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NPD Sales Results For November 2010 [Update 6: PSP, PS2, Move Games]
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Trust me, a lot didn't start moving the goal post till Fall. Before that, it was a lot of doom and gloom from a good number of posters. Again, I participated in some of it, mostly on the tech side not actual sales.Lion Heart said:
Looking through that 2004 NPD thread is so depressing. I figure it was like that since everyone new where everything stood and had accepted it. So civil, but I do enjoy the wackiness of this gen. The reusing of arguments, moving of goal posts, etc. Always brings a good laugh, but it has made a lot of us a bit more touchy. We all should be coming together to stop the Activision/Ubisoft spamming! Kidding aside, Black Ops is actually decent. Surprised me. Haven't given AC:Brotherhood a try yet.
gregor7777
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Vinci said:
That sounds like something GAF would say.
If the sell through number is 2.5 million, where are the remainder of them if not in Europe?
elrechazado
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based on what, denial of reality?tzare said:
RedStep said:
We aren't about shoving the console down someone's throat, I get to know the customer and match the item that best fits their lifestyle along with what they want. You can then add accessories, protection plans, xbox live cards, etc. Takes a $299 -$399 kinect bundle to over $500 easy. A store doesn't make any money off consoles themselves...
Lebron said:
Let me tell you man. I was out of town for E3 and didn't get to check GAF for a few days. Upon my return, after being blown away by Kinect in person, I was literally shocked by the Kinect trolling on this forum. I tried defending it and was flamed non-stop. I was a MS shill. I wasn't a 'real gamer'. I got Juniored. I got banned for "Tiresome Kinect apologism". The main sentiment was that Kinect would bomb straight out of the gate and Microsoft would be forced out of the videogame industry because of it. It was fucking insanity.
gregor7777
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Kafel said:
I didn't want to say it...
SonOfABeep
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PSGames said:
There are some folks on this board who would come to that conclusion were one of the microsoft entertainment execs to show signs of a cold.
Haunted
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I'm not worried at all about the PS3, to be honest.
PS3 has an amazing software lineup for next year. Sure, it may look like Nintendo has found success with the casuals and that Microsoft is far ahead in the US for now, but surely that's also because they're much cheaper than the "premium" PS3. With games like Killzone, Infamous, Uncharted, Ratchet&Clank, God of War, WKC and Gran Turismo 5, I really don't see how the PS3 could possibly lose next year. Truly,
will be the year of the PS3.
PS3 has an amazing software lineup for next year. Sure, it may look like Nintendo has found success with the casuals and that Microsoft is far ahead in the US for now, but surely that's also because they're much cheaper than the "premium" PS3. With games like Killzone, Infamous, Uncharted, Ratchet&Clank, God of War, WKC and Gran Turismo 5, I really don't see how the PS3 could possibly lose next year. Truly,
2009
Megadragon15
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That's because every year is the year of the PS3. The US consumers didn't get the memo, though.caliblue15 said:
You're wrong, 3DS won E3. And surprisingly in the NPD spin you could see David Dennis mention the 3DS: this implies Microsoft acknowledges its "next big thing" status.Gary Whitta said:
It took a gigantic budget and a launch of a structuring technology (time will say if it was a good decision or not for Microsoft) to outsell wii by 100K in x360's most dominant region.
Success it is.
But Kinect just won this generation... it is not.
Saiyar said:
60/40 is probably about right, but is that 800k an estimate on the accessory side? I didn't think he got that data just estimates. Anyhow, if that is correct it means it did $120 million of the $249 million MS did in accessories for the month. Sound about right?
This in the context of this as well;
Hard to say though as I have no comparison on a dollar figure overall for last year in accessories for MS.
Edit: I do see the overall total accessories number at $256 million last year;
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4214/npd_behind_the_numbers_november_.php
SonOfABeep
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Haunted said:
Well quality wise sure all of those games are awesome and PS3 owners will have loads to play.
But none of those are shown to help sell the console to new buyers. GT5 + black friday deals +holiday shopping should have given PS3 a better showing this month.
And none of those series (other than Uncharted maybe) have shown to have much effect on month to month new PS3 buyers.
Talking purely sales-wise Sony can't be happy with their reduced forward momentum. They're down 1/4th from last year, right? Ugly numbers.
Sony's problem is simple. They're stuck with a premium price offering in a market that is budget conscious. That's bad in and of itself but it also means that they are price locked out of the mainstream at a point when the mainstream has never been more important and a time when Nintendo has already established itself there and Microsoft has just made a strong push.
Baki
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For the North American market, the MOVE has always been too me-too. Couple this with an inferior marketing campaign to Kinect (which looks and feels "different" from the Wii) and we have a good reason why the PS3 and the MOVE failed to push significant hardware this month. (I guess this also establishes that the fate of both consoles (X360 and PS3) are tied to each other.)
So was SCE wrong to go with the MOVE? Well here is my assessment (but in-short no).
Their mistakes were:
(1) Software. It wasn't unique enough. MS were lucky enough to get away with their offerings because the actual hardware seemed different.
(2) MOVE bundle price. Sorry but $399 is too much for a mainstream product. $299 would have been a great price.
(3) No good bundles. They needed to increase the value proposition of their products by offering games. A good start would be old games like inFamous, Uncharted, Motorstorm, Killzone 2 or LBP. Not only are these games going to receive sequels soon but they are also well reviewed. Not to mention unlikely to be bough anymore due to their age.
(4) Allowing MS to gain momentum at the beginning of the year. Their lack of action on the supply issue (when the demand for the PS3 was greater than the Xbox 360) allowed the Xbox 360 become the console of choice for HD crowd at the time. This allowed them to build momentum during the beginning of the year.
(5) No US appealing exclusives for NA market (for FALL).
(6) GT5 delay caused problems with marketing for it and no $299 bundle.
So was SCE wrong to go with the MOVE? Well here is my assessment (but in-short no).
Their mistakes were:
(1) Software. It wasn't unique enough. MS were lucky enough to get away with their offerings because the actual hardware seemed different.
(2) MOVE bundle price. Sorry but $399 is too much for a mainstream product. $299 would have been a great price.
(3) No good bundles. They needed to increase the value proposition of their products by offering games. A good start would be old games like inFamous, Uncharted, Motorstorm, Killzone 2 or LBP. Not only are these games going to receive sequels soon but they are also well reviewed. Not to mention unlikely to be bough anymore due to their age.
(4) Allowing MS to gain momentum at the beginning of the year. Their lack of action on the supply issue (when the demand for the PS3 was greater than the Xbox 360) allowed the Xbox 360 become the console of choice for HD crowd at the time. This allowed them to build momentum during the beginning of the year.
(5) No US appealing exclusives for NA market (for FALL).
(6) GT5 delay caused problems with marketing for it and no $299 bundle.
gregor7777 said:
And then, each of them bought every Kinect game in stock to make sure that the software attach rate doesn't go down. It's what happens every month, like clockwork. The only thing we haven't gotten lately is the "Shareholders are going to pull the plug on the Xbox division" even after NPDs come out and Xbox is on top.
CartridgeBlower
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caliblue15 said:
Yeah, this means way more this generation then before because of online gaming. What system establishes itself as the place to play with your friends.
Kafel said:
Who ironically owns a Kinect after all his endless rants, helping to fuel the numbers
For me it just honestly feels like they are always a step behind, they recovered from the launch distaster but always seem to be on the defensive and just riding this generation out.
Now that I am a LIVE member again, until Infamous 2 comes out my PS3 will go back to being my BluRay player. I keep hoping they will do something "outside of the box"
FunnyBunny
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The year-to-year drop in PS3 sales should scare Sony. It's losing steam at a time when it should be, at the very least, treading water. Yikes.
Sho_Nuff82
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Vinci said:
Most of the crow-posts were already served in the "Kinect pre-orders selling out", "Kinect has sold-through 1 million" and "Kinect has sold through 2.5 million" threads. The threads with reactions to E3 2010, the pricing, the "sitting down" fiasco, the "recognizing dark people" stuff, are easily as embarrassing as any of the pre-launch Wii and DS unveiling threads from 04 and 05.
This thread was merely going to provide the software icing, but we haven't seen any of that mentioned explicitly.
Required reading for anyone looking to browse how "GAF" reacted:
Any gaffers actually EXCITED for Kinect?
Microsoft confirms Kinect currently does not work while seated - thread title edited later
Kinect priced at $149 at Gamestop, Amazon, Wal-Mart, etc
GameStop: Kinect Will Outsell Move This Holiday
UK Retailers "Kinect Pre-Orders VERY Low"
UK: Kinect Pre-Orders Booming
Edit:
Forgot this one, it's just over a month old:
If Kinect bombs hard, could MS give up on the VG market?
All lulz aside, for those who maintain that Kinect will lose steam in as short as 6 months, do you still hold on to that prediction? And does anyone still believe that Move will outsell Kinect in the long run in the US, given that Kinect bundles in November were about equal to total PS3 sales in October + November combined?
Even if Move sells more individual controllers than Kinect, will any Move-exclusive software planned for 2011 approach the sales of Dance Central? It's likely between 200 and 300k for the first month, depending on the spread for NFS and whether it's #11 in the individual or combined charts. That will be the greatest determinant as to whether either peripheral is supported, if companies can't make money off of it vs. making a normally controlled game, they won't bother.
I do remember you, and others, posting some positive impressions but getting kind of lost in the shuffle. I wasn't really impressed from what I saw from them during E3. Thought DC was the star, but still didn't think it was anything special. The early hardware "hick ups" flooding in didn't help either. But I got to hand it to them, it seems they managed to clean a lot of that up and release a responsive product. I wasn't impressed till I actually played DC at my families house. Just walked in front of it after my mom was done and started playing. Really fun and responsive, though some of those moves I KNOW i hit yet it denied me! The new tricks and ideas people are coming up with it after "hacking" it also show it has potential. They have all the momentum in the world right now, so I hope they take advantage of it. I know we'll get the shovelware from a lot trying to capture that casual market, but if they manage to put out a few good ones in there like You Shape, Kinect Sports(Adventures isn't as bad as I thought it would be) and Dance Central I'll be happy. Also, they brought back Steel Battalion. I couldn't hate it after that, well, unless it's a casual'd up game. Then RAGE!PSGames said:
Speaking of games, Sonic FreeRider has to be one of the worst games I've ever played. Fuck you, Sega. I don't understand some of the decent reviews and don't understand why I played it so much with my younger cousin. I kept playing on my own will. I DON'T UNDERSTAND! Why was I laughing and smiling?!?!?! What kind of black magic were they sending through that camera?
Baki
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Kolgar said:
Quote of the year. :lol :lol
Say what you want, but the PS3 is anything but dead fish. Regardless, I want to see if you can say the same this time next year. I highly doubt it. Kinect in my opinion still has not proven that it is a product that can sustain these kind of sales past six months.
PS: Supply issues for X360 in NA will definitely let the PS3 take the first three months.
I don't watch a lot of TV that would likely have the target demographic, but was there a lot (or little) of advertising for Wii Party? Given the dedicated shelf space I witnessed (although obviously other parts of the US may be different for various reasons) I would have expected at least a notable increase over last month.
I think they're riding this $299 price point out. I can only think the big move to $199 is when we'll see something like the Sony of old. But they'll probably need to have a redesigned box that adds a couple of features to get people to upgrade, and a machine that looks a lot better than the current slim.Dunlop said: