LifEndz
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Same price and no promos anywhere near what MS is doing. I wonder what made so many 360 owners opt for it over the one. Was it MS failures in X1 pricing and architecture?
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NPD Sales Results for June 2015 [Up2: Batman, Splatoon]
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Same price and no promos anywhere near what MS is doing. I wonder what made so many 360 owners opt for it over the one. Was it MS failures in X1 pricing and architecture?
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*raises hand...
As much as I am a Sony fan I stayed getting every Nintendo home console created...in the US. I havent missed a beat from the NES to now.
I dont think all of the Wii base went mobile. I dont believe you buy CoD, Madden on the Wii then go all in on mobile. Manhunt 2 Wii? Yea...I think I will just play Angry Birds for the next 5 years...
I agree with those that say those folks are on PS4, XBO now. May have been already last gen and just made a total switch this gen (Wii being bought by those that had a PS3 or 360)
Maybe the Wii Fit, Sports crowd went mobile. Looking at the sales of those games...it almost aligns with the drop from Wii to Wii U in console sales.
IMO they lost the Wii Fit, Sports crowd. If Wii Sports Club U, Wii Fit U didnt sell well on the Wii U...there you go. I think Wii Sports, Wii Fit alone may have sold as much as the Wii console.
Every successful console has a casual audience. That's why GTA and Call of Duty sell as well as they do. But if I had to pick one console who suffered the most from it's primary audience leaving console gaming entirely, it'd be the Wii.
You're wrong and simplifying this way too much.
Mr Moose
Member
Doesn't Space Cheese help us out, too?
That's probably true, but I was commenting on your second sentence because a decent part of the PS2 audience probably didn't move on to one of the HD twins.
Obliterator
Member
No doubt. Any console that sells shit loads has what I call the "broad demographic". Gamers that aren't on forums, dont buy more than a couple games a year like Madden, COD, etc.
This issue for Nintendo is the Wii reached a segment of the market that was literally untouched and still isn't really in the console space. Elderly people were buying it and having bowling parties. Soccer Moms were buying it and doing Wii Fit.
The Wii was the biggest outlier in the history of this industry. That doesn't make it a bad thing by any means but it was largely a very unique and hard to replicate consumer source.
Welfare
Member
I had all 3! (PS2, Xbox, Gamecube)
CosmicQueso
Member
Lego Dimensions could be a monster. Or terrible. Or both.
I'm guessing 9/1 likely gets some midnight retail openings which help... and it's hard to read if Konami is even going to support MGS all that much. Yeah, MGS will get the core MGS fanbase, but how many new players will it attract? Max is potentially more mass market, especially after the film. If they stick to the date, that'd be my guess why.
Not really their style.
PeregrinSe7en
Member
Xbone reveal and the hubris that came afterwards.
CaviarMeths
Member
Splatoon has to be coming up on 1.5mil WW including digital. Wonder if we'll get a PR soon. It's going to be the best selling Wii U game not starring Mario before we even get to the holidays.
Obliterator
Member
They've started hosting conferences at the GS Expo so it could be coming if they continue the momentum.
CosmicQueso
Member
Big if.
Obliterator
Member
Very true of course. But they are gaining momentum. I would not be surprised if they are a top end publisher 5 years from now.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I am not using casual at all. I been in gaming long enough to know casual is the majority if your market.
What a lot of us are saying and the most who purchased it, were not even "gamers" at all.
Because they sure as shit didn't migrate to the Wii U, PS4 or the Xbox en mass like it was on the Wii. Also most casuals keep a system selling for almost 10 years (PSOne/2/3) where is the Wii beyond 5?
I admit, I am oversimplifying. Typing on my phone. But I hope we are smart enough to fill in the fine details as well. But it isn't wrong. PS2 was a gaming juggernaut that lasted 10 years. You can't compare it to the jump off after 5 the Wii had. It wasn't the same audience.
Looking at PS2's userbase, combined, the GC cornered about 11% of the market WW. (22M GC's vs. 201M consoles sold total). It's probably even worse than the Wii U at the moment.
Gaming took off shortly after the rise of the smartphone. Smartphones began to become easily accessible, and with that, the game market began to grow as well.
I think most people were buying Mario games and Wii shovelware. Wii Sports did 83M, Wii Play did 28M (that free Wiimote tho), Wii Fit did 22M. Hell, even crappy Wii Party did 8M.
TheXfactor
Member
it wasn't just casuals that left, it was everyone. im not sure how some people cant see this but they literally did everything wrong from a hardcore perspective and a casual perspective. The wii had a very diverse audience, not just casuals. They did not do one thing right in terms of marketing the wii u.
idk why people just cant accept the answer that nintendo fucked up, and didn't fuck up last gen. be honest with you i dont even know what we are arguing now
CosmicQueso
Member
Sure... but we all know the names of the people who run Activision, EA and Ubisoft. Does anyone know the name of the person running WB Games right now? That's all I'm saying... not really their style to put out the publisher over the brands and titles. More participation with the first party conferences? Absolutely, get the devs (talent) out front and center. But an ego show for the exec team isn't really how that studio rolls.
theprodigy
Member
So I'm curious, when do we get shipment figures from Sony/MS/Nintendo?
They might do a one-off year, like Bethesda. Beth said they probably won't have one next year.
So maybe if they have some big things to announce and talk about.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Sure they were...and who are you to say they are not? The played video games on Wii. They're gamers. Many of them migrated to games on smart phones. Some of them migrated to 360 with Kinect. Some of them bought a PS4. They were gamers when they played on Wii and they're gamers now. Nintendo failed at bringing those people over to Wii U because that system is about as undesirable a product as you can make. For a non-traditional gamer though, smartphones are incredibly desirable. It's really not even remotely surprising why many who bought the Wii are playing on their phones and tablets now. The games that appealed to them on Wii are best played on those devices in 2015. The Wii was the ultimate gateway to modern "casual" gaming on mobile and tablet devices. Most Wii owners haven't stopped gaming.
Cool Tools
Member
If you check around there are some great deals on the PS4 right now, they are just not directly from Sony. Newegg Ebay shop had the PS4 TLOU:R bundle with an extra controller and a year of PS+ for $399. Right now Best buy is including a free silver headset with the purchase of any PS4 console. Walmart has both PS4 bundles plus two games of your choice for $433.99. They aren't officially from sony, but if you look around you can find a deal. I took the plunge this month, after deciding it didn't want to wait for a black friday bunduru to get a PS4.
Welfare
Member
Diane Nelson? Or was it David Haddad? It's one of them but I don't want to cheat and look it up.
Obliterator
Member
Nah but they all start somewhere. WB Games 5 years ago was NOWHERE near what it is now. Extrapolate another 5.
Dying Light franchise
Shadows of Mordor franchise
Batman / DC Games
Mortal Kombat franchise
Witcher 4 (may publish the next one as well. This time maybe globally)
These are big titles that will be / most likely will be coming from them in the future. Create a couple more large franchises and they are right there with everyone else.
I think WB is a big player in the AAA space. One thats only getting stronger as well. Every title they published this year over performed.
Also yes, WB like to put the devs on stage at their conferences so Ive been told. Maybe thats how they would handle an E3 showing
The_lascar
Member
July 21 for Microsoft
July 29 for Nintendo (if there is no delay)
July 30 for Sony.
Spieler Eins
Member
In particular in the west, 3DS probably constitutes the general Nintendo fanbase that's still left.
Problem with the WiiU is, it doesn't even cater to standard Nintendo fans. The library is completely unexciting to anyone who already had an original Wii or 3DS, there's barely any unique or ambitious content, plus for the first time literally no 3rd party support. And it's expensive, because of a gimmick they've clearly put no more than two minutes of thought into.
In fact, the two WiiU titles in the OP are the only relative success stories of the console right now because they are the only ones that aren't the most generic rehashes from the Wii/3DS libraries (plus not niche like Bayonetta), but clearly experiences you can only get on WiiU - even if it only comes from great new graphics in MK8, but that's already more than what most WiiU content offered up until now. So, a console with only 2 titles to write home about after two and a half years really isn't showing how small the Nintendo audience is, but just that WiiU is a bad machine that already sold more than it ever deserved.
CaviarMeths
Member
You're asking people on a site with thousands of American/Canadian users "who even bought a Gamecube?" in an NPD thread and the answer is a lot of us. It was a relatively popular console in North America. The original Xbox did alright here too.
Sony 30/07
Nintendo 29/07
Microsoft 21/07
Edit: What lascar posted
The Xbox actually sold 23% more units LTD than the Gamecube in the US
CosmicQueso
Member
Throw Lego on that pile. It's a much bigger business than we recognize here.
Maybe that's how they'd do it. Will be interesting to watch what happens with Dimensions (which is a huge, enormous bet) and also to see what kind of slate will get out next year.
Holy hyperbole Batman
Obliterator
Member
Yeah good call on Lego. Also who knows Mad Max may end up big for them too. Also the Lego Dimensions gamble.
Its an interesting debate and you could be right or me, thats the fun of it. I could see it landing either way really. But if they have a couple more franchises gain some momentum I could see an E3 show happening at some point in the future.
This is some serious posting here. The 2 minute claim made me say dayyyum!!
Welfare
Member
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Flukes.
Awesome games.
Baroquemantic
Member
That would actually be pretty awesome now that I think about it. It could include characters from all the different musou games too.
Lego: Musou Universe
Throw it on the pile, it's all shovelware.
I got this for Christmas one year. Why???
CosmicQueso
Member
Wait, there are characters in those games? (Never played one, is there a musou for babies game?) Hyurlerlue Warriors?
Ninjago doesn't get that itch eh?
Ah both consoles had batman.
Both had bundles as well, though the Xbox bundle was only for a week.
Mobile games before mobile games took off.
All this Nintendog shaming is harsh, yo.
I loved Nintendogs.
Make sure you only show him the good ones
I loved Nintendogs.
Make sure you only show him the good ones
You never played a musou game?
Come with me, I have much to show you!
Thanks haha
The Mad Draklor
Member
I actually want to see this happen and will buy it regardless if it'll be good or not just for kicks xD
OrbitalBeard
Member
Wii Sports and Nintendogs...maybe. Nintendogs more so.
Wii Sports Resort is a genuinely fantastic arcade experience and one of the best games Nintendo developed during the Wii era. It's wonderful in pretty much every way and far from a mobile-like experience.
It was a truly unique, fresh concept and the hate it gets from some in the "core" community is pathetic.