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NPD Sales Results for May 2007
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Starchasing
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Yoboman said:
Probably not much. Price alone does not matter. You must also think about utility. Does a person want to own such product? Do they have enough cash? You need to have the 2 in mind.
I think when the 360 drops its price we will see a rise in sales, but not a sustained one. I think they tried to mimick the Ps2 strategy. First grab the hardcore gamers and then slowly the casual gamers with price drops.
The problem is that Wii is already at that stage. It was also designed as a casual machine, designed to appeal those people who would never touch a 360, and those are the majority of people. Since Wii is truly targeting a broader audience it will probably have broader sales even if the 360 was 199.
You must ask yourself this question. Did that many people want a Gc when it was 99 euros?
PepsimanVsJoe
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Another killer month for Nintendo.
Starchasing
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acuul said:
I dont think there will be a Nintendogs Wii.
Wii is a social games machine. I bet that almost all casual games from Nintendo will be local multiplayer. Even maybe Mario could have a co op mode. It has been showed in some videos and mentioned by Miyamoto.
The inclusion of a wiimote only mode in SSBB makes me think that they could even try to do the same with all their games.
You think this because Wii was not designed for you. I was a very lapsed gamer with a totally nongamer GF. Wii is perfect for us. It is just a matter of opinion.
titiklabingapat
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Yoboman said:
That's new. "saturate". Nice.
Starchasing
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Yoboman said:
Nintendo DS ?
titiklabingapat
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Mario Party 8 beating a hardcore game on a hardcore system kinda tells me that casuals like to buy new games once in a while. I don't think even Nintendo fans like Mario Party 8 :lolYoboman said:
Yoboman
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DS sold "okay" then spiked when the software hit. It's not the same, Wii spiked from day one. People today are playing Wii Sports and walking away impressed with something unlike anything before, but that won't be happening in a year when people are used to it.Starchasing said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Wii's fortunes are going to go sour that's unlikely, but I'm just not convinced the software they're currently showing will keep it up. It's like DS, they'll need those unique killer apps that really push it. That's not Smash Bros. or Mario Galaxy to be frank.
Everything may look different after E3
MrPing1000
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Time for some ps3forums quotes of delusion!
Definately detecting some war weariness going on. Not as hilarious as most months so far.
Definately detecting some war weariness going on. Not as hilarious as most months so far.
mr_bishiuk
Banned
imastalker co. said:
If the 360 did not already have a profitable userbase i'd agree with you.
Like it or not the Wii will always be treated as a profitable sideline, while technology on the other platforms surges forward.
Why use your best programmers, artists, sound engineers etc on the Wii? Will the best of the best even want to work on the Wii? I doubt it all that will happen is that publishers will push titles on the Wii that appeal to its demographic ie the non hardcore gamer, expect regular party games throughout its life. Those games are cheap to make and will sell well but it wont stop developers pushing back new boundries with the PS3 and 360 because they will still be able to make plenty of money.
Starchasing
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WOW , the last three post seem taken from PS3forums!!!
mr_bishiuk said:
Why would a company spend millions more on a game and use their best talent to make something for a platform with a much smaller userbase?
It's not a case of "let's do this because we'll still do okay." It's a case of "oh, well we can just make much more money on this thing."
titiklabingapat
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Yoboman said:
sigh
Starchasing
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AniHawk said:
Because of the power of the PLAYSTATION brand, i think.
Merovingian
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AniHawk said:
Because MS and Sony will make them do it. And because they still make tons of money on those games while making tons of money on cheap games for the wii too. Because the market asks for it?
And you have to take into account the will of the developers too.
And what kind of bullshit conversation is this? Some of you make it sound like there's the Wii, and then the other consoles stop existing and all the developers jump ship. :lol
mr_bishiuk
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AniHawk said:
You're assuming that developers can only make one game at a time, more likey there will be Wii games and PC/360/PS3 games, both types catering to different audiences.
tahrikmili
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The Wii is not a fad, it's actually a sign that demand for waggle really exists. However, call me delusional or whratever, but I think has a very short life expectancy. Expect MS to cut price and roll out their own motion sensing controller of some sort (possibly even just the Live Cam with some kind of motion sensing technology) and the Wii may lose all of its shine overnight.
I really don't think Wii can live long with it's graphical capabilities, never before has a console with such vastly inferior technology maintained momentum for long.
I really don't think Wii can live long with it's graphical capabilities, never before has a console with such vastly inferior technology maintained momentum for long.
Might wanna talk to your boy buishikin there about how realistic it is for third parties to largely ignore the fastest growing console maker.Merovingian said:
mr_bishiuk said:
Sure, there's the will of the developer. Tim Schafer's not going to make no stinkin' Gamecube game if he don't want to. But if the Wii does reach a level of success the PS2 had, I doubt every game would be dumbed down minigame compilations or spinoff games made by the B team. Nintendogs may have sold 14m so far, but Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin outsold Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops. Both games probably saw profit. Guess which one Konami's more happy about.
Merovingian
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AniHawk said:
Read my whole post.
And the "MS and Sony will make them do it" is about incentives. And isn't mikami at seeds? Lol funny thing, i heard Seeds is working on next gen platforms.
AniHawk said:
Oh but they won't ignore it. They will release games on it, and make tons of money. Just because devs makes tons of money on the DS, it didn't stop them from making games for other platforms.
The market asks. It's that simple, this dream that Nintendo fans have that suddenly it will be all and only on Wii is as scary as is funny.
titiklabingapat
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tahrikmili said:
Rest assured that that's now really how it works.
Yoboman
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I don't think that's quite right. Systems with inferior technology have been winning for a long time - DS is "vastly" inferior to PSP in technology yet we know the end of that result. That said however, none of those systems with inferior technology ever came out after the superior ones. I think the pressing disadvantage won't inherently be the hardware deficiency but the fact that developers are going to opt to develop for the hi-end consoles. That's why I question it's long term selling capabilitytahrikmili said:
evilromero
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Umm, NES? Came out in the early 80s (Japan) and dominated for about a decade. Vastly inferior to the SMS, Genesis and other consoles of the time.tahrikmili said:
The Lillster
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If Metroid Prime, Resi Evil, and any other 'traditional' game sells well on the Wii, why would other devs not make more 'traditional games, instead of non-games?
I ask this because, that's the only argument that seems to go against the Wii. People think because Wii software is mainly party games, hardcore games won't sell.
I ask this because, that's the only argument that seems to go against the Wii. People think because Wii software is mainly party games, hardcore games won't sell.
tahrikmili
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PkunkFury said:
It's not over yet.
Ok maybe it is. But handhelds are not video game consoles, DS has many things going for it and I think size/form factor is a great issue there. This happened before with Gameboy vs. Game Gear as well. The logic really doesn't apply to consoles IMO.
TheKingsCrown
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Merovingian said:
Who said that it would be only Wii? I am not sure any rational person on GAF thinks that.
Merovingian
Banned
May i raise a question? I know this is a long shot, and i don't put my $ on it, but...
It might just be, that right now, we are mainly seeing GC owners and Nintendo Fans jumping ship to the Wii at a faster rate than usual. The "it's a fad" perspective, may hold some ground in that regards, as we don't know what will happen say...Fall 2008, if the Wii will have that selling power of the Ps2, which lasted long.
It's almost though. Hell anyhawk just said "Why make a more expensive game for that userbase when we can make a cheaper game for that other bigger userbase?". What is that implying?
I just think it's rediculous. And i'm very very interesting to see what will happen in the next 2 years.
It might just be, that right now, we are mainly seeing GC owners and Nintendo Fans jumping ship to the Wii at a faster rate than usual. The "it's a fad" perspective, may hold some ground in that regards, as we don't know what will happen say...Fall 2008, if the Wii will have that selling power of the Ps2, which lasted long.
TheKingsCrown said:
It's almost though. Hell anyhawk just said "Why make a more expensive game for that userbase when we can make a cheaper game for that other bigger userbase?". What is that implying?
I just think it's rediculous. And i'm very very interesting to see what will happen in the next 2 years.
Merovingian said:
Relax, it's a Simpsons reference.
lololol
No, but we have been seeing a lot of ports and remakes announced for the PSP lately. Ever since the initial batch of PSP games were released, we've been seeing more and more. And now nobody makes games over $40 for the system.
Once you face the bitter truth that all you love will soon die, the healing process can begin.
tahrikmili
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Merovingian said:
Anectodal evidence but none of my friends who bought a Wii actually owned a Gamecube.
It took 17 pages, but we've finally got some stupid arguments.
I wish somebody would show me one system, just one system, where it sold like gangbusters, and then suddenly dropped like a log. If you can show me just one system that did that, I'll accept the idea that the Wii could fall off the face of the earth.
I wish somebody would show me one system, just one system, where it sold like gangbusters, and then suddenly dropped like a log. If you can show me just one system that did that, I'll accept the idea that the Wii could fall off the face of the earth.
titiklabingapat
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Merovingian said:
:lol
Well, I think we just about used every conceivable excuses now with that one/
TheKingsCrown
Banned
:lol Man, every damn week, I swear.Merovingian said:
There are not enough gamecube fans out there for this kind of sustained growth this early. I wish you could talk to Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo, because they all know that the reason Wii is selling is extremely, extremely simple:
Everyone wants it.
Or, in marketing speak:
Everyone needs it.
Merovingian
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tahrikmili said:
Anecdotal evidence, of the 27 guys i usually play with on xbox live, only 10 owned a Xbox.
But again, it was just a theory, and oviouslly, i mean "the majority of the people who are buying", not necessarily "Everyone".
Again i would not put my $ on it.
Stormbringer
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Yoboman said:
Jesus...Would it hurt you to explicitly admit that people are simply buying a game console like the Wii to play some games like Wii Sports that appeal to them ? I mean...The interface alone is absolutely useless without the game(s) that use it, so I think that it's definitily not far-fetched to assume that it's definitely the game in the end that sells the console, and not some mystical fascination for the goddamn Wiimote...
titiklabingapat
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Yoboman said:
The PS3 and the 360 aren't breathing down the Wii's neck though. Not even close.
The PSP had the DS ahead of it by just enough that it didn't really lead.