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NPD Sales Results for November 2015 [Up3: Combined Hardware For PS4 + XB1 + Wii U]
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spatenfloot
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Best Buy has a $50 gift card with PS4 consoles this week, so effectively the same price.
I feel like my tag should be linked in every NPD op and changed to "Hourly Charts are bad mmk." Then again I doubt it would make any difference. Trying to stem the tide of hourly posts is akin to plugging the dam with ones finger. Shits gonna break through regardless. Just wish we didn't have to perpetually repeat ourselves like a damn broken record.
Anyone who regularly participated in sales discussion knows this. Those claiming otherwise are just attempting to tend to their own bruised egos because it's apparently a personal affront when many seem to agree that your preferred brand isn't selling as much as the competition. These too shall pass once prime time season is behind us.
At this point it seems like a sure thing that PS4 will lead the pack. The only question is by how much. I personally was pretty unimpressed with the new Star Wars movie so I was skeptical of the impact it would have on the HW sales but apparently I'm in the small minority when it comes to the movie. Most seem to have loved it and it does seem to have had a very large impact on sales when coupled with the promotional price drop.
I'm curious to see how many still feel the same way about the film after the hype and nostalgia begins to fade. I don't think it will be remembered as fondly as the response would lead many to believe but I digress. In conclusion nostalgia is a helluva drug and clearly I underestimated its sway.
spatenfloot
Member
Damn Broken Record is #1 on the hourly charts right now, followed by NPD:Worldwide.
I'm not sure I've ever mentioned, but I write in my free time that isn't anime or gaming related, and I'm in the editing stages of a novel manuscript, so I'm pretty critical of a lot of fiction, and movies in particular, since the medium has to be cohesive with the characterization within a shorter period of time.
I loved the Force Awakens, and I felt like it made up for the Prequels in every way. It hit many of the same story beats as New Hope/Empire, but in ways that felt fresh for its characters and themes, as well as having the new aspect of reintroducing us to old friends that tie in the core of the mythos of the whole setting. And that's coming from someone who knew several of the major events would happen based on predicting the thematic elements and character tropes as they were displayed. I was almost never 'surprised' by the movie, because of my experience writing, but the methodology used to bring those pieces together, with the acting, effects, and how the story beats were paced, did an excellent job, and I'm excited about the new films in the future.
And from talking with customers who have seen it, it brings back the joy of the original trilogy, it feels wondrous again, and parents are showing their kids and excited about it. Universal appeal is I think a good way to phrase it. It doesn't have any of the ham-fisted crap that Lucas put into Episode 1, I feel.
I'm not a writer but I have studied literature. That said I'm not generally very critical of films or most media. I tend to enjoy things for what they are provided I feel they were coherent or at the very least comprehensible. But I left the theater pretty confused about much of what transpired in the film. Much of what I observed failed to resonate to the degree you would think it would have given the characters and story involved. As such I started to think about the events of the film and I, personally, found a lot of the character and plot development to be either bizarrely placed or downright lacking myself. I can't really delve into much detail without getting into spoiler territory but the entire movie seemed a bit rushed to me. Things that I felt should have been a big emotional reveal were delivered very early on with very little impact. Other things felt like they could have been fleshed out a lot better.
There's no question that it's a vast improvement over the prequels but that isn't really saying much. The prequels felt downright insulting and grossly offensive at times. I never got that from TFA but it felt very hollow to me. The things that, when thinking back on the movie, should have been moving or impactful just didn't feel that way at all. Instead it seemed to rely heavily on nostalgia instead of context to deliver meaning and often felt like it was telling and not showing. I realize that I'm clearly in the minority though and that's fine. I am 100% clear on that. But I am curious as to how the film will hold up as time progresses a bit. I think the shortcomings I noticed in the film might be getting glazed over by nostalgia for a lot of people.
That said I could be wrong about that as well but it's just odd to me that I'm on the opposite side of this fence. Generally I'm one to tout the positives of a film and encourage others to do the same but for once it seems like I'm one of very few that's conflicted about an otherwise successful and popular movie. It's a really odd feeling. It's like feel bad for not liking it as much as so many others seem to. As if I'm somehow missing out on something somehow.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
If this was aimed at me, you just couldn't be more wrong.
And hourly charts are always used for confirmation bias. Just pick the hour what helps with your opinion.
Ps4 price is back up at 349$.
Europe is still at 299e until 22/12 so expect huge numbers from Europe.
From one of Portuguese biggest retailers :
https://m.worten.pt/inicio/worten-gamer/consolas/consolas-ps4/consola-ps4-500gb-preto.html
Europe is still at 299e until 22/12 so expect huge numbers from Europe.
From one of Portuguese biggest retailers :
https://m.worten.pt/inicio/worten-gamer/consolas/consolas-ps4/consola-ps4-500gb-preto.html
Trust me. I'm a PhD
Member
Preeeeety sure he is talking about the infamous Noobie^^
It's over.
Aye, but gven the PS4 is available most pther places, even online, that just means the monthly might not quite reflect the actual (mind the) GAP... And Amazon is pretty much our only source, as flawed as it is.
Thank god for our insiders...
Us sales addicts would otherwise be ool.
Maybe next decate!
I predict 36.50 million.
KillerMan91
Member
In November in US alone PS4 was up yoy by huge amount and can't see that changing in December. In Japan PS4 is also up yoy during holiday season. Logically they should be up by decent margin even in their strongest market that is Europe. They will definitely announce some numbers in early January.
MAUs?
That's a really bold prediction.
Nightengale
Member
Well, Kaz needs something to boast about on the CES stage aside from sensors.
Well, Kaz needs something to boast about on the CES stage aside from sensors.
CES is always the time for "Why would you even do this?" announcements. Remember the Bloggie? They'll probably will do something really stupid like Xperia VR because Sony still sucks at inter division communication.
Neuromancer
Member
This shouldn't even be a surprise. The Gears of War brand is a lot more recognized and beloved than Star Wars.
Chobel
Member
KillerMan91
Member
You know what that would mean, right? +8m shipped this quarter
Which should happen easily. If PS4 sells something like 1.6 million in December in US it would be in US alone up around 1.2 million yoy this holiday quarter. I have hard time to believe that Europe + rest of the world wouldn't be up at least same amount. Last year Sony shipped 6.4 million PS4s during holiday quarter.
Complacent? You trolling, i really can't tell anymore.
Also How can anyone link amazon hourly charts and be doing it non ironically. Like you gave to be grasping at straws to think that's a viable tool to look at.
It's not too late for Sony wake up & realize the true metric of success.Wrong company
boredandlazy
Member
It's a mad world.
Hourly charts are way too small of a sample to derive anything from. Also the PS4 went out of stock.
If Sony announce that numbers, WW ratio vs. Xbone will be little above 2:1. Maybe 2.2:1 if ratio is now 2:1.
You know what that would mean, right? +8m shipped this quarter
No, this mean they Will probabily ship ~9 million.
So, i'm fine, because 9m is not 8m.
Amazon hourly charts and the misuse of another homonym?
I hate to reign on your parade, but hourly chart data is pretty useless.
slavesnyder
Member
Isn't January generally weak. I guess it will be very deflated if they are not establishing 299 as the price for at least the basic console without game.
You can expect the "console gaming is dead" crowd to come out of the woods and be shocked at the big drop in sales!!
serversurfer
Member
I'm guessing that will be Sony's strategy, at least. Going back to $350 is a bad idea, but not getting NDC free anymore shouldn't hurt sales too much, especially if they mark the game down too. Profitability should be fairly similar too, especially compared to the SW and BLOPS bundles at $350.
ArchedThunder
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I wonder if Sony will pull an MS and do a real price drop to 299 early next year, though I imagine they won't so that the price drop for the inevitable slim model next year is bigger.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Basically, this will be the recurring theme until next holiday.
January is almost always a slow month but I wouldn't be surprised if at least MS considers sticking with the $299 price.
PS4 Battlefront Bundle Online shown availability of stores in my area:
Walmart: 0 out of 5 stores shown have it available (avail Dec 30th)
Target (with free Taken King): 6 out of 20 stores shown have it available
Gamestop: 8/8 stores shown available (2 on low)
Best Buy (with free $50 gift card): 18/ 18 stores shown have it available
Abdiel was not kidding when they said that Sony was on the ball with Best Buy
Or Maybe Best Buy was more prepared for the onslaught, alongside Gamestop.
Walmart: 0 out of 5 stores shown have it available (avail Dec 30th)
Target (with free Taken King): 6 out of 20 stores shown have it available
Gamestop: 8/8 stores shown available (2 on low)
Best Buy (with free $50 gift card): 18/ 18 stores shown have it available
Abdiel was not kidding when they said that Sony was on the ball with Best Buy
Or Maybe Best Buy was more prepared for the onslaught, alongside Gamestop.
slavesnyder
Member
Remember :
If you drop the price to 299, what will you do for special promos?
It's always good to have some room for timed promos.
Obliterator
Member
Them Battlefront bundles are gonna be a difficult item to find post Christmas unless Sony gets to shipping some more
I think they'll ship them as long as TFA is in cinemas.
Obliterator
Member
Then they better start ramping up because its THE bundle for December
So you prefer selling 10 extra units through special promos in a whole year then selling 20 extra units every month through new low price. I don't believe thats a very good strategy.
Also I personally think Sony will never be able to match PS 2 numbers if they don't make PS4 price to $199 well before the launch of PS5.
Also they need to hit a sweet spot for the success of PS VR. I personally believe you don't get a second chance when you introduce a new idea. Kinect was received much better then kinect 2. Wii did far better then PS move. So if they fail in PS VR then they should be ready to say good bye for good to any form and idea of virtual reality gaming.
serversurfer
Member
A $300 PS4 likely won't need much in the way of promotion, but there's always free games, Plus subs, PSN/retailer credit, etc.
$300 with no game should do pretty well, and I don't see how it really paints them in to any corners.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
2160p Adaptive-Sync 120Hz 10bit HDR superMHL OLED monitors. Believe.Well, Kaz needs something to boast about on the CES stage aside from sensors.