In Europe they'd have a shot at getting some of the 360 early adopters back who want the next new thing. I think a lot of them now went with PS4 and don't see the need to get the other console. I would go so far as to say launching with a healthy head start is the only way of getting market share back in continental Europe. If they launch directly against Playstation again with a similar console and Sony doesn't make grave mistakes, I don't see them gaining ground again.
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NPD Sales Results for November 2015 [Up3: Combined Hardware For PS4 + XB1 + Wii U]
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In Europe they'd have a shot at getting some of the 360 early adopters back who want the next new thing. I think a lot of them now went with PS4 and don't see the need to get the other console. I would go so far as to say launching with a healthy head start is the only way of getting market share back in continental Europe. If they launch directly against Playstation again with a similar console and Sony doesn't make grave mistakes, I don't see them gaining ground again.
What kind of dev doesn't care about sales? If it's not selling, then people aren't playing their game that they worked very hard on, and that's extremely disheartening. No developer likes to produce bombs.
if i was assuming wii-like success (or less than that, but not abysmal like wii u), nintendo probably wasn't expecting to drop the price on it for several years. that, or they may have thought about redesigning it once certain components became cheaper or something. i'm sure those plans were jettisoned after 2013.
CD really need the sales. They can try and put on a strong face to the public but Rise has a massive drop in sales versus its predecessor. Not good when trying to rebuild a franchise. I don't see a third tomb raider happening unless the ps4 and PC versions sell really well. Unless the budget for the sequel gets cut by 70 percent. Or square Enix or ms or Sony like to throw money away.
justsomeguy
Member
From what I've read, TR is a superb game - real shame for the dev team not to see that translate into commercial success at this stage. Let's hope for a huge PR push when it launches on PC + later on PS4.
So much kudos to Sony for incredible figures - the Star Wars marketing tie in was a fantastic deal for them.
The original launch, plan, messaging, spec and goals of the Xbox have so much to answer for. I can't wait to see what Xbox under Phil Spencer does next gen (wishing my life away...) - assuming he's not given the elbow for being so far behind Sony, of course.
So much kudos to Sony for incredible figures - the Star Wars marketing tie in was a fantastic deal for them.
The original launch, plan, messaging, spec and goals of the Xbox have so much to answer for. I can't wait to see what Xbox under Phil Spencer does next gen (wishing my life away...) - assuming he's not given the elbow for being so far behind Sony, of course.
The other thing I will add is that its not just about the physical machine though I believe.
Microsft as a company was very tainted in EU over the privacy issues when they broke just before the reveals starting hitting, especially in Germany and surrounding neighbours.
I still feel this has had a bigger effect then people realise.
For launching against Playstation they need a console more powerful than PS5 at the same price or lower, this has potential to change some hardcore players minds and create a trend for the generation.
Of course a console powerful and cheap isn't a simply equation and probably Microsoft isn't much open to the idea of bleed money with subsidies early in the cycle.
John Wick
Member
This hints to it. The initial approach may have been CD.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/8/5/910...-xbox-exclusive-microsoft-support-square-enix
Well, S-E knew would lose sales with this deal. It's possible that is selling worst than predicted, but they were fully aware that would be in a platform less popular and that historically Xbox public is less receptive to Tomb Raider.
In this scenario I don't think they're in shock and super worried with these sales, I mean, would be an incredible incompetence if S-E is not covered.
That is really really weak as evidence. It's basically just conjecture. Please refrain from stating things as fact when you have no actual proof to back it up. May have been is a far cry from what you said
That's stated with absolute certainty.
John Wick
Member
The final decision was obviously SE but I'm thinking either CD suggested the idea or had a part to play in it. Wasn't the initial exclusivity revealed by the developer?
John Wick
Member
Sorry my bad!
Newtype-001
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PS4 had a good month.. it won November.. damn..
Lmao already putting the gif to work.
Coulomb_Barrier
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What utter tripe.
slavesnyder
Member
I should tell this to my boss.
Well I mean success is a given when you factor in that 9:1 digital sales ratio.
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
No problem just avoid it in the future.
Maybe I should return too it200k is good. You lot are all crazy!
This what a brain looks like on denial. It's a terrifying sight to behold.
There is no amount of spin or creative accounting that could ever make 200k sales opening in the biggest sales month of the year a GOOD thing. Not to mention the 70% decline over the previous entry.
Maybe I should return too it
200k combined is a lot on the biggest Xbox market on black friday's and opening month? Who's crazy?
Yep, I capped it from the Twitch stream. Hilarious.
it's survival of the grittiest (if you weren't joking)
AnthonypUK
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That's what i heard too, the guy who told me said there will be other repercussions of that decision, so I'm waiting on that before I can deem it reliable.
creamsugar
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Platformer of 2014
3DS ~ 10
WiiU ~ 8.6
4 ~ 5.9
See you in a couple of days.
3DS ~ 10
WiiU ~ 8.6
4 ~ 5.9
See you in a couple of days.
Ninja Sharingan
Banned
It was a joke man. I was being sarcastic. I should have put /s but i thought it was obvious.
slavesnyder
Member
It's hard to spot sarcasm when some people can make equivalent statements while being perfectly serious around here
GHG
Member
I think people in the creative industry would prefer it if the masses got to, you know... Experience the content they created.
They didn't make the game for the fun of it. Despite the spin you are attempting to put on this, I'm sure the guys who put blood sweat and tears into the game will be sorely disappointed.
Put 'lol' before, during and after each sentence and repost it x20 times in this thread and you'll be back in top form.Maybe I should return too it
Awww, no, stay with us!
What creamsugar is talking about here people?
What 2014 platformer is that?
Also, why in a couple of days?
i assume it's shovel knight. that would be its second month.
Chobel
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TR
E PS4 sold almost 2:1 comapred to XBO version. If that were to happen with RoTTR, then it would surely have made it to top 10.Also, why in a couple of days?
He had to order in a bigger oven due to the size of the Pies!!
cartoon_soldier
Member
Good to see Halo 5 charting again.
Any numbers on it?
Any numbers on it?
It's everything to the BUSINESS not the development team, they're two different entities. Anyone who works in software development will tell you the same thing.
If as a business, you disband or let go of a team who've created an amazing product which was marketed poorly with a poor release date, you shouldn't be in your current role. Unless obviously, you go bust, but then that's your own fault, and then the dev team should be pissed.
Please, go on. All a dev team has to do is create an amazing product, they did that and they should/will feel proud. They'll be dissapointed it hasn't sold well, of course, but then again, that's not their problem. Like I've stated.
Chobel
Member
Expecting to lose some sales is something, expecting it to bomb on XBO is something else.
At very least SE should have expected XBO to gain some sales from PC/PS4. However in this case they lost sales from all the platforms.
By God, finally caught up in this thread.
My thoughts, PS4 and XB1 both did fucking impressive numbers.
But boy did I lowball PS4 in my prediction, it's amazing it reached 1.5m.
I really need Mulcair to save me now with COD bundles numbers (to evaluate how effective marketing partnership was) and Uncharted collection bundle numbers (to see potential growth in fanbase for uc4)
Quality is very important but no developer out there, especially one as big as CD wants a couple hundred thousand playing their game. I'm not sure some hollow PR elevates team spirits so hopefully Spence and co personally thanked them.
That being said, all those involved in the exclusivity/marketing etc are damn idiots.
I'm not even a bit shocked it's in 20-30 on NPD, what else could've happened?
More. Last year PS4 did 3-4million WW.
With the price cut effect we could be looking at up to 5-6 million.
My thoughts, PS4 and XB1 both did fucking impressive numbers.
But boy did I lowball PS4 in my prediction, it's amazing it reached 1.5m.
I really need Mulcair to save me now with COD bundles numbers (to evaluate how effective marketing partnership was) and Uncharted collection bundle numbers (to see potential growth in fanbase for uc4)
Quality is very important but no developer out there, especially one as big as CD wants a couple hundred thousand playing their game. I'm not sure some hollow PR elevates team spirits so hopefully Spence and co personally thanked them.
That being said, all those involved in the exclusivity/marketing etc are damn idiots.
I'm not even a bit shocked it's in 20-30 on NPD, what else could've happened?
More. Last year PS4 did 3-4million WW.
With the price cut effect we could be looking at up to 5-6 million.
Of course. Although, they won't be disappointed, more so peeved at certain peoples decisions, if they're that way inclined. Of course SE will be dissapointed with sales.
You guys also forget that not everyone on a team actually cares, they'll go to work, pick up tasks what they need to do that day, then go home. They'll be happy with the end product, and that's them happy. As long as they still have their job, which they will do, then smiles all round.
I'm also presuming MS paid for a lot of contractors to get them to meet the time-scale for them to get it out this holiday. Those guys will just move on to the next thing.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
So this is Sony's best November in the US? IIRC the previous record was PS2 with 1.4m.
Humm. You work on a game for +2 years, you want a maximum of people to actually play it. Talking from experience.
Also, bonuses, they're a thing.