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[KoopaTheCasual]

his statement was childish.

Its practically saying, "if the competition hadn't released a console and did better, those numbers would be the best" that's kinda silly, and ultimately moot.

While yes, it's a ridiculous qualifying statement, I don't think he's saying "Xbox would have won, haters!" He was just saying that Xbox One (aside from the PS4) has the biggest gaming launch in history, and that's a great accomplishment. Some warriors in this thread are treating this like a football game, and saying MS was 'defeated' or something, but MS are probably extremely happy with these results and for good reason.

Maybe his message's meaning didn't translate completely, but I felt like his intention with that comment was very clear.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I'm very happy to see the consoles off to the amazing start that they're at, but frankly,I'm also not ready to start clapping hands for either one of these consoles until after they both break the 5mil mark.

I'm of the opinion that both consoles are still in their 'launch euphoria' stage, that happens to be far stronger than previous gens due to the existence of two highly popular platforms doing very very well, a very long generation before this & a ton of pent-up demand. An euphoria that both consoles won't shake off until they reach the 5m mark.

There's still a meek pessimistic ghost in me who fears that sales will plummet after they've sold out to their most dedicated core fans, whom I believe both consoles have at least 5m of them, easily.

The important thing is to keep a constant string of releases to keep the buzz around the new generation.

The reception/performance of games like The Witcher 3, Infamous, Drive Club, TitanFall, Destiny, Watch_Dogs, Dying Light, Uncharted 4, Halo 5, The Division, The Crew, and MGS5 on these platforms is critical to convince the PS360 audience to move on. It would only take one or two new IPs becoming a breakout hit to carry momentum for most of the year.

 

[MaulerX]

Why don't Sony just announce their numbers?

Because apparently they fell off a cliff after the first day (low supply situation).

 

[Daingurse]

Just took advantage of that Best Buy sale to nab Super Mario 3D World and The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD.

I remember loving the Dreamcast and the GameCube even though they were "dying" systems. I still love them. My current TV has a GameCube, Wii U, and a PS3 hooked up. I'll nab a PS4 once all the launch issues are done and there are games I want for it.

Do I feel saddened by the lack of financial success for the Wii U?

The only reason I would feel emotional about it is if it were so bad that they stopped development on the games I want. As for right now? Eh. The games I bought the system for are still coming out and I have a nice little backlog of games to play through already.

Edit: I still have that GameCube hooked up because it still contains the best version of Resident Evil 1, I still play Phantasy Star Online, and I'm playing through Twilight Princess again on the system it was MEANT to be played on.

My Gamecube was practically a Phantasy Star Online box, basically the only initial reason I wanted it. Worth it for that game alone, easily. And I had plenty of other good shit like Smash and Double Dash.

 

[airmangataosenai]

his statement was childish.

Its practically saying, "if the competition hadn't released a console and did better, these numbers would be the best" that's kinda silly, and ultimately moot.

LOL, you completely misread what I was saying. I prefer Sony over Microsoft for what it's worth and wasn't trying to downplay PS4 doing better. They both did well, PS4 just did better.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

Surprised me, too. This is anecdotal, but demand is pretty high around here.

Even at crazy prices ( $500 range ), the console's back-ordered till late Jan/Feb. Some bundles are still available at launch, but 90% of all the SKUs are already 'poof!.'

Don't doubt the demand. I doubt Sony would give Asia (sans Japan) so much supply and starve themselves in key regions like NA and Europe.

 

[coolasj19]

Hey I love my Vita, but a system don't get much deader than selling 71k in friggin' November... other than selling 0-70k in November
Damn Vita is a beast!

I feel like a WiiU owner... At least I have indie games to look forward too... VTV saves Vita? Probably not... T_T

 

[rokkerkory]

The 200k or so difference in favor of the PS4 is what I expected. It's gonna be mindblowing if XBone outsells PS4 in December.

Pretty crazy considering all that yield hoopla talk for X1. It seems launching in fewer territories and focusing on major markets was the better approach for X1.

 

[Version 3.0]

You guys misunderstand. I was saying that they said "over 340%", not that I thought they said a number higher than 340%.

No, they understand that. What they're all trying to say is that "over 340%" also means "under 350%".

PR isn't going to say "over 340%" if they could say "over 350%" or "over 370%".

 

[Haines]

Im trying to read this thread but its hurting my head.

WiiU sold less than 250k?

WiiU is dead?

 

[Codeblew]

Indeed it is.

Man, that is the only game I remember playing on that system but I played the hell out of it. So much fun.

 

[N.Domixis]

Why don't Sony just announce their numbers?

Because the gamming media and mainstream media will see they have only sold a few more hundred thousands. And would help xbox. It would then lead to horrible pr in the states. Fanboys all over the internet would then call sony doomd and gamming sites would say ps4 is doomed too. Sony is smart, they will announce only milestones for now. Maybe 3 million in a few days.

 

[anexanhume]

No, they understand that. What they're all trying to say is that "over 340%" also means "under 350%".

PR isn't going to say "over 340%" if they could say "over 350%" or "over 370%".

Then there's no dispute.

 

[samar11]

I think we're actually getting more stock than previously expected.

Apparently first batch orders for Malaysia will start shipment from tomorrow onwards, despite the 20th street date.

Demand seems very high, even with the local absurd Bolehland prices.

Any asian online stores shipping them to Australia dude ?

 

[Chobel]

Don't doubt the demand. I doubt Sony would give Asia (sans Japan) so much supply and starve themselves in key regions like NA and Europe.

You missed famousmortimer post where he said that Sony was surprised by the demand of US and thought 500k in Asia is better bet than 500k in US, and now it's too late to change these plans.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

No, they understand that. What they're all trying to say is that "over 340%" also means "under 350%".

PR isn't going to say "over 340%" if they could say "over 350%" or "over 370%".

PR 101. Saying Over something is better than giving exact figures. Over 340% is better than saying 343%.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Pretty crazy considering all that yield hoopla talk for X1. It seems launching in fewer territories and focusing on major markets was the better approach for X1.

Definitely. Selling out in the US with half a million languishing on shelves in PAL would have been pretty dumb. Spark & TitanFall will be out in time for the Tier 2 Euro launch, and KI may even be close to done by then.

 

[Salex_]

The 200k or so difference in favor of the PS4 is what I expected. It's gonna be mindblowing if XBone outsells PS4 in December.

Really? They won by around 16 million in NA last gen and only launched in 13 countries vs the PS4's 32. It would be terrible if they tie or lose next month.

 

[dolemite]

Pretty crazy considering all that yield hoopla talk for X1. It seems launching in fewer territories and focusing on major markets was the better approach for X1.

MSFT targeted approach appears to be more pragmatic for the time being.

 

[Version 3.0]

While yes, it's a ridiculous qualifying statement, I don't think he's saying "Xbox would have won, haters!" He was just saying that Xbox One (aside from the PS4) has the biggest gaming launch in history, and that's a great accomplishment. Some warriors in this thread are treating this like a football game, and saying MS was 'defeated' or something, but MS are probably extremely happy with these results and for good reason.

Maybe his message's meaning didn't translate completely, but I felt like his intention with that comment was very clear.

Both views are right. Microsoft may very well be pleased with the numbers themselves, and rightfully so, but I guarantee they're not at all pleased with the way the market share is shaping up for this gen.

 

[theprodigy]

No, they understand that. What they're all trying to say is that "over 340%" also means "under 350%".

PR isn't going to say "over 340%" if they could say "over 350%" or "over 370%".

however, we are dealing with such low numbers that even a shift to something like 51k in October changes the %s significantly
I wonder if this will ever reach a point where the estimations are more than 5% off

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

75k > Vita > Sep + Oct

Damn, much worse than i thought.

 

[Bsigg12]

Im trying to read this thread but its hurting my head.

WiiU sold less than 250k?

WiiU is dead?

Yes, after a price cut and a major Mario game in the start of the holiday shopping season. I would say it's just about dead.

 

[Version 3.0]

PR 101. Saying Over something is better than giving exact figures. Over 340% is better than saying 343%.

No shit. But again, you don't say "over 340%" when you could say "over 350%".

 

[Chobel]

Definitely. Selling out in the US with half a million languishing on shelves in PAL would have been pretty dumb. Spark & TitanFall will be out in time for the Tier 2 Euro launch, and KI may even be close to done by then.

Tier 2 Euro launch is in Q3 2014.

 

[ZSaberLink]

Does anyone know how the 3DS did in October of 2011 and 2012? I'm trying to compare the combined Oct + Nov sales of each year.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Damn, much worse than i thought.

Don't worry. I bet everyone over here is just holding out for Vita TV.

 

[Griss]

Im trying to read this thread but its hurting my head.

WiiU sold less than 250k?

WiiU is dead?

It's not dead, because it's still going to receive releases throughout next year and it's still going to be stocked at retail.

But it is dying, it will have a very short life, and it will never thrive. Those things are all now 99% certain.

 

[rokkerkory]

MSFT targeted approach appears to be more pragmatic for the time being.

Yeah, I think they are going where their biggest markets are. Their goal is to secure enough sales to get all major 3rd games. That will at least give them some fighting chance in the long run.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

You missed famousmortimer post where he said that Sony was surprised by the demand of US and thought 500k in asia is better bet than 500k in US, now it's too late to change plans.

According to Pachter (lol I know) the two companies have a capacity to produce about a million consoles a month. To think that Sony would send about a half of their December stock to Asia, and ignore the holiday season in the west is a bit hard to swallow.

Also I take whatever mortimer says with a pinch of salt.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Does anyone know how the 3DS did in October of 2011 and 2012? I'm trying to compare the combined Oct + Nov sales of each year.

Archive http://www.neogaf.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=18

 

[Version 3.0]

however, we are dealing with such low numbers that even a shift to something like 51k in October changes the %s significantly

True enough. IIRC, wasn't October's figure estimated between 50k and 51k?

 

[CouldBeWorse]

I can't get the math to work with these assumptions:

PS4 - 1138k
XBO - 909k
360 - 647k
PS3 - 12%
WIU - 232k
WII - 2%
PS3+PS4 is <10k greater than 360+XBO

So either the PS4 number (assumed to be leaked elsewhere by cs) is wrong or the Wii U number (from mort) is wrong.

HOWEVER, if you say that Xbox is <10k greater than PS, I can make the math work with the PS3 at 409k and Wii at 68k. That results in Xbox at 1556k and PS at 1547k.

HOWEVER PART 2, if you say the PS4 is 1151 and you are a little looser with your rounding, you can still make it work at PS3 409k and Wii 68k.

REGARDLESS, here are the approximate CONSOLE market shares for November rounded to the nearest whole number (margin of error roughly 0.5% depending upon incorrect assumptions):

PS4 - 33%
XBO - 27%
360 - 19%
PS3 - 12%
WIU - 7%
WII - 2%

What did I screw up?

 

[Shiggy]

With the big Cranky announcement, Wii U sales should increase by 8 times next month.

 

[NoirVisage]

While yes, it's a ridiculous qualifying statement, I don't think he's saying "Xbox would have won, haters!" He was just saying that Xbox One (aside from the PS4) has the biggest gaming launch in history, and that's a great accomplishment. Some warriors in this thread are treating this like a football game, and saying MS was 'defeated' or something, but MS are probably extremely happy with these results and for good reason.

Maybe his message's meaning didn't translate completely, but I felt like his intention with that comment was very clear.

the big takeaway everyone should have gathered is that the supply constraints of last gen aren't as much an issue in this gen.. there was no foxcon back then churning product out like twinkies, records were going to be broken either way, and that's downplaying both of their success..the ability to sustain the demand where there actually is one is what will decide the "winner"

LOL, you completely misread what I was saying. I prefer Sony over Microsoft for what it's worth and wasn't trying to downplay PS4 doing better. They both did well, PS4 just did better.

point taken, I was reading it from a perspective you never meant.

 

[rdrr gnr]

It takes shit like this for people to respond. Next Gen, I expect Nintendo to have another Wii scenario.

It's hard to recreate flukes.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Im trying to read this thread but its hurting my head.

WiiU sold less than 250k?

WiiU is dead?

Your friend here is only mostly dead.

 

[Finalizer]

The 200k or so difference in favor of the PS4 is what I expected. It's gonna be mindblowing if XBone outsells PS4 in December.

Mindblowing? I'd say hardly surprising; even without Mortimer's bit, it wouldn't be terribly surprising to figure that Sony will be stretched thin with the launch in Asia while MS will just keep throwing the vast majority of Xbones at the US/UK.

 

[Dragonborn]

According to Pachter (lol I know) the two companies have a capacity to produce about a million consoles a month. To think that Sony would send about a half of their December stock to Asia, and ignore the holiday season in the west is a bit hard to swallow.

Also I take whatever mortimer says with a pinch of salt.

I have to agree it just doesn't make any sense. It'd be Sony basically handing the Holidays to MS on a silver platter. Unless
Sony somehow has another million consoles lying around somewhere I just don't see it. Then again, what do I know.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

With the big Cranky announcement, Wii U sales should increase by 8 times next month.

Anything below that is an indication of shortages, really.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

71k for Vita? For real?

 

[oggob]

Sony will likely not share any actual numbers until after their 'big shipment' this week.

Based on what we're hearing from all the channels globally, Sony is massing up one major shipment to :

- Asia launch countries ( 500k by mortimer's words )
- Spain ( 60k )
- US ( ???k )
- EU ( ???k )

Any new sharings from Sony will probably come a day or two after 20th December, where PS4 will launch in Malaysia, and the rest of their shipments probably selling out as they are.

I've heard retailer whispers that AU is getting 70k next week...

 

[Nightengale]

According to Pachter (lol I know) the two companies have a capacity to produce about a million consoles a month. To think that Sony would send about a half of their December stock to Asia, and ignore the holiday season in the west is a bit hard to swallow.

Don't doubt the demand. I doubt Sony would give Asia (sans Japan) so much supply and starve themselves in key regions like NA and Europe.

Depends how one looks at it.

From a global business perspective of a division wanting to announce good numbers come the end of the fiscal year, supplying a healthy stock to Asia actually makes sense from the books perspective.

After all, unlike NA and Europe, Sony actually makes a decent profit margin from every consoles sold here though thanks to the 'luxury tax'. :/

Also I take whatever mortimer says with a pinch of salt.

Two pinches more than your thoughts, at least.

Wasn't meant as a jab, but your 'I don't think X' is just as unreliable, because you're not proven to have the same wavelength as Andrew House.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Pathetic results.
Sony really should have never released the Vita. They should have just walked away from the PSP as the only decent competitor against Nintendo in the handheld space and focused everything on home consoles, where their brand is strong.

What a stupid thing to say. Sony did well not leave the whole Japanese market to Nintendo. Not that the 3DS is not getting most sales anyway. Vita is doing ok ish in Japan. That´s better than having no handheld and just give the whole market to Nintendo.

 

[Version 3.0]

Man, that is the only game I remember playing on that system but I played the hell out of it. So much fun.

Definitely the best one, at least that still holds up now. I loved Aliens vs Predator to death, but it's the kind of game that you can only play now if you played it then.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Yeah, but do we remember where the October number came from (honest question - I don't remember offhand, and I'm too lazy to go digging for it). But I've got WiiU at 51k for October, which would make 232k a 355% increase - you've got WiiU at 50k, which makes for a 364% increase. You can see how quickly small numbers can change the percentage.

Just a 1k shift in October's number changes the increase by 9+%. Do we have a hard and fast number for October, or is just a range based on some percentage multiplier from a previous month's number that we also don't know exactly, etc. etc. etc.?

I did the digging for you.

Last month's thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=90113609&postcount=1256

Reaffirmed and narrowed in this thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=93524947&postcount=835

50K is the number to use.

 

[ahuffman]

Definitely the best one, at least that still holds up now. I loved Aliens vs Predator to death, but it's the kind of game that you can only play now if you played it then.

Man I don't care what anyone says I love my Jag! Tempest is a weekly ritual.

 

[theprodigy]

edit: nvm misread that

 

[Zalman]

I predicted 220K for Wii U in the prediction thread. I expected it to happen, but I honestly expected 3D World to sell more. Oh well.

71k for Vita? For real?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Wii U outsold it in the US now?

 

[ILoveBish]

Poor microsoft can't even use the "Microsoft Family" line yet.