Regret Upon Approval
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I'd rather efforts ala Scalebound. In that making titles happen, rather than timed exclusivity.
Fund AC7 proper or something Spencer, timed exclusives just annoy a bunch of people.
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NPD Sales Results for March 2015 [Up1: Nintendo numbers, PS4 placing]
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I'd rather efforts ala Scalebound. In that making titles happen, rather than timed exclusivity.
Fund AC7 proper or something Spencer, timed exclusives just annoy a bunch of people.
StealthGoblin
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Just to be clear, I didn't say that Microsoft are behind that £229. My point is that their incredibly deep retailer incentive deals make prices like that possible. £229 wouldn't have been possible without the massive cuts from £430 we started with.
It'll be interesting to see what Sony do this Xmas. They have a price-cut coming but it'll be interesting to see how much they push bundles.
travisbickle
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There won't be an XB1 revision, the console is not hitting the milestones to make it cost effective. They wouldn't even prolong production of a white version of the current model, I don't think MS are willing to re-tool factories for a new model.
Well to be honest a lot of that £430 came from kinect, though it's kind of hard to follow since we've had a lot of smaller price cuts leading up to kinects removal (430>400>350>329 and now 300, with kinects removal bringing the console £350 to £329 I think?), while the official price cut from kinect was really nothing compared to what US got, it's probably safe to say they were taking the previous 3 price cuts into consideration when doing that due to how small the official price cut was.
I agree. This holiday should be exciting, especially if Sony cuts the price of PS4. If they cut it to $299 aswell as battlefront & possibly BO3 marketing and possibly an uncharted trilogy release, MS could be in serious trouble. Though If that happens I think they'll just eat a huge... no, massive loss and sell the console at $250, even then I'm still not sure if it'd be guaranteed to take home NPD so it could even get much worse (or better for customers, I suppose). The only thing I am sure of is MS will win October, November & December NPD. There is no way MS is giving those months up, even if they have to give the console away for free they probably would if things get that desperate.
Sony has been on the money with marketing deals this gen though while MS has flopped hard on that front. I mean Watch dogs, Destiny, Battlefront and now they may even have Black Ops 3? god damn. Whoever's in charge of getting those at Sony is pulling some serious strings.
Yeah. The game is still gonna lean Microsoft's way even if they lose advertising rights. It's like how Final Fantasy and Metal Gear will do better on Playstation even if MS had co-marketing
Problem is MGS and FF are japanese franchise. You know how japanese games are selling on Xbone.
How about Witcher 3? Retailer insiders here said that Witcher 3 has a higher preorders for PS4.
I'm under the impression that Microsoft are losing money on the Xbox One in the UK based on what i've been told and at the moment they're just going after install base numbers.
Now I work for a telecommunications research company in the UK so probably not the most reliable guy to say this but I do hear tidbits about other industries from time to time. But dont take my word as definitive. Just what i've heard.
Now I work for a telecommunications research company in the UK so probably not the most reliable guy to say this but I do hear tidbits about other industries from time to time. But dont take my word as definitive. Just what i've heard.
demigod
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Activison losing out on free money, are you nuts?!?
Alex_Mexico
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What's this "Microsoft is loosing CoD marketing deal" I'm reading? What's the source or leak that make you think that? I cannot even imagine CoD partnerinf with Playstation at this point after so many years of Xbox association.
Yeah, I agree. Close to 10 years of brand association isn't going to completely vanish if it's actually true that there's a deal in place.
Doctor_Thomas
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Assassin's Creed partnered with Microsoft last year and, I'm fairly certain, that was aways PS3 led.
Not to mention, Final Fantasy XIII had it's lead advertising on 360.
PoweredByHentai
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The whole NuAd thing has always seemed odious to me. I don't particularly mind being recommended games that are similar to what I have purchased. However, I do take offense at being given suggestions that are based on what I look like and what I have in my environment, especially suggestions that are completely unrelated to the intended use of the console.
Grimgrillz
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UK and across Europe. I live in the UK and the PS4 is frequently sold out in certain stores. I regularly game with Europeans German, Italian, etc and often (especially my German comrades) talk about PS4 being hard to find.
I also went to Game (UK store) last weekend, where the manager told me and "can't get them in fast enough." I'll put my hands up early and say this is all anecdotal evidence but even amazon.com has been frequently running out of PS4 stock over the two - three weeks.
To the point where right now you can't buy a standard PS4 unit new from amazon. They only have used consoles to sell.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BGA9WK2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
There isn't a stock issue. Sony have it very much under control in regards to worldwide stock.
amazon.com isn't an issue as the standard PS4 unit is now the one with TLOU bundled in.
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I honestly thought that you were kidding until I took a look at Amazon myself.
I'm guessing it might have something to do with Spring Break?
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Oh yeah, that's a very good point. The Amazon listing for the TLOU bundle shows it being available.
JustinBbad
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Absolutely. I hate seeing money spent to prevent games/content from being available on another system. If Sony or Microsoft funds a game to allow for its development at all, then by all means, make it exclusive.
Since when is COD heavily associated with Xbox. The commercials are but the sales aren't. Only the first few years was it heavily in favor of Xbox and that could be chalked up to the chasm in sales between the 360 and ps3 at the time. Its nothing like FF where sales are not in line with the difference in user base. COD sales are pretty much right in line with the difference in user base. Frankly I don't understand why either MS or Sony pay for advertising for COD it doesn't lean the sales one way or the other significantly and everyone knows it comes out on everything.
PoweredByHentai
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The association stuff doesn't matter worldwide. However, it does matter for the US/North American market which is where the heaviest fight is, especially for the COD franchise.
There's not true. Advanced Warfare XBO sku is ahead of PS4 on NPD when almost all multiplat games sold more on PS4. Don't know currently Ghosts situation but XBO sku was ahead too.
What are the US splits by platform? Does it really sell that much more on Xbox now? If so I can see the advantage but if the splits are fairly close it is arguable it doesn't matter much this gen.
And we can pretty sure COD:AW still selling tons on PS4 in North America to date. Each NPD until March 2015 shows that it sold more on PS4 if i am not mistaken.
In the USA the Xbox One version likely sold the same or a bit better.
Worldwide it's a different story.
You are mistaken.
I would say that it has been since at least 2007 -- Possibly earlier than that considering Call of Duty 2 was an Xbox 360 launch title.
It's not just about sales. Xbox Live and the whole "Xbox, Mountain Dew, Doritos, dudebro gamer (lol)" culture went hand in hand pretty well with Call of Duty causing it to be further associated with the Xbox brand outside of just the DLC deals and commercials.
I don't think MS needs to pay for it anymore simply due to the Xbox brand having a lot of association with COD already. I also feel that it isn't necessary for Sony to grab it because of that reason too. The money in both cases could be spent on better deals in my opinion -- marketing for new entries in popular series that don't have yearly releases or new AAA IPs that may possibly be highlights when looking back at this current gen.
Actually march was the first month when Advanced Warfare sold more on PS4 since launch.
X1 had COD bundles, 1 tera byte (ugly COD skin though imo) and download code for CODAW
So what do we do now.....
Doctor_Thomas
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I heard Microsoft are getting exclusive marketing rights to, I dunno, the new Deus Ex probably.
Idk... I guess I said that because I don't want to jinx it, I want it on ps4, but I'll go where the maps release first (only because it's a treyarch game)
I think Sony needs to re-evaluate EA Access, we can talk about that
StealthGoblin
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Sony has that.
PoweredByHentai
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The same thing we do every night, Zhuge, try to TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
EDIT:
In case people didn't get the reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPFSNu_QNs
Doctor_Thomas
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Serously? Does Sony just have exclusive marketing on most of the big games coming out?
StealthGoblin
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This year they have MGS5, Star Wars: Battlefront, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, Batman: Arkham Knight, Project Cars etc. Call of Duty is a rumour.
Exclusive console launches include No Man's Sky, The Witness, Day of the Tentacle SE etc.
Grimgrillz
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It'd make perfect sense seeing as PS4 is dominating the EU hardware sales by a huge margin.
How much more ahead it for sure isn't a 3:1 ratio like Ff. It's pretty evenly split. The exclusive advertising doesn't seem to be worth it. And this month COD sold more on PS4. Hardline has also sold more on X1. Exclusive advertising with established multiplats seems like a losing endeavor.
@bgamer90 if all that association doesn't reflect in a large sales gap in COD I just don't think it's worth it. Better to spend the money promoting a new ip.
Doctor_Thomas
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They are seriously hitting the marketing deals.
If they get Call of Duty, that means they had both Battlefield and CoD in the same year, which is pretty crazy.
StealthGoblin
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Which is exactly what Microsoft had at the Xbox Launch when EA were cosying up to them.
They let FIFA and Assassins Creed go and have seemingly invested elsewhere.
When you consider they have/had marketing deals for:
Watch Dogs
Destiny
Battlefield: Hardline
Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor
Alien: Isolation
The Elder Scrolls Online
Far Cry 4
Grand Theft Auto 5
Project Cars
Batman: Arkham Knight
Metal Gear Solid 5
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
Star Wars: Battlefront
Their marketing team is working overdrive.
I wonder whether Bethesda will stick with Microsoft for Fallout 4
Doctor_Thomas
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Interesting. I had kind of forgot about launch, because I don't think it really made any sort of difference to software sales.
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Considering the install base deficit, if CoD sells more on Xbox it shows that there is brand association. It isn't on the level of Final Fantasy and Playstation, but it is there
Yes worldwide it's a different story, but this is about the US market. Personally I don't see the point in nabbing exclusive advertising for games like CoD, Battlefield, GTA and Assassin's Creed. They release so regularly and everywhere that people aren't fooled into thinking it's an exclusive. Better off with newer or returning IP's like Titanfall, Destiny, Watch Dogs and Battlefront.
You can also count MKX.
spatenfloot
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Make bets about eating various articles of clothing!
Steverulez
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Do we know this for sure? I hadn't seen anything
HowardRoark
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Wait, Smash 3DS sold better than Smash Wii U?
Well we can always talk about the third console curse.
Xbox One, PS3, Nintendo 64, Sega Saturn, Atari 5200. All failed to be leaders in their respective generations.
Oh man I remember this show from years back. Used to watch it a few times!
What has Sony done with Project Cars and Alien Isolation?