Jarod McChicken
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Thanks ! That will be useful next month.
I'm going with PS4 at #15 and Xbox One at #19
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NPD Sales Results for November 2015 [Up3: Combined Hardware For PS4 + XB1 + Wii U]
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Thanks ! That will be useful next month.
I'm going with PS4 at #15 and Xbox One at #19
DriftingSpirit
Member
I think PS4 will make it to 17 or 18 and X1 will be just under or above 20.
I know one thing. I am not going to let the pessimists talk get to me this time! Going all out for December predictions!
I know one thing. I am not going to let the pessimists talk get to me this time! Going all out for December predictions!
DriftingSpirit
Member
Yeah, the bundle has been going in and out of stock at a rapid pace the last few days. Those bundles are getting devoured the moment they hit the shelves.
How are handheld sales at all relevant to that comparison? Seeing as both PS4 and XB1 are home consoles how about we just compare them to home console sales. So eliminating the irrelevant data we get:
TOP 10 BIGGER DECEMBERS EVER SINCE 2000
1) Wii - 3,810,000 ( December 2009)
2) PS2 - 2,733,000 (December 2002)
3) Wii - 2,360,000 (December 2010)
4) Wii - 2,150,000 (December 2008)
5) PS2 - 1,971,000 (December 2001)
6) PS2 - 1,970,000 (December 2003)
7) 360 - 1,860,000 (December 2010)
8) 360 - 1,700,000 (December 2011)
9) PS2 - 1,500,000 (December 2005)
10) 360 - 1,440,000 (December 2008)
I think PS4 will likely take ninth place. I don't think XB1 will sell enough to exceed the current ninth place so I don't think it will make the cut for the list.
So my prediction is
1700k > PS4 > 1500k
1500k > XB1 > 1300k
I really don't understand why you would insert handheld data into a discussion about home consoles. What purpose does that serve Ryng?
February/March as the SFV/Uncharted 4 bundles and hype comes out.
Can be my only guess as they don't have anything that will even come close to the SFV/UC4 one-two combo that will hit. (yes, IIRC Quantum Break is coming out during that timeframe, but c'mon.......no comparison)
DeadOnions
Member
SFV isn't going to budge hardware anywhere outside of Japan. Uncharted however will do wonders, I'm hoping for a bundle of the collection and 4.
DriftingSpirit
Member
MS should do a Halo 5 bundle that comes with Halo MCC for early next year.
PanicFreak
Member
You're not getting NDC and Uncharted 4 in a single bundle in March. Sony will probably do a premium U4 bundle in March and maybe the bundle you want for Holiday 2016.
Microsoft would be wise to leave MCC in the past and just do a $350 or a $299 Halo 5 bundle.
Honestly, for me handhelds and Home are not that difference, both are console, home console and handhelds console, i play with both.
So, i always include handhelds.
DeadOnions
Member
I'll take the premium one, Sony has a killer line up next year and avoiding Uncharted spoilers for six months wouldn't be fun.
They are vastly different markets. It's like comparing Apples to Oranges because both are fruits.
slavesnyder
Member
lose -> loose
50/50 -> 500/500
Nowadays? Not really.
Lines are blurred pretty well considering both are squeezed one way or another. They're what's considered the traditional packaged/retail gaming market
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Have we had any indication of how well the PS4 and XB1 are doing this month from our insider friends?
mejin
Member
Yep, that's what I believe too. If they burn their card right now, they will surely get more sales but next year they will have few options to attract new buyers.
I think most of XB1 exclusives do not have the potential to be great system sellers. For now, Gears 4 is their ace next year.
So, Microsoft will wait for the right time to launch a $300 Halo 5 bundle. Maybe when sales will be screaming on 2nd quarter.
I can't believe we are still having this same conversation in a month were both leading consoles broke sales records for their respective brands whilst the major handheld suffered a very large decline YoY. Clearly home consoles are far from "squeezed" and have proven much more resilient than handheld has to the effects of mobile. If anything the line has become even more pronounced as evident by the increasingly anemic sales of handhelds.
gundamkyoukai
Member
The lines have not been blur at all .
Handheld and consoles are still very different markets .
Japan and the western sales shows how different if we look at hardware numbers.
The traditional packaged/retail gaming market was going to change no matter what since everything going to be DD.
slavesnyder
Member
3DS is already prehistoric.
Maybe a new Handheld would sell better. Not likely but who knows.
Would not write them off completely.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Nope, not yet!
Baring some kind of miracle or fire sale from Redmond, the 3ds is likely going to be the 2nd best selling 8th gen platform ww. And that's through the age of smartphones.
I don't think so, like i said both are console. Handhelds, and home console.
And the sales aren't that difference all considering.
The first place is for a home console (Wii), and the second for a handhelds (DS).
The numbers are pretty comparable... so, in my comments, i add home and handhelds. =)
Anyway, since some people could be interesting
TOP 20 BIGGER DECEMBERS ( HOME ONLY )
1) Wii - 3,810,000 ( December 2009)
2) PS2 - 2,733,000 (December 2002)
3) Wii - 2,360,000 (December 2010)
4) Wii - 2,150,000 (December 2008)
5) PS2 - 1,971,000 (December 2001)
6) PS2 - 1,970,000 (December 2003)
7) 360 - 1,860,000 (December 2010)
8) 360 - 1,700,000 (December 2011)
9) PS2 - 1,500,000 (December 2005)
10) 360 - 1,440,000 (December 2008)
11) PS2 - 1,400,000 (December 2006)
12) 360 - 1,400,000 (December 2012)
13) PS3 - 1,360,000 (December 2009)
14) WII - 1,350,000 (December 2007)
15) 360 - 1,310,000 (December 2009)
16) XB1 - 1,290,000 (December 2014)
17) PS3 - 1,210,000 (December 2010)
18) GC - 1,163,000 (December 2003)
19) XBOX - 1,122,000 (December 2003)
20) PS2 - 1,100,000 (December 2007)
TOP 20 BIGGER DECEMBERS (HANDHELDS ONLY)
1) DS - 3,310,000 (December 2009)
2) DS - 3,040,000 (December 2008)
3) DS - 2,500,000 ( December 2010)
4) DS - 2,470,000 (December 2007)
5) GBA - 2,316,000 (December 2003)
6) GBA - 2,215,000 (December 2002)
7) GBA - 2,060,000 (December 2004)
8) 3DS - 1,650,000 (December 2011)
9) GBA - 1,618,000 (December 2001)
10) DS - 1,600,000 (December 2006)
11) 3DS - 1,250,000 (December 2012)
12) GBA - 1,213,000 (December 2005)
13) PSP - 1,120,000 (December 2005)
14) 3DS - 1,100,000 (December 2013)
15) DS - 1,070,000 (December 2005)
16) PSP - 1,060,000 (December 2007)
17) PSP - 1,020,000 (December 2008)
18) PSP - 953,000 (December 2006)
19) GBA - 851,000 (December 2006)
20) 3DS - 810,000 (December 2014)
I'm really curious about how much of a spike Battlefront is seeing this week.
Personally, I very much doubt new HW is going to stem the dropoff that has accompanied the meteoric rise of mobile gaming. I doubt we will see growth in the handheld market anymore. I could be wrong of course but even if I am that doesn't disprove my initial point that handhelds and home consoles are very different markets. this is exemplified not only by the resiliency difference but also the seemingly inverse relationship the two markets have WW (Japan v US).
I don't see what this has to do with anything I said. You gauge growth and decline versus the same platform YoY or previous iterations LTD. which when comparing 3DS to itself or to DS
it becomes blatantly obvious that the "age of smartphones" has had a very tangible impact. The fact that it may or may not out sell the XB1 WW has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the conversation.
Steverulez
Member
I think the handheld market partially dropped off due to the very high prices that Sony and Nintendo charged for their new hardware and software. Im less familiar with the original RRP of the 3DS (just bought a new 3DS XL myself) but whilst the PSVita is a great piece of hardware $250 was far too much for the market and Sony have decided that dropping its price is either unfeasible or pointless.
Software prices arent great either but I think that pricing was a big problem along with the rise of mobile gaming.
Hardware price was definitely $50-100 too high for 3DS and Vita but I think software prices are the real barrier. It's just too difficult to compete with "free", especially with focusing on $30-40 retail releases.
Handhelds now have basically been reduced to the established core gaming market, where in the west they've usually been seen as complimentary or secondary to home consoles. The kids audience used to be their bread and butter, even before the casual/seniors influx DS brought, but that market has moved almost completely to iOS and Android now outside Japan. It's taken a major chunk of the userbase away, and while it's short term impact has decimated handhelds (and more youth oriented consoles like Wii U) it's going to have a long term knockdown effect on more traditional home consoles too as their core audiences ages. An industry that can't bring in new consumers is an industry with an expiration date.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Is this NPD or worldwide?
It's NPD.
NPD. That'd be bad WW ha
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Amazon are constantly selling out and then restocking and the bundle is STILL at #1, so I'm guessing it's selling like crazy
edit: According to Amazon the SW Bundle is now sold out until after Christmas.
In a NPD thread, i Always talk about US
Well, 3.81 million is not bad even worldwide.
slavesnyder
Member
Where are our fabulous retail moles?
So, November both were way over a million each.
December too?
I'd say PS4 yes, Xbox One no.
So, November both were way over a million each.
December too?
I'd say PS4 yes, Xbox One no.
December is typically better than november. Especially since it's 5 weeks vs 4.
slavesnyder
Member
November sucked sales out of October.
I'm afraid it did this also with december.
Nevertheless thanks for the 5 weeks reminder.
I can see Sony snatch spot 4 or 5 in that list and MS 8 or 9 since they are selling better than last gen consoles are doing last gen
You know, there is ROTW also.
slavesnyder
Member
Maybe they already produced as much as possible in their setup. As stated by Conduit, they have an international market to serve that should go bananas, too.
Producing more than the max would lead to more assembly lines and distribution chains just for this one month. That's costly and risky and might not be worth it. Step-fixed costs...
Steverulez
Member
Probably too busy supplying them to Gamestop who make up 50%(?) of the market
I'm wondering that too, if they diverted way more to Walmart and Gamestop this christmas as those account for the bulk of video game sales.
And bestbuy. There is a huge stack of SW bundles right when you walk in the door. Four bundles were sold just in the short time I was there.
Looking online for BF PS4 bundles, it looks like BestBuy was one to really stock up huge amounts in anticipation (as hinted by Abdiel). No store looks to be low or oos in my area, at least for now.
Amazon has been sold out for days now, getting it back in stock from time to time, but even at $349 from 3rd party seller it's back to #1 in hourly sales.
Target seems to be OOS for online, and in a pick up check in my area out of 10 stores: 5 are low on stock, 3 are out of stock, and only 2 have it readily in stock.
Walmart shows our of 5 stores in my area 3 are out of stock (until the 30th), 2 have it available.
Gamestop in my area out of 8 stores 6 have it readily available and 2 are low.
Amazon has been sold out for days now, getting it back in stock from time to time, but even at $349 from 3rd party seller it's back to #1 in hourly sales.
Target seems to be OOS for online, and in a pick up check in my area out of 10 stores: 5 are low on stock, 3 are out of stock, and only 2 have it readily in stock.
Walmart shows our of 5 stores in my area 3 are out of stock (until the 30th), 2 have it available.
Gamestop in my area out of 8 stores 6 have it readily available and 2 are low.
But, I thought that was GAF.
Steverulez
Member
Surely they won't... unless they feel that the sales for the month are mostly done (which maybe be true I'm not much of an expert on sales trends at retail in NA over Christmas)
There's many people who go out and get quick Christmas gifts. Would be silly to raise the price in my opinion.
You'll have parents set on buying the console only to see that it's $50 more in comparison to when they were doing their research on how much it costs.
It would be sillier than what MS did back in January in my opinion since January isn't a big month for console sales like December is.
You'll have parents set on buying the console only to see that it's $50 more in comparison to when they were doing their research on how much it costs.
It would be sillier than what MS did back in January in my opinion since January isn't a big month for console sales like December is.
Welfare
Member
I think the PS4 will be the new #9 and the Xbox One #10
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
GAF is marketing, Amazon is sales.