post-Titanfall) it was basically expected that if the $399 Dis-Kinect XB1 couldn't take a month, there's little chance of the NA gap ever closing, which is ruinously bad when you consider the massive worldwide disparity shown in Sony's 10,000,000 milestone announcement.

 

[HORRORSHØW]

?

 

[DaSorcerer7]

No pie for vita

 

[Toki767]

?

Looks right to me. Kind of trying to figure out if the Wii U and 3DS are switchable, but I doubt the Wii U outsold the 3DS. Unless there is no 3DS in that chart and the sliver is really the Wii.

 

[Phlebas]

No pie for vita

He's Dead, Jim.

 

[anderedna]

Vita uncharted

 

[Kysen]

One only had to look at the amazon rankings, white destiny bundle cutting the ps4 total.

 

[Frillen]

17k for the Vita?! Wasn't it restocked a bit in July? I think it's time conclude though: It's not selling poorly because it's out of stock. It's out of stock because it's selling poorly.

 

[donny2112]

That one's pretty easy.

I agree. Here's what I get for numbers from that.

PS4 - 135 degrees = 187K (basis)
WIU - 58.1 degrees = 80.5K (matches)
XB1 - 94.6 degrees = 131K (matches)
PS3 - 23.4 degrees = 32.4K
WII - 10 degrees = 13.9K
360 - 38.9 degrees = 53.9K

Or

1. PS4 - 187K
2. XB1 - 131K
3. 3DS (probably)
4. Wii U - 80.5K
5. 360 - 53.9K
6. PS3 - 32.4K
7. PSV - 16K

 

[MrBambinoDent]

Nothing new here, I just wanna know Xbone's numbers compared to the 10M milestone for PS4!

 

[Foshy]

17k for the Vita?! Wasn't it restocked a bit in July? I think it's time conclude though: It's not selling poorly because it's out of stock. It's out of stock because it's selling poorly.

Strange conclusion. How can it sell more than what was in stock?

I mean it's obvious that demand isn't big, but it seems to be at least higher than supply at the moment.

 

[Ottoni_Bastos]

So Xone still < 5 million? or finally crossed?

 

[donny2112]

Reposting for new page.

That one's pretty easy.

I agree. Here's what I get for numbers from that.

PS4 - 135 degrees = 187K (basis)
WIU - 58.1 degrees = 80.5K (matches)
XB1 - 94.6 degrees = 131K (matches)
PS3 - 23.4 degrees = 32.4K
WII - 10 degrees = 13.9K
360 - 38.9 degrees = 53.9K

Or

1. PS4 - 187K
2. XB1 - 131K
3. 3DS (probably)
4. Wii U - 80.5K
5. 360 - 53.9K
6. PS3 - 32.4K
7. PSV - 16K
8. Wii - 13.9K

 

[Llamadeus]

One only had to look at the amazon rankings, white destiny bundle cutting the ps4 total.

As of right now the PS4 by itself is outselling the Destiny (Sept) bundle. The CoD:AW (Nov) and Sunset Overdrive (Oct) bundles for the Xbox One are both ahead of the console itself, and the Madden (Aug) Bundle seems to be doing poorly.

I have no idea how to interpret any of that however, lol. Amazon charts are funky.