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[Finalizer]

le ebin internet maymays will now sell consoles

i don't even

 

[Plinko]

Yeah thats what I am wondering about. Why are people saying it had no effect because games only sell on the launch weekend, even after Reggie came out and said it had a large impact a week after the game went on sale, which puts it squarely in june?

Are people just choosing to ignore it to post more Wii U jokes? And also I bet PS4 is probably at like 210k sold in May, and XB1 is at 70k or so.

It probably didn't sustain the jump the entire month so i think six figures is pushing it. As for the thread responses, one is trolling hard but that's about it.

 

[Aquamarine]

Can anyone explain that 90% number? As we previously stated, the numbers just don't add up

I really, really don't think our numbers are wrong.

Creamsugar posted an updated LTD of Wii U last month:

311126442347

In other words:

3.111 million PS4, 2.644 million Xbox One, 2.347 million Wii U

That matches my records as well.


Ian Sherr fucked up somewhere.

 

[SwiftDeath]

We'll have to see how big a deal it is when LBP 3 comes out and see if it sells more on the PS3 over the PS4.

So presumably you're suggesting LBP3 is going to be getting the same sales push as a PS4 game as TF did as a XB1 game then?

 

[Interceptor]

:/

Why people keep posting Amazon numbers af if they were an accurate indicator of sales?....

Try reading the rest of the sentence.

 

[phanphare]

As somebody already posted, Polygon had an article with Nintendo saying Wii U sales quadrupled in the week after it was released. Who knows if it extended throughout the month.

there's also another article which hints that June NPDs will be competitive for Wii U compared to PS4 and X1. this article was posted on June 11 so he is probably pleased with the hardware numbers so far for June

"Q: Will you ever outsell [PS4/X1] on a monthly basis?

A: You know, it’s going to be very interesting to see the NPD data [on U.S. sales] for June."

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/brier...o-boss-on-wii-u-beating-xbox-and-playstation/

 

[Smiles and Cries]

That's surprising but do you really think that kind of thing gets people to spend $300, or do they just laugh at it on their facebook feed and move on with their lives?

stop amplifying this silly idea unless you can point out the people who seriously believe a meme is going to sell WiiUs

all I see is joke posts and trolling, I don't think it is serious
good for Media spin but I am not giving Luigi credit for MK8 sales

 

[Tripon]

We'll get a bit of info sure, but it's not really a gaming event/conference.

Comic Con is an everything convention now a days. Its where Capcom announced Strider, IIRC.

 

[BananaSprinkles]

I think someone needs to back and review the Wii U NPD numbers since January 2013. The numbers BananaSprinkles compiled do not come close to adding up to the 90% Year over Year growth. They show closer to a 15% increase in sales. Something is not right with our numbers.

Those numbers seem correct. Here is every month for the Wii U (taken from the next month's prediction thread):

425k (November)
460k (December)
57k (January)
66k (February)
67k (March)
36k (April)
34k (May)
42k (June)
29k (July)
31k (August)
95k (September)
50k (October)
223k (November)
481k (December)
49k (January)
82k (February)
70k (March)
48k (April)

Total: 2,345,000

That matches up approximately with creamsugar's LTD numbers found here.

(it was later figured out there were 3 numbers there, each with 4 digits, representing PS4/XB1/WiU)

 

[pixlexic]

if npd still doesnt count digital then its still pretty useless now days.

I wonder how many digital copies of MK8 and bundles were sold.

 

[OdysseusVA]

3DS over Xbone?

Damn

 

[Insane Metal]

?

The following week, not the week before.

 

[TheOMan]

I can see this getting an incredible amount of use. Good or bad? You decide.

 

[And_Gignac]

This thread needs some sugar and cream, not in that particular order.

 

[KingSnake]

So the sales increased from one week to the next by 4X, the same week that Nintendo released a bundle that included a free game. Isn't that a tiny sample size that really may not be indicative of anything?

It's a tiny sample, indeed. But a regular average week before MK8 was around 12k. Now if this 4x refers to that, it would mean a 48k week for the 1st week in June (assuming it ignores the launching weekend). Now compare 48k in a week with the 60k in May. It does look like a little bit better, isn't it?

 

[BlackJace]

Wii U numbers pretty weak. Hopefully next month fares better. Awesome debuts for Watchdogs and MK8.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Ian Sherr @iansherr · 7s
I'm having all sorts of trouble with Nintendo's statement today! Wii U *Software* sales are up 90% YTD, whereas hardware is up 85% for month

https://twitter.com/iansherr/status/478684442467500033

So was I right and it is MOM hardware increase?

Edit: Nvm he probably still means YOY for the hardware number I think

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

There are games. I'm not worried. ^^

Not saying otherwise, just saying you can't expect a console to keep momentum with just marketing if they aren't games to market....

 

[CukilaBanza]

Good numbers for Watch Dogs and MK8.

It's unreasonable to think that the Wii U can come back to above GCN levels. What Nintendo needs to do is ride out the rest of the Wii U's lifecycle delivering quality games to prove that they won't give up on the system much like Sony did with the PS3. That way they can carry positive momentum into the successor system instead of letting the Wii fade for two years.

With June being a much better retail month (5 weeks, graduation and father's Day) as long as the supply is there for the MK8 Wii U bundle I can see it selling in the 80K-100K range.

Yeah, I am the only one in my circle of friends that bought MK8 on launch day. The others that bought MK8 already (at least 3 or 4 of them), bought it a few days later (including a console bundle). I have a good feeling MK8 sales will be higher in June.

 

[Cuburt]

Want more proof?

http://www.polygon.com/2014/6/11/5801862/mario-kart-8-wii-u-sales
.

Interesting quote:

More impressive still, 18 percent of all Wii U console owners purchased a copy of Mario Kart 8 in that first weekend

Someone should be able to pull some info out of that, right?

My sloppy math:
- ~6 million Wii U's sold as of March 2014
- first weekend (assumption is 3 days of data) = 6Mil . 0.18 = 1,080,000 sales to Wii U owners worldwide
-Nintendo says it sold 1.2 million copies worldwide in 3 days
-1,200,000 - 1,080,000 = 120,000 Mario Kart 8 driven console sales in 3 days worldwide

 

[ZSaberLink]

I think someone needs to back and review the Wii U NPD numbers since January 2013. The numbers BananaSprinkles compiled do not come close to adding up to the 90% Year over Year growth. They show closer to a 15% increase in sales. Something is not right with our numbers.

Yeh something's not right with our numbers. Someone just asked Ian Sherr with our NPD numbers, and he didn't seem convinced.

 

[greg400]

So the sales increased from one week to the next by 4X, the same week that Nintendo released a bundle that included a free game. Isn't that a tiny sample size that really may not be indicative of anything?

Only one week of sales in June and sales have already quadrupled? Surely you aren't dismissing a quadrupling of sales when Mario Kart 8 was only behind one game that was on 5 platforms. The first day purchasing was likely also done by hardcore Nintendo fans that already owned the console. Word of mouth is powerful.

 

[Mpl90]

Maybe the 90% increase was referred to software?

EDIT: It seems so

 

[wsippel]

:/

Why people keep posting Amazon numbers af if they were an accurate indicator of sales?....

Probably because that's the only daily updated thing we have.

 

[Nothing1016]

I really, really don't think our numbers are wrong.

Creamsugar posted an updated LTD of Wii U last month:



In other words:



That matches my records as well.


Ian Sherr fucked up somewhere.

Okay that makes a lot of sense then. Thats a pretty big mistake to make regardless. Maybe he was talking about software?

Edit: Looks like I'm a lucky guesser.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Try reading the rest of the sentence.

I did, is still a silly indicator.

 

[Aquamarine]

https://twitter.com/iansherr/status/478684442467500033

So was I right and it is MOM hardware increase?

Edit: Nvm he probably still means YOY for the hardware number I think

Yeah, it looks like "Software sales" are up 90% YTD, while "Hardware sales" are up 85% YOY.

 

[FZZ]

So the sales increased from one week to the next by 4X, the same week that Nintendo released a bundle that included a free game. Isn't that a tiny sample size that really may not be indicative of anything?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say but what it should mean is if on average Wii U sold 15k per week for the month of May, then in June for the first week it sold 60k on its own.

And that's just assuming if the Wii U sold 15k it's last week in May, which it most likely didn't since a majority of May sales should've happened at the tail end of the month.

All I'm saying is that the effect of MK8 sales on hardware will be seen during June more than they were seen during May. That is of course saying Reggie was correct on the amount of Wii U's sold and he wasn't misquoted or anything.

 

[Lexxism]

https://twitter.com/iansherr/status/478684442467500033

So was I right and it is MOM hardware increase?

Edit: Nvm he probably still means YOY for the hardware number I think

88.8k sold then if MOM?

 

[gogogow]

Good numbers for Watch Dogs and MK8.

It's unreasonable to think that the Wii U can come back to above GCN levels. What Nintendo needs to do is ride out the rest of the Wii U's lifecycle delivering quality games to prove that they won't give up on the system much like Sony did with the PS3. That way they can carry positive momentum into the successor system instead of letting the Wii fade for two years.

With June being a much better retail month (5 weeks, graduation and father's Day) as long as the supply is there for the MK8 Wii U bundle I can see it selling in the 80K-100K range.

Surely you mean the Vita?

 

[Kusagari]

I'm really starting to wonder how bad the software sales under Watchdogs are.

 

[coldone]

Interesting quote:



Someone should be able to pull some info out of that, right?

My sloppy math:
- ~6 million Wii U's sold as of March 2014
- first weekend (assumption is 3 days of data) = 6Mil . 0.18 = 1,080,000 sales to Wii U owners worldwide
-Nintendo says it sold 1.2 million copies worldwide in 3 days
-1,200,000 - 1,080,000 = 120,000 Mario Kart 8 driven console sales in 3 days worldwide

NPD is only for USA

 

[SykoTech]

So presumably you're suggesting LBP3 is going to be getting the same sales push as a PS4 game as TF did as a XB1 game then?

Yeah, that was a baffling comparison.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Probably because that's the only daily updated thing we have.

I saw 2 people buying Wii U on the local store near my house the other day, but the next day a total of 4 people bought a Wii U!

Damn I think Wii U numbers will rise a 500% in this month.

 

[PetrCobra]

The reason I'm worried is because apparently the MK8 marketing started way before the game launched. I'd expect a slightly bigger effect on console sales even though the game launched at the end of the month. Hopefully the next month will prove me wrong but this seems like the momentum gain is not enough... not without a much stronger short-term software support.

 

[kswiston]

there's also another article which hints that June NPDs will be competitive for Wii U compared to PS4 and X1. this article was posted on June 11 so he is probably pleased with the hardware numbers so far for June

"Q: Will you ever outsell [PS4/X1] on a monthly basis?

A: You know, it’s going to be very interesting to see the NPD data [on U.S. sales] for June."

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/brier...o-boss-on-wii-u-beating-xbox-and-playstation/

I don't think an article taking into consideration the first week of June sales from Reggie of all people is really an indication of anything. What is he supposed to say? No?

I think Wii U sales will be way up from last year in June, but still 5 figures next month. I also think we will be back to <50k sales in at least one month this summer.

 

[FZZ]

Yeah, it looks like "Software sales" are up 90% YTD, while "Hardware sales" are up 85% YOY.

He just clarified. Software is up 90% YTD.

https://mobile.twitter.com/iansherr/status/478684442467500033

He clarified everything it seems, looking at the replies.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say but what it should mean is if on average Wii U sold 15k per week for the month of May, then in June for the first week it sold 60k on its own.

And that's just assuming if the Wii U sold 15k it's last week in May, which it most likely didn't since a majority of May sales should've happened at the tail end of the month.

All I'm saying is that the effect of MK8 sales on hardware will be seen during June more than they were seen during May. That is of course saying Reggie was correct on the amount of Wii U's sold and he wasn't misquoted or anything.

The majority of sales for any Mario Kart happen in the months and years after - it's an evergreen title that sells with the system, day of release, month of release, holiday of release, or two holidays later, people still will buy mario kart.

Of the 35 million Mario Kart Wii's they sold 33.5 million were sold after that first month.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

The WiiU numbers are good (and deservedly so), but the lack of 2014 stuff is going to destroy any potential momentum this could've built up.

Perhaps 2014 games like Hyrule Warriors, Wii Sports Club, Captain Toad, Bayonetta 2 (and 1), Sonic Boom, Watch Dogs and Smash Bros could help to keep momentum?

 

[shinra-bansho]

if npd still doesnt count digital then its still pretty useless now days.

I wonder how many digital copies of MK8 and bundles were sold.

Not sure if serious. All that digital hardware must kill bandwidth caps.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Surely you mean the Vita?

He means how Sony kept PS3 support strong even though it was in last place most of the generation.

They're doing the opposite with the Vita.

 

[On Demand]

:/

Why people keep posting Amazon numbers af if they were an accurate indicator of sales?....

When all major retailers show the same thing it's pretty obvious who's selling more.

 

[Nilaul]

Interesting quote:



Someone should be able to pull some info out of that, right?

My sloppy math:
- ~6 million Wii U's sold as of March 2014
- first weekend (assumption is 3 days of data) = 6Mil . 0.18 = 1,080,000 sales to Wii U owners worldwide
-Nintendo says it sold 1.2 million copies worldwide in 3 days
-1,200,000 - 1,080,000 = 120,000 Mario Kart 8 driven console sales in 3 days worldwide

So we should get 1,200,000 Mario kart consoles sold in a month.

 

[Nirolak]

88.8k sold then if MOM?

It's YOY. He just wrote the Wii U was up 90% YTD for hardware earlier when it was really software, but the May comparison was always YOY.

 

[SwiftDeath]

I saw 2 people buying Wii U on the local store near my house the other day, but the next day a total of 4 people bought a Wii U!

Damn I think Wii U numbers will rise a 500% in this month.

Those 2 people you saw represent 6% of the total US retail market? That's damn impressive

 

[Aquamarine]

if npd still doesnt count digital then its still pretty useless now days.

I wonder how many digital copies of MK8 and bundles were sold.

We've gotten eShop sales leaks in the past. Digital sales numbers aren't as significant as physical for most normal, retail titles.

I reckon a very large majority of MK8 sales will be recorded through NPD's tracking of the bundle + standalone copy.

 

[Plinko]

I'm really starting to wonder how bad the software sales under Watchdogs are.

Seriously, this is the much bigger story here.

 

[gogogow]

He means how Sony kept PS3 support strong even though it was in last place most of the generation.

They're doing the opposite with the Vita.

I read "much like" as "unlike", my bad.

 

[Goodacre0081]

if npd still doesnt count digital then its still pretty useless now days.

I wonder how many digital copies of MK8 and bundles were sold.

wouldn't that only factor in if we knew the purchasing habits of buyers? for example are WiiU owners more likely to buy digital over disc? I would assume the mix it's pretty even across all platforms and games.

 

[Hero]

Surely you mean the Vita?

Sorry, I meant they didn't give up on the PS3. They continued to come out with awesome games despite the horrible first two years (i.e. GBA vs PS3 NPD battles) and eventually overcame their stigma.

But yeah, Sony totally gave up on the Vita.