Thunder Monkey
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Was not meaning WiiU with his post.
Everyone know WiiU is the doomedest thing that ever doomed.
NPD Sales Results for November 2014 [Up3: NPD Data Error, AC:U #5]
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Everyone know WiiU is the doomedest thing that ever doomed.
Xbox is here to stay for this gen and clearly MSFT are backing it up (with a keen eye I'm sure). They have bigger plans with windows 10 client side and xbox is part of that equation.
Motion controls with the Wii remote was one thing but now it seems that Microsoft and Sony (along with other companies) are already taking the initiative with the next immersive gaming experience of AR/VR next year.
I don't know what other crazy attraction they can pull next time to make that strong come back.
I think it is heavily dependent on
a.) Just how well Xbox One does in December NPD (I'm guessing 250k gap in MS's favor)
b.) What MS will decide regarding the return of XBO to $399.99 (I'm guessing it stays at $349.99 minus a game pack-in)
c.) And what the week-to-week average becomes for both PS4 and XBO during the off-holiday months.
I think by March they'll have a pretty good idea internally when they plan their price cut. If Microsoft seems to be catching up especially fast to their LTD in US, I think they'll announce one either in July or by September. I think given how Sony has traditionally been, they will want to connect the price drop to a big release. I don't know what "Unchartuardy" is, but if it does make 2015 it depends how late in the year it will be. Sony might not want to wait to price drop the system if Uncharted 4 looks unlikely to make it before late November, if things got really close between MS and Sony.
If maybe Sony does better than anticipated due to its really stacked 2015 game releases, then maybe Sony doesn't care how late they price drop and will use Uncharted 4.
Yeah. There's nothing wrong with it, ya know? The gamepad, I mean. Wii U plays good games. One or two gamepad concepts had decent ideas in it. Um, and Nintendo games in their traditional genres continue to be really fun and engaging gameplay experiences, only this time they are also frequently gorgeous as well. But it wasn't going to move this market in the face of the battle raging between XBO and PS4. PS4 especially at first just nailed so many right notes in the face of XBO's scandal that many had no problem waiting it out for Sony.
A Human Becoming
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If you still count it, the Vita is more doomed.
Imagine if MS actually just pumped huge amounts of cash into making more studios. They could probably rival ND. Instead of just buying up games etc.
I seriously doubt it. It really doesn't seem to have anywhere near the hype that DaS or DaS2 had.
I am expecting 150k-200k opening for Bloodborne.
Trevelyan9999
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In Gamecube's 3rd holiday season it was selling for $99 with Mario Kart Double Dash releasing around the same time. Big difference with Wii U selling for $299 with not much advertising push from Nintendo. Nintendo is trying to make a profit on Wii U consoles sold per unit, so that might be why they didn't pull a Microsoft $70-100 dollar price cut for the holidays (some XB1's were being sold for $299 on Black Friday- same price as the Wii U in a lot of places).
Nintendo most likely understands now that the Wii U hardware itself is simply not appealing to the causal gamers or many core gamers, they don't understand it, don't know why they need one etc etc..... Very slowly though the Wii U sales are increasing month after month due to the quality of the games alone, then probably next year Nintendo will have a price drop when they can lower their own cost of making the system substantially enough.
Nintendo is trying to do the slow burn with the Wii U, making it profitable to them without spending too much money on marketing a gimmicky idea that is too late to sell the hardware.
JackLongRod
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Yeah I thought it was another joke post (by looking how long it was) and actually it wasn't lol.
psn
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While I agree that there is still room for improvement, they have a comfortable lead worldwide.
Afaik outside of UK - I think people think it's bigger than it is, so here is a comparison of the markets:
and the US, it is not really competitive.
The last numbers we had showed a 3:1 lead in germany. In spain it was 7:1.
There is no need to overreact.
Thunder Monkey
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Unified software line. With two pieces of hardware. One designed for on the go play, and the other for home play.
That's all I can think of that would allow them to have vibrant software support for both, but that also means a consolidation of both play styles, and Visual output. So, not likely to have a 3D screen, and touch seems less likely as well.
Hexa
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Oh shit. I just remembered something. Morpheus. That's definitely going to launch next year right? They were 85% done in September.
If they handle this correctly, this would give them a maaaaaaaajor advantage that would definitely swing things their way.
If they handle this correctly, this would give them a maaaaaaaajor advantage that would definitely swing things their way.
gamechanger87
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Agree. Maybe 300k max. It's a very niche and hardcore title. It's more a console mover for those who already wanted one anyway.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
A lot of people say this, but what does this even mean? There was a lot of speculation before launch that MS was going to allow cross-platform development for apps on the Windows store, and that never became a thing. Aside from allowing a version of Windows to run through the Xbox, I don't see how Windows 10 integration really helps.
Thunder Monkey
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shinra-bansho
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Are there historical examples of unappealing products actually having meaningful turn-arounds as a result of lowering the price without fundamentally altering the rest of the proposition in some manner to better align with consumer needs?
That's risky though. They can spend a lot of capital, man power/headaches up front and have the product flop or they can buy an established game or a new game from an established developer. What do you think they would choose?
mercenar1e
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it's a spanish or latin word or something means life
it's a linguist thing i guess
gamechanger87
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I'm not sure dropping a 250+ accessory is going to drive new console sales
iPhone
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
Gotta hand it to MS. They wanted this badly, and they damn well earned it.
Competition, indeed, is good.
Competition, indeed, is good.
Really?
Consider their latest games.
Dragon Age 2...some liked it but man the hatred that game received. Only good thing that came out of it was a friends gay joke.
No Worries he is gay so he can tell those as I'm brown so I can tell racist jokes.
Mass Effect 3. Do we really need to point out the shit storm?
Origin: It's getting better. Still worrisome.
Shyakugaun
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So CBOAT, the forums apparent God was wrong again ? Or No? lol
*rolleyes*
Thunder Monkey
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SwiftDeath
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That actually brings up the point that activision came to Nintendo offering some type of deal to have skylanders exclusively on their consoles and Nintendo turned them down which considering how well skylanders used to do was a terrible move in hindsight.
I expect Nintendo's next dedicated hardware to be cheap and with good profit margins built in. Readily accessible by children for example.
They could be working on a hybrid system, like Vita/PlayStation TV except without all of the compatibility issues of the PSTV.
They sure could have put up more of a fight. Sony certainly allowed MS to get their foot back in the door in the US.
Nightengale
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Sony's $299 price drop was announced and happened the same day.
My guess would be "E3, *price dropped pricing*, tomorrow."
Problem with that analogy is that any company is willing to burn money if the returns are great. Nadella can only throw money so far until there's a mutiny in his hands and certain divisions get downsized. Nothing financially and number crunching assumptions makes me believe MS will make a profit within thr year and next. There hemorraghin money, faster than they can make big profits. Soon MS will pass out.
I never said I don't get it. I was just thinking it would be great for more exclusive games being made from MS own studios.
BlackBuzzard
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Perfect example of what have you done for me lately.
Exactly. Why don't they do that, if they can just keep on freely spend money on the brand in general? I'd like to know the answer to that.
Thunder Monkey
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I made an enemy in SmokyDave this day.
Sorry Smoky.
Sorry Smoky.
Judging by November sales - it seems that the price was the only unappealing aspect. This is not a knock to the system - but if its alot cheaper than the competition and has "samey" feature set its going to sell. Some of the deals truly seemed like a steal. Money talks.
CapHarlock
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Question, because I have not looked in awhile do retail stores still carry Vita?
that's sooo 2002
prag16
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It's up year over year and the company just returned to profitability. Just now referring to Nintendo as the Titanic is strange. 3DS down YoY is bad, sure, but did people expect it to be up? I didn't. Things looked worse at various points in the past than they do now.Wii U's 2015 numbers at this rate are going to be profoundly bleak. I am not looking forward to seeing those results month after month. This is going to be one slow Titanic sinking
Hawk269
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I don't see that at all. From the rumors, Morpheus is not going to be cheap, so the cost of entry of a PS4 & Morpheus headset and a game is going to be costly. It all depends on how much the device cost. If it is too expensive, it will be more of a niche thing for many. I just don't see it being priced low enough to make many current PS4 owners and new PS4 owners to buy it.
vpance
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Yeah, I've suggested the same thing. It's in their best interests to find a different differentiator to Xbone than just their current power advantage, since price ultimately sways the consumer the most, at least in the US, and they don't enjoy that advantage anymore. VR has the potential to capture the attn of the mainstream if it's presented right.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Naw, DAI had the best debut in the franchise ever, that's great considering the bad rep of da2 and how every other franchise is like down this month. Another down 25% for cod? Ouch
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Pretty much. By the time Zelda launches
and Super Mario Galaxy HD Collection
They will both launch with a 3D Mario Game
2015 will be QOL year (I seriously think it's still a Japan-only device), China launch, and strengthening their financials.
Thunder Monkey
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Cow Goes Moo
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nah, it would be gamescom as stryke pointed out, sony historically has announced hardware price drops at gamescom
for all if not most major regions at least