Megadragon15
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NPD Sales Results For November 2010 [Update 6: PSP, PS2, Move Games]
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Nuclear Muffin
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Penguin said:
uDraw outsold the Move console bundles. But of course that doesn't take standalone unit sales and starter pack sales. Even so, that's still pretty funny :lol
Great to see that we actually got rough Kinect/Move bundle sales. Now if only we could get stand alone unit sales.
Castor Krieg
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gregor7777 said:
I always thought that it was software that sold the hardware. Guess I was wrong. But hey, as long as my 3DS sells (3D zomg!) and I get my next Layton fix I'm happy. Kudos to people who are having fun with Kinect, I was just venting as the advertisement campaign in the US went down very predictable route. It's like Nintendo E3 2008 again.
Gary Whitta
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When MS first showed Natal at E3 I said "Microsoft didn't just win this E3, they just won this generation" and got a ton of shit for it in that E3 thread. Now here we are in the first holiday season since it came out and MS has the #1-selling system, the only one showing growth (and massive growth at that), outselling Wii, which has become stagnant, and straight-up BEASTING PS3 and the Move bundle.
VINDICATION!
VINDICATION!
Lion Heart
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Relix said:
Damn guess I missed a lot of threads because all I heard was how successful its going to be, at least compared to move. I'll go back and look through some old threads.
outunderthestars
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Did we ever get any psp numbers?
Megadragon15 said:
To be fair, the biggest prediction on GAF was that Kinect would sell very well out of the starting gate, but would fizzle after four to five months.
Gary Whitta said:
I admit that MS is doing quite well, but 'won this generation' is a massive, massive overstatement.
I think the goal has been moved to we all knew it would be big in the beginning, but it will phase out by next year!Relix said:
Joking aside, I don't think Sony did all that bad with the Move. It just seems bad when comparing it to the Kinect's numbers. Whatever the case, Kinect is indeed a monster out of the gates, damn. Now give me SB so I can pilot a VT once again.
You didn't visit many Kinect threads pre-Fall then. A lot of crow has been served. Heck, even I thought it looked like crap, but I did think it would do decent sales. Then I played DC over Thanksgiving and saw the light. I hope they continue putting out some decent titles like that and Kinect Sports.
Yeah, it is way too early to call that one. Especially as Kinect's ability to maintain momentum longer-term is as yet unproven.Gary Whitta said:
Vinci said:
Agree with the second sentence, but the first? Seems like (back around E3) most people thought it would bomb outright once we caught wind of the pricing (and I was one of them, so I'll eat crow there).
gregor7777 said:
We had 300 Kinect Bundles, all gone by 5pm. Then the 250gb/4gb started going with the free games on the stance they could replace their old console now and wait for kinect until it came back into stock. I noticed later in the day that a few were new console looker, but most went for the ps3 after told the differences between the two consoles and two motion controllers.
TheKingsCrown
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Really? Xbox 360 has outsold the Wii?Gary Whitta said:
I think more data and another year at least is needed to form any conclusions there.
Saint Gregory
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I'm not relishing these Move numbers because I really don't have anything against it but I asked once in one the the Move threads what people thought it was going to bring to gaming since I really didn't feel that being more precise was necessarily going to make motion gaming more fun. I found that the few Wii sports games that used M+ to make them more realistic only served to remind me of how much I suck at their real llife counterparts. Of course I was flamed to to a crispy brown but I think these Kinect Vs. Move numbers kind of support my point.offshore said:
Stumpokapow
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caliblue15 said:
Here's the thing about that. I know you're right. I know you're being honest. I know plenty of 360 console owners are rebuyers. I'm not undermining you here. But:
The 360 has a great tie ratio. A really great tie ratio. Better than the PS3 or the Wii. Tie ratio is the number of pieces of software sold for each piece of hardware, and the 360's are top shelf both month-to-month and lifetime. This means that if a higher percentage of 360 buyers are repeat owners, we'd either expect the tie ratio to be lower (because someone who buys a second 360 doesn't also rebuy their whole library) or we'd say that it is artificially low, and the 360's actual active owner : software tie ratio is enormous, dwarving everything else ever made by a significant amount.
It seems likely that 360 owners buy a lot of software and unlikely that that they buy a totally mindboggling amount of software, so we have to assume that the repeat buyers are about normal.
One of the reasons here is that most people who rebuy a console trade their old one or sell it and then the person that buys that buys software. So most of your repeat buyers were also driving used sales and thus driving the install base, even if you didn't know they were.
Now, I'm not equating the 360's failure rate to any other console. In fact, let's pretend we're not talking about the 360 at all. Let's talk about the PS2. And now let's pretend no one's PS2 ever broke. Ever. Right? Still, a lot of those people replaced their fat PS2s with slim PS2s (or bought a second one and kept both), right? Sounds fair.
But in spite of this, we don't think of the PS2 as not "earning" all its sales, or of having a lower "actual" ownership number than the sales represent or any other claim like that. We basically accept that whatever the percentage of people who own two or break one and buy a new one or are otherwise rebuyers or upgrade or look for new colours or buy holiday bundles for collectors sake or whatever, it's not something that we actually worry about. We count the sales as honest and act as though the install base is the install base.
Hope this explains the conventional wisdom on rebuying.
ExtraKr1spy
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FoneBone said:
Killzone 3, LBP2, Uncharted 3, will start the Great Sony Onslaught of 2011 and best experienced with a 46 inch FULLHD 1080P Bravia 240hz Television so you can play PS3 Computer Entertainment System Games at 240 Frames per second.
Plinko
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Gary Whitta said:
By looking at the numbers and how close Wii/360 are, I think, if anything, one could credit Kinect with helping MS outsell the Wii this month which, without Kinect, probably wouldn't have been done.
That said, I remember your statement in that thread and the flak you took was for the ridiculous statement that they "won the generation." Rightfully so.
gregor7777
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caliblue15 said:
gregor7777 said:
caliblue15 said:
So, to be clear, you are saying you sold nearly 300 Kinect bundles to people who directly told you they were replacing an old 360?
elrechazado
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Good thing you've been paying attention to the last, say, 12 months...DMeisterJ said:
Chrange said:
I was stating on how I thought most of the new sales were based off people wanting Kinect, but their old console was on the crapper, or they were scared of it dieing off.
So Kinect is popular, put in Dance Central and everyone wants it, but I don't think it technically drove new console sales.
Though this is only once store and a small sample, so maybe it's a total 180 everywhere else.
What an amazingly awesome NPD thread. Welcome back! :lol
And wow, it's finally happening. The competitive landscape in many industries often settles down into a duopoly, with two main market leaders followed by a distant third. It's taken a while for that to happen with this round of consoles, but now it seems that both Wii and 360 are beginning to leave a flagging PS3 behind.
In the beginning, Wii captured the imagination of the mass market while the two other consoles waged HD-peen battles to win a smaller hardcore audience.
Now, Microsoft has differentiated its platform with Kinect, a device that doesn't simply try to out-Wii the Wii, but imbues the 360 with its own kind of magic that's new and different and desirable. The result is, 360 is separating itself from the Special-Olympics slap-fest it had been fighting with Sony, and I expect it to enter a new phase of unprecedented growth for a Microsoft console (provided MS maintains a compelling stream of software, both for Kinect and core games).
PS3 appears to be in serious trouble now in America. As Steve Race, one-time president of Sony America, said of Trip Hawkins' 3DO platform just prior to the launch of the original PlayStation, "If it smells like dead fish, it's probably dead fish."
I've noticed a faint odor about the platform for a while, but with this NPD, I think I've got my first real whiff of something seriously bad.
That's the thing. Wii is the original "motion" machine. It owns that position in people's minds, so it's not going anywhere for a while. That's in part where Move fails and Kinect succeeds. Move is an expensive copycat while Kinect, like Wii before it, captures the imagination with something new. It's different enough to carve out its own space without cutting much into Nintendo's--something that's very hard to do to a market leader.
And wow, it's finally happening. The competitive landscape in many industries often settles down into a duopoly, with two main market leaders followed by a distant third. It's taken a while for that to happen with this round of consoles, but now it seems that both Wii and 360 are beginning to leave a flagging PS3 behind.
In the beginning, Wii captured the imagination of the mass market while the two other consoles waged HD-peen battles to win a smaller hardcore audience.
Now, Microsoft has differentiated its platform with Kinect, a device that doesn't simply try to out-Wii the Wii, but imbues the 360 with its own kind of magic that's new and different and desirable. The result is, 360 is separating itself from the Special-Olympics slap-fest it had been fighting with Sony, and I expect it to enter a new phase of unprecedented growth for a Microsoft console (provided MS maintains a compelling stream of software, both for Kinect and core games).
PS3 appears to be in serious trouble now in America. As Steve Race, one-time president of Sony America, said of Trip Hawkins' 3DO platform just prior to the launch of the original PlayStation, "If it smells like dead fish, it's probably dead fish."
I've noticed a faint odor about the platform for a while, but with this NPD, I think I've got my first real whiff of something seriously bad.
FoneBone said:
That's the thing. Wii is the original "motion" machine. It owns that position in people's minds, so it's not going anywhere for a while. That's in part where Move fails and Kinect succeeds. Move is an expensive copycat while Kinect, like Wii before it, captures the imagination with something new. It's different enough to carve out its own space without cutting much into Nintendo's--something that's very hard to do to a market leader.
SolarPowered
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The shaky launch of GT5, promising sales of Donkey Kong and absolute deluge of CoD:BLOPS was insane. I was blown away by the fact that Call of Duty managed to just barely beat EA's total game sales for the year. The crazy part is that it was nearly matched by the fantastic 360 sales and horrible PS3 sales.
On the hardware side...I'd say that we're in for a really long generation if the kinect has long legs. Microsoft just saw easy profits and Sony found a reason to slow their roll. Nintendo can stay the course if they're not too worried about the Wii and want to secure a massive 3DS launch.
Thanks to the mods for keeping the thread interesting. You guys have done an awesome job at keeping the NPD threads alive and well. All we need now are Sonic, Mickey and Goldeneye numbers and I'll call it a day.
On the hardware side...I'd say that we're in for a really long generation if the kinect has long legs. Microsoft just saw easy profits and Sony found a reason to slow their roll. Nintendo can stay the course if they're not too worried about the Wii and want to secure a massive 3DS launch.
Thanks to the mods for keeping the thread interesting. You guys have done an awesome job at keeping the NPD threads alive and well. All we need now are Sonic, Mickey and Goldeneye numbers and I'll call it a day.
gregor7777
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caliblue15 said:Yes. Extended protection plan was an easy sell alllllll day long, highest % ever.
With anecdotal evidence that strong I think we should allow the "it's only selling well because of RRoD" argument to come off the ban list.
That's insanity. Is your store in an old coal mine of something?
caliblue15 said:Yes. Extended protection plan was an easy sell alllllll day long, highest % ever.
So, assuming you spent 60 seconds asking every one of them whether they had a 360 (and receiving a response), you wasted 5 hours of your day asking an irrelevant question of every single buyer?
considering US is MS biggest market, and this is the best selling month of the season, and it was the month Kinect launched, i really doubt that those 2,5 million sold are real.
I mean, 700k kinect bundles, plus standalone kinect in the country that has aprox half of the 360s sold in the world....
I mean, 700k kinect bundles, plus standalone kinect in the country that has aprox half of the 360s sold in the world....
Megadragon15
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And now we have a doubting Thomas.tzare said:
Lion Heart said:
You serious? Pretty much every Kinect thread prior to it's release devolved into gifs showing how much lag or inaccuracy there is.
To clarify I'm not defending the lag and inaccuracy, there is some (a lot in some cases) and you need to be able to look past it if you want to have fun but so far it's a success at least in terms of sales and mindshare (hate to use this word).
evilromero
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I had a feeling uDraw when do well. It's the perfect hardware device for the Wii crowd. I was almost enticed by the Pictionary title.