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NPD Sales Results for May 2007
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Yoboman
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Wii Sports could be created on any system with an alternate control scheme. It's the Wiimote that makes it unique, people are buying Wii's to play games with the Wiimote. Why are you even arguing this fact? It's not meant to be an insult, don't get your panties bunched upStormbringer said:
Magicpaint
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Actually, PSP hardware sales have been quite consistent YOY. It had a great launch like almost every system does, but it was never in a real dominant position, nothing remotely comparable to the way Wii is steamrolling the competition at the moment.Yoboman said:
Merovingian
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legend166 said:
We will see. Again, i'm not saying it is, if you guys weren't so uptight you would read my post, and realize i'm not saying it is, i'm saying maybe it is, who knows, but i'm not putting my $ on it.
And i don't understand how people want to use history as a back up when the situation we find ourselfs in is a new thing in this industry.
I wanna see what will happen from this fall till the next with the 360 and Ps3 dropping in price and having the amazing lineup that they are going to have this fall.
I wanna see what kind of system the Wii will turn out to be in the end.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
I wish I could enjoy the Wii, everything next gen will be motion controlled, looks like I need to go PC only or find a new hobby (because I have a balance disorder).
Starchasing
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Yoboman said:
The keyword is synergy
Merovingian said:
I think the 360 has secured itself a nice spot in the States, but it's increasingly believable that the PS3 will never be anything but irrelevant, like the Gamecube was, and its father before it.
As for history, you could look at what happened with the DS and PSP, since I think it's safe to say we're still in that era of change. The PSP had an amazing lineup going from its US launch all the way to March 2006 a year later. But the DS still outsold the PSP during its March extravaganza blowout month with just Super Princess Peach and Metroid Prime Hunters.
The Dreamcast had a killer lineup in 2000.
The Gamecube had the highest rated game of 2002 in November.
Sometimes, people just don't ****ing care.
Merovingian said:
The situation really isn't that unheard of. On one hand you have the company that was on top for two generations so they got cocky and thought they could dictate what the market wanted, rather than the other way around. Then, you've got the company who is taking the market in another direction than what has already been established.
Sound familiar?
Stormbringer
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Yoboman said:
What I'm arguing is your assertion that people are not buying the game itself but only the promise to be able to play with the Wiimote, even though it's clear that the game, the interface used for the game and used to elaborate the game's control scheme are one and only one package, branded under the same name : Wii Sports. This is what people are buying ; Wii Sports, the game.
I don't think anyone is getting uptight here but I'd love to hear a more fleshed out discussion with any kind of evidence / past examples to back up the argument that Wii is going to suddenly fall of the face of the planet in 2008.
I think the exact opposite will happen personally. Once Nintendo gets their second batch of games out on Wii, that are full Wii games from day one and not Gamecube throwovers, AND the newfound Nintendo 3rd party love fest translates into actual games I believe the Wii is going to continue to skyrocket in sales worldwide.
I think the exact opposite will happen personally. Once Nintendo gets their second batch of games out on Wii, that are full Wii games from day one and not Gamecube throwovers, AND the newfound Nintendo 3rd party love fest translates into actual games I believe the Wii is going to continue to skyrocket in sales worldwide.
Princess Peach said:
http://www.vooks.net/modules.php?module=article&id=11862
They appointed Princess Peach as this month's NPD press release write! :lol
Merovingian said:
I can tell you this after dealing with customers since the Wii launch last year and getting at least 7 calls asking if there are Wiis in stock and thats excluding the people that ask when they come into the store... The Wii will be sold out for the rest of the year on a continuous basis. Also these people are not Nintendo fans its slowly moved from them buying the system which I can account for due to the customers to the moms and pops buying the system. Also alot of young college students seem to be really into it mainly the girlfriends of guy gamers.
Thats what Ive received from my observations...lots of people have come in to the store never owning anything but a PS2 or a GBA sp asking for a Wii...its not just Nintendo fans. I know In this time Ive worked at two different stores and this may not give what is generally happening this is what I see everyday.
Merovingian
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AniHawk said:
I think handhelds are very different, Nintendo has been the only player on it since like ever.
Basically, it's like entering into Nintendo's house and try to sway people away from nintendo. I mean, i thought the PSP was going to bomb, i didn't think it would even sell. I was like "Wtf are these guys thinking?", and the whole concept is horrible for an handheld, even thought i own one (a DS too) - (funny thing, both just broke :_( the psp doesn't read games, and the DS has the Screen all ****ed up, i think it was the cleaning lady!) - a home console in handheld form..doesn't sound like a winner. The DS would allways be a success, i think the handheld market can't be compared.
And the Ps2 is still selling alot, i mean, it just prooves that price is a pretty big deal, and i have a hard time believing that gamers, the gamers that are from the playstation era, will simply swap to a system so radically different as the Wii.
That happens in Japan because gaming is been on a decline for a long time. I think Wii is simply, finding its own market. And let's cut the bullshit, some of you laugh now at the "MS and Sony saying Wii is on a different market", but Nintendo themselfs, and nintendo fans were saying exactly that before the launch, that the Wii wouldn't be in direct competition with the Ps3 and 360, so they didn't matter.
And i bet my house that if the Wii was selling worse...that's exactly the line that would be delivered these days by nintendo fans.
I think it still holds weight. I don't see for example, any Pro Evolution or Fifa fan jumping to the Wii, doesn't make sense. Or gta for example.
Like the post above me, we are seeing new people apparently buying the system. which / the argument about just being Nintendo Fans jumping ship.
legend166 said:
Lol, comparing N64/PS? Man, be serious.
The Lillster
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AniHawk said:
Maybe Gamecube wasn't as successful as Xbox or PS2, but their are still some pretty awesome games on there, just like there was on N64.
And that's one of the main reasons why I want a PS3 and Xbox 360. Just because their not successful sales wise, doesn't mean their not gonna have good games that I enjoy.
No you are right it is a different market...as its a market that neither the 360 or the PS3 can reach as they dont have the price or the games for the market Nintendo has...but that is fine as a hardcore system and a casual system can coexist just fine the companies at war here are Sony and Microsoft.Merovingian said:
Starchasing
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capslock said:
One of the best PR ive ever seen.
Synergy
Starchasing
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jmdajr said:
I plan to use my future one to play SNES games on the go.
The Lillster
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jmdajr said:
Probably because everyone uses ISO'.
I think if it wasn't for PSP being so easily hacked early in its life, it would probably be doing a lot better software wise.
The Lillster
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jmdajr said:
That's not neccesarily a bad thing though (well not for me anyway), as I would have sold my PSP a long time ago if it wasn't for homebrew and custom firmware.
The PSP is doing alright for itself (although apparently people don't actually purchase games for it), but it's bullshit to say that people expected it to turn out like it did. Before launch, the consensus was that the PSP was going to murder the DS in it's sleep. People were saying that the DS was going to be the death of Nintendo, because they had lost the home console market and were about to lose the portable market.
All of this hindsight "Nintendo always rules the handheld market, I never thought this would be any different" posturing is ridiculous.
It's just as ridiculous that people are saying the Wii is only selling because it's cheap. Yeah, that strategy worked out astoundingly well for the Gamecube, amirite? If anything, being "cheap" can be a negative factor if the public perceives your product as being worth less than the competition.
All of this hindsight "Nintendo always rules the handheld market, I never thought this would be any different" posturing is ridiculous.
It's just as ridiculous that people are saying the Wii is only selling because it's cheap. Yeah, that strategy worked out astoundingly well for the Gamecube, amirite? If anything, being "cheap" can be a negative factor if the public perceives your product as being worth less than the competition.
Starchasing
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The Lillster said:
I think that it would be the other way, hardware sales would been worse...
Sho_Nuff82
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360 owners can take solace in the fact that 3rd party sales are as strong as ever...in terms of support, at the end of the day that's all that will ever matter.
As I've been saying for months, until we see some hardcore 360 flops (as opposed to say, Guitar Hero 2 closing in on 700k SHOOTERBOX CONFIRMED), MS' 3rd party support isn't going anywhere, it's already established itself as a consistent moneymaker.
As I've been saying for months, until we see some hardcore 360 flops (as opposed to say, Guitar Hero 2 closing in on 700k SHOOTERBOX CONFIRMED), MS' 3rd party support isn't going anywhere, it's already established itself as a consistent moneymaker.
I love the whole, selling to a different market, theory. I know I've said this numerous times here before. They might be selling to a different segment of the consumer market, but Nintendo/Sony/MS are all selling to EXACTLY the same developers. Make games for our system. Developers will always go where the userbase is. The better technology in the gamecube and xbox didn't make developers want to make games for exclusively for them rather then ps2.
Another fact that seems to escape peoples attention is that developers are not out to make pretty games, compelling characters or sweeping storylines. Developers are in this business for one reason and one reason only, to MAKE MONEY. Good visuals, great stories, fascinating characters are all simply vehicles that they use to make you the consumer part with your hard earned cash. If developers can push out any half baked crap and still sell loads of titles of course they will do it. Look what ubi are doing on wii and ds. Of course they will cater to the still large segment of the market that are tempted by nice graphics, but they certainly aren't going to look at a gift horse in the mouth.
Whilst this industry is about entertainment, its just like everything else, it all comes down to money and profit margin, and always will.
Another fact that seems to escape peoples attention is that developers are not out to make pretty games, compelling characters or sweeping storylines. Developers are in this business for one reason and one reason only, to MAKE MONEY. Good visuals, great stories, fascinating characters are all simply vehicles that they use to make you the consumer part with your hard earned cash. If developers can push out any half baked crap and still sell loads of titles of course they will do it. Look what ubi are doing on wii and ds. Of course they will cater to the still large segment of the market that are tempted by nice graphics, but they certainly aren't going to look at a gift horse in the mouth.
Whilst this industry is about entertainment, its just like everything else, it all comes down to money and profit margin, and always will.
milanbaros
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Is it possible to make worldwide PS3-GCN comparisons up to June-02 and Jun-07? The PS3 was launched 2 months earlier than the GCN in Europe but the GCN had a 2month head start in Japn, so it should generally balance out. Neither had supply issues.
I'll have a look now but does anyone have fairly accurate figures to hand?
I'll have a look now but does anyone have fairly accurate figures to hand?
Merovingian
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santouras said:
Not developers, Publishers. And as we have seen, things are simply splitting, teams for Next gen, and Teams for The wii.
That's what we are and will keep seeing.
Merovingian
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santouras said:
Forever, until the next batch of consoles. That's how it works, because the market asks.
Don't worry, the Wii keeps winning Dev support, it's just that the other consoles aren't exactly loosing.
Different markets.
And it's not like the Wii is asking for sofisticated games, and that's the whole point, making games for the Wii is easy and cheap. That's the whole premise on the Dev side. Because all it needs is that fun gameplay with the waggle.TheKingsCrown
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So, is the only reason the 360 hasn't received a price drop is because PS3 hasn't received one? It seems like 360 and PS3 are locked in a struggle of prices.
I think it wont fall off the edge of the planet as the PS3 wont fall off the edge of the planet.Razoric said:
The question is how many buy the Wii for its software potential and how many just bought it just as "Wii Sports Player" and will continue to buy only the likes of Wii Play, Mario Party etc.
And the Wii love on developer side, at least at what the signs are pointing right now, is rather about producing cheap games fast and not about making quality software with great production value.
Thats why I personally rather spend $600 and wait another two years for a real successor to RE4 than to play a 'best of RE' railshooter. And I think thats a general problem of the Wii, people might not be able to see the difference HD makes or AA or advanced shaders. But they know the difference between mulit million dollar productions and 'this was really cheap and fast to develop'
Just my opinion and as I said I dont think it will make the difference who falls of the edge of the planet because I dont see the real competition of 'I buy the one and wont get the other' between Wii and PS3 and even less between Wii and 360
Merovingian
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TheKingsCrown said:
Yeah i would say so. As Peter moore said, 360 received a price drop when the price of the Ps3 was announced, now they will probably drop the price when the Ps3 drops the price.
Starchasing
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quetz67 said:
PS3 is selling like crap, it wont sell like that forever. It will happen just like the gamecube it will get some boosts here and there. Dont worry
I honestly don't think so. We already know that 360/PS3 games have much higher development costs then wii and the last gen of consoles, which mean that the really big, graphically intense games like the MGS/FF/GTA kind of games will only be made by developers that have large backing from a big publisher, simply because a small publisher could never fund such a game.Merovingian said:Forever, until the next batch of consoles. That's how it works, because the market asks.
Now I was wrong, the devs might like to create art, but the publishers, they really only want their money. So you have a situation where a large team is needed to create a ps360 game but no publisher will want to touch it because the ps360 userbase is too small. Now the same developer can pitch to the same publisher to make 2 games for wii using the same amount staff, hitting a marketbase 2 times bigger, with 1/4 of the budget, developed in half the time. Which project do you think they are going greenlight?
The big boys, the ubi/ea/activision will support ps360, in much the same way as GC saw limited support from these guys in its time. But anyway that thinks in 3 years time that the wii is going to be receiving any less then 50%, even higher, of developer support is simply kidding themselves. This industry has always been completely dominated by one player with one or two others living off the scraps. Thats really the only way that 3rd parties can be profitable. Its the way it always has been and its the way it will continue.
Merovingian
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Starchasing said:
This assumption is wrong. Ps3 has alot of room to drop in price, GC does not. Not to mention the appeal for a Ps3 is far greater than the appeal that existed for a GC.
Ps3 will sell much better than the GC once it's all said and done, much better.
I think this is one of the problem, people comparing PS3 to GC. It is stupid.milanbaros said:
GC had a good launch but then got crushed between a PS2 with already great suppport and xbox with better graphics, both pretty affordable after the price drop. The games drought at the same time reduced sales and that again reduced developer support (with 1st party games overshadowing 3rd party in sales and quality).
PS3 is so totally different. It doesnt make sense for developers to cancel PS3 support. It might lose exclusives, but the high dev costs of next gen games cant be burdened on the 360 alone, so PS3 support wont be pulled. Add to that the strong Sony 1st/2nd party support that Sony will rather increase with less 3rd party exclusives.
People seem to believe we will see a switch from 125M PS2 / 25M GC to 25M PS3 / 125M Wii. What I expect is the market to expand like the handheld market (100M GBA vs. maybe 150M DS + 50M PSP) and we end up at 100M PS3 / 100M Wii (plus whatever the 360 may sell)
Sho_Nuff82
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santouras said:
Sales will win battles, but it won't necessarily be hardware sales. There's a reason that the DS hasn't seen overwhelming Western dev support, despite crushing the PSP in PAL and NA.
The 360 userbase is barely 6 million in NA, and it's holding up nearly every significant HD 3rd party release on its own. If/when Sony finally gets their act together, that's a pretty big market of hardcore gamers to sell to.
I hate to go down this road, but don't you think it's telling that despite "Nintendomination" and the monster sales of Mario Party 8, the 360 version of Spiderman 3 completely destroyed the other two, selling comparably to the PS2 version over the last two months? It's not like the 360 version was good, it was a marginally better version of a universally shitty game.
Until this trend reverses, the Wii could be outselling the 360 8:1 and they still won't drop support because selling games is what matters. Wii 3rd party sales are better than PS3, and probably will remain so for quite some time, but it won't matter as long as the PS3 is a viable port platform for 360 games.
santouras said:
I'm very happy you pointed this out, because it's very, very true.
Hence, you will continue to see cash grabs like Carnival Games, My Word Coach, or Rayman Raving Rabbids 2 on the Wii, as well as games that are specifically tailored to its controller's strengths (RE: Umbrella Chronicles, Soul Calibur Legends, Rygar, Final Fantasy: CC, Chocobo Mystery Dungeon, new Gundam, Dragon Quest Swords, etc).
What you won't see, however, is GTA4, RE5, Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Half Life Orange Box, MGS4, Splinter Cell 5, Soul Calibur 4, etc, because they know there's a market for these 'traditional' games based on the last 18 months of next-gen sales, and they know that market is very, very hungry. There is no compelling reason for devs to completely abandon 360/PC as a primary platform...yet.
Starchasing
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Saitou said:
Ssssh.... i was trying to comfort him
You can compare sales, they are numbers... units sold... PS3 is selling like GC but not for long probably, its difficult to do so bad.
quetz67 said:
Cheap quick games get announced sooner. We all know that developers where (rightly) caught with their pants down regarding wii's appeal. AAA titles generally take 18-24months to be made. Its not unreasonable to assume that any really big games would only be getting greenlighted probably around now, mainly because they are a bigger risk and the publisher needs to be sure the userbase will be there to support said AAA game. Also, punching out quick, low risk games allows a developers to scout out the system and what it can and can't do.
Magicpaint
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
Yep, this makes sense.
I think a lot of the Wii crowd expecting big third party support at the expense of 360/PS3/PC support are in for a surprise. Not gonna happen if 360 software sales continue to be phenomenal.
there will always be Devs out there that want to make something graphically amazing...this is where the Wii fails and where the market divides so its not like the Wii is going to end hardcore gaming. The wii is a different enough system to garner its own special support and honestly Nintendo probably doesn't even need 3rd party support anymore because their first party stuff is out of this world sales-wise. Nintendo has single handedly brought themselves up from the dirt and is rising faster than I've ever seen any business comeback. You'll be able to get some artistically beautiful stuff on the Wii but Realistic approaching Uncanny valley aint happening on the Wii, thats where the PS3 and 360 duke it out, and PC.