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NPD Sales Results for November 2014 [Up3: NPD Data Error, AC:U #5]
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I wonder what that means?
It means that a certain poster who makes unofficial statements better show bishoptl concrete proof of what he/she mentioned, or risk a ban.
anexanhume
Member
They had the third best November after launch ever without adjusting their MSRP. They sold 550K of the Destiny bundle, for reference. They sold nearly that much of the non BF bundle this month. It's not a fail at all. They offered a bundle just like they do every holiday. Them "failing" to respond is a false ex post facto narrative.
MaybeTitanfall standalone don't hit that number. First month was ~865k
Doesn't look good for Destiny legs on XBO because first month was < 945k.
aspiegamer
Member
Even if the XB1 runs 750k+ higher in the US than the PS4 this season they can still laugh it off. This generation ~55% of Microsoft's market has been the US. For Sony it's ~40%, plus in the territories Sony controls it controls by large margins.
This works usually around the holidays. People who buy through the year are doing so more for a specific reason and are generally better-informed. Holiday sales are a whole lot of parents who aren't exactly thinking long-term about what first party lineups look like in the coming year.
Uh... how about American football?
Q1: Holidays 2013, Q2: Early 2014, Q3: Later 2014, Q4: November. 1 point ~~100k
SONY : 17 14 14 7
MS : 17 10 10 12
...12? God. All field goals. MS unable to convert in the red zone confirmed.
This can't be correct. InFamous Second Son moved 1 million copies 9 days. Probably even more considering it's had deep discounts all year.
I'm not sure if one month of beating Sony is enough to make such a statement.
DarthWalden
Banned
Welfare
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They actually sold 538k in September. Compared to the 360 with Halo 3, 360 did 528k in September 07, while in November 07 did 770k. Not really a fail, as Sony didn't do "much" compared to MS except for a BF bundle.
unapersson
Member
So with these numbers are the consoles still considered front loaded?
Thank you.
Wordlwide. Activision is talking about USA.
It moved 1 million worldwide.
Yes, but as retail sales decrease, digital sales increase. And there is no method of reporting downloaded copies of anything.
1st Course
Member
NPD is us only.
Your 1m in 9 days figure is WW. In US Infamous sold like 400k in its first month.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
This is sooo ridiculous and out there that I can't believe I am going to respond to it but here I am.
Games sometime just have to get delayed. It's not always a resource, manpower or management issue. Some times features just don't work as well as intended and/or end up being more difficult to implement.
Yes, but the PS4 provides the best version for all of these.
Earthanoid
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Wow, I can't believe how much the story has changed since the last time I was in this thread.
It'll be very interesting to see how December plays out and whether MS can sustain this momentum. Even more interesting will be what happens in January; can MS bring the price back to $400? If they truly follow Greenberg's logic and rely on holiday sales, they may be okay with raising the price again and losing NPD for most of the year, if it means they just catch up (or significantly close the gap) in Holiday 2015.
I think that the slashed pricing, bundles, etc. aren't sustainable for MS. I think they had to clear out inventory (a charge like they had to do with Surface would be too damaging to their brand) and they had to reverse the perception that there was no interest in their product. They've successfully done both with a pretty impressive push, MS management has to be thinking hard about whether they want that extra of revenue back.
For Sony's part, they probably expected this and they still have a comfortable lead. It'll be interesting to see how they respond, if they respond at all. Is "arrogant Sony" back and will they do nothing? I doubt it, but I also doubt that they'll cut their price; more likely we'll see the current free game deal becoming permanent.
It'll be very interesting to see how December plays out and whether MS can sustain this momentum. Even more interesting will be what happens in January; can MS bring the price back to $400? If they truly follow Greenberg's logic and rely on holiday sales, they may be okay with raising the price again and losing NPD for most of the year, if it means they just catch up (or significantly close the gap) in Holiday 2015.
I think that the slashed pricing, bundles, etc. aren't sustainable for MS. I think they had to clear out inventory (a charge like they had to do with Surface would be too damaging to their brand) and they had to reverse the perception that there was no interest in their product. They've successfully done both with a pretty impressive push, MS management has to be thinking hard about whether they want that extra of revenue back.
For Sony's part, they probably expected this and they still have a comfortable lead. It'll be interesting to see how they respond, if they respond at all. Is "arrogant Sony" back and will they do nothing? I doubt it, but I also doubt that they'll cut their price; more likely we'll see the current free game deal becoming permanent.
Welfare
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Maybe digital is just eating away at the retail numbers.
Dawnbuster
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Don't believe this person. His statement is completely unsourced which is why a mod PM'd him.
Sunset didn't chart in the top 10 of NPD, and all we know is that it would have been 9th if you exclude all but the highest platform of each multiplat (so Sunset is 9th if you only count Destiny for PS4, etc).
The last thing Insomniac needs is people thinking Sunset 2 is a given or worse, that it will be free with Gold eventually. They need more sales close to release (meaning now).
More sales = higher budget for sequel and more creative freedom too, I'd bet. I loved it and bought the Season Pass.
If anyone is on the fence about Sunset, it is getting some good discounts alongside FH2 this week and next.
DarthWalden
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I really think without any kind of black Friday esque deals from Sony that December is going to be a bloodbatch in MS favour.
I'm thinking like 900K for XBO and 350K for PS4
That's pretty damn funny.
CosmicQueso
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No digital is included in NPD.
Yep. Been heading that way for 2 years, but this new gen has really kicked up digital adoption in a huge way.
That's a good ballpark estimate. Considering how PC friendly the title is (digital PC also not included in NPD, and digital is approx. 90% of PC market), could bump that % digital estimate up a bit.
TheLegendary
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Hope it stays competitive in the US because I want to pick up a PS4 soon to complete my console collection. Two remasters wasnt enough to make me jump in for their Black Friday deals. There werent enough exclusives to justify a PS4 if you have an Xbox already especially when the graphical differences for multiplats has gotten progressively smaller since launch
I can't see The Order or Bloodborne having mass market appeal so I'm assuming things will stay relatively even between the two, which I'm hoping leads to some pricing movement by April/May.
I can't see The Order or Bloodborne having mass market appeal so I'm assuming things will stay relatively even between the two, which I'm hoping leads to some pricing movement by April/May.
gaming_noob
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You would assume digital sales would be easier to track. i.e. speak with MS/Sony for their official logged numbers.
TheBanditKing
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Not just that though. I don't know how many X1's sold to potential PS4 customers, there are a lot of people who wanted an X1 and were fence sitting waiting for a good deal (not sure how Asscreed is a good deal tho lol) but I think thats where most of the sales came from. Competition is good so congrats to MS. Lets see how December goes but reading all these "return of the king" posts is making me laugh, MS king of gaming lol.
Aquamarine
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Looks like the thread has calmed down now.
Might have to start participating. ;-)
That's not precisely correct.
Might have to start participating. ;-)
That's not precisely correct.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Microsoft might not be decreasing their production costs at the same rate as Sony. If we believe that they both signed up to produce 1 million units per month for 12 months that'd be 12 million units each. Microsoft has shipped about 10 million (2 million still in warehouses) of those to retailers. Sony has shipped far more. In the coming year do you think Microsoft will produce a million a month? I don't. By not producing as many units there is a lower discount for production materials. Sony is likely to ramp up productions and will recieve an even bigger discount for materials.
And why they will share data with NPD?
But it's in the ballpark, right? That's the best we can do by running the information we do have through some calculations.
BriareosGAF
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As someone who played the first two on PC--Origin.
DarthWalden
Banned
I grabbed it from the prediction thread based on the pie chart. Its hard to sift through 100+ pages of data to find that out.
It's probably not precisely correct but close enough id think
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
As as some have suggested and I agree with, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if that was MS plan all along.
Have the price cut actually be permanent, but advertise it as temporary to create a sense of urgency and sales boost.
Aquamarine
Member
It is indeed in the ballpark. But there are issues with it.
breakfuss
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I'm especially disappointed 2K didn't use the opportunity to push a next-gen Borderlands. Not sure if that's the same thing you're saying since it is an established franchise.
Actually we have 1.24m and 0.84m
lol no. Battlefield still sold tons on origin.
anexanhume
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Amazon's charts right now suggest that's very exaggerated. AC bundle is at 6th, PS4 with free game at 21. Destiny bundle (only discounted $10) is at #65. Lots of PS4 games in the top 20, and that's not because of the free game deal (digital only).
Irrespective of numbers, how accurate is the gap?
Understood. Like I said, it's about the best we can do given the circumstances, so it'll have to do.
Aquamarine
Member
That's also not precisely correct.
I tink they bet that olg gen software sales would remain stronger than they are now.
Cool and calculated. But yeah, there is just no going back now that it is working. They would just be shooting themselves in the foot if they did.
theprodigy
Member
SoulSilver outsold HeartGold pretty convincingly over here in the US
because Lugia>Ho-oh, just like Kyogre>Groudon
In that case I will wait for more precise data.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
They're low.
BriareosGAF
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Sorry--wasn't universalizing. Just giving a personal reason why I haven't bought DA3 despite owning the previous entries (and just about every other Bioware game).
CosmicQueso
Member
One would think that, yes.
However, from first party perspective, they get no benefit from sharing that information.
Retail gets a benefit by selling data to NPD, who then repackage it and sell it to the publishers, analysts, etc.
First parties see competitive advantage in this data, and many publishers also don't want detail of their data shared.
It's actually more complicated, but because of business reasons, not data ones.
NPD is trying to figure this out... maybe they'll be able to convince everyone that sharing this information will be a good thing.
What were the first month numbers we had for Destiny on all consoles?
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