semiconscious
Member
the game cover prominently features a hacker with a gun. sorry if i'm just not really seeing what's 'positive' or 'socially progressive' about that
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the game cover prominently features a hacker with a gun. sorry if i'm just not really seeing what's 'positive' or 'socially progressive' about that
...There is a lot of truth in what you are saying about big AAA SP experiences vs games as a service but maybe it also has something to do with the genre of these games as well. Both Deus Ex MD and Dishonored 2 underperformed. Maybe the gameplay loop needs to be updated for the masses to enjoy it. I have yet to play Dishonored 2, picked it up on BF but really enjoyed my time with Deus Ex MD even if the main story was a bit of a letdown.
LifeBrandRobot
Member
Black Ops 3 current gen and last gen were grouped together and the last gen version didn't have a campaign mode and was online only. I don't think ingame features have anything to do with it.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
It touches upon a larger issue of publishers losing the script on what it is the market wants out of big single player experiences. It's changed a lot in the passed 2-3 years, and games that were successfully launched as new IPs last gen aren't not finding the same successes now despite arugualy improved experiences
PlayStation Store: Novembers Top Downloads
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/12/12/playstation-store-novembers-top-downloads/
LifeBrandRobot
Member
Bad sign for Sony if true. All of their big games are single player experiences. Even the ones with MP like Uncharted are still only seen as SP games. They're releasing the only open world zombie game that's NOT MP lol.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Especially when the title "Dishonored" only means something if you can identify with the person who's honor has been taken from them! If you are going with a title like that, you need to really establish a name and a face for your protagonist that everyone knows.
If not, people are just gonna shrug it off. Promo's I saw on TV didn't get that across, just made it look like a pretty if generic Assassin's Creed spin-off.
I know it doesn't explain sales but I didn't like mankind divided or dishonored 2. Clearly I am the barometer.
People need to stop making their games so goddamn annoying. Playability is down across the board this gen for me. Mechanics seem needlessly complex.
People need to stop making their games so goddamn annoying. Playability is down across the board this gen for me. Mechanics seem needlessly complex.
I dunno.
Most core Sony for fans are in it for SP (whether that's enough to sustain them is another thing)
And they are filling the never ending open world thirst with Horizon, Days Gone and Spiderman while still being single player.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Funny you mention that, criticism of the Campaign's underwhelming story & characters are what prevented me from purchasing it, it's something I increasingly value.
outunderthestars
Banned
I keep running I to this as well.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Just because they don't have it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist
Who said it doesn't exist. I'm saying for the purposes of that conclusion Eshop sales aren't included, unless venturebeat decided to use external data and added it in and even it wouldn't be correct as that's hardly just an npd chart anymore.
Poimandres
Member
Dishonored 2 is pretty great, what is wrong with people?
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
It did. Which is why they had it for like $20 at every storefront imaginable
Jack The Nipper
Banned
This userbase idea doesn't matter. To say one game has more doesn't prove much.
The very idea of sales come more from perception. Obviously a userbase matters to a point but half or more of those 3Ds systems probably aren't even actively used or bought for.
Games sell a lot more with small based too. If course there are many factors involved. With increased competition and cod fans not liking the new gameplay it was inevitable to drop. A new modern warfare could possibly bring them back.
I'm mostly excited because I hope shooter devs stop copying the mp style and iron sight gameplay. Just make something unique and some depth again.
Siege is good but feel it can go further in being different.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
it is a common trend to confuse depth with complexity.
Personally I thought the gameplay mechanics for MD were a natural evolution from HR. If anything, they might not have been a big enough jump. So if you liked HR's gameplay you would be hard pressed to dislike MD. The main story on the other hand was a bit of a letdown especially when compared to the quality of the side missions.
Bad timing for launch. Dishonored 2 was obfuscated in november.
outunderthestars
Banned
Would really like to hear known how the 3DS would have done if Nintendo actually had inventory. I have not seen a 3DS or 2DS is a store around here since early November and no 2DS models in maybe five months.
LordBaztion
Member
hey, glad to see titanfall 2 there.
Poimandres
Member
Agreed it's absolutely not a game that should have gone head to head in the heavy hitter holiday season. I'm sure it will ultimately do alright, but I'm pretty concerned about its future now.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way and that it's not just that I'm bad.
And I loved the previous games in those series.
But that doesn't matter. It's not like console games sell based on how good they are in the first month.
ethomaz
Banned
Last month it didn't entered in the TOP10 too.
To be fair since the ranking is about revenue it has low changes to enter because well it is cheaper.... it showed when the ranking was about units.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Dishonored not in the top 20 downloads for the month? Yeesh.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I don't think SP games are going to make it unless there is a lot of content like a RPG \Open world .
You can also try to make them but the budget has to be lower .
You can also try to make them but the budget has to be lower .
Sho_Nuff82
Member
So over/under 500k first month for Resident Evil 7?
MatPiscatella
Member
OléGunner;226694948 said:
When games are made that are designed for hundreds of hours of play, there will certainly be winners and losers. You don't need to wait to see the impact of this, look around right now.
Sure. There's very little upside and a whole lot of risk in making $60 single player games now. Most games will be built with service models over the next few years in order to increase the opportunity. If a balance can be found there, single player games would be in a much better place.
They would have sold even more.
All about context though. This year is down in hardware partially because Nov 2015 was absolutely gigantic. Still selling more than in Nov 2014. 3DS is up vs YA.
There just wasn't the content this November to push lots of HW. Gotta remember the best seller of hardware is market moving software. With the top 3 down YoY, that will have an impact on HW.
Your concern should be more focused on software release count and the homogenization of big games that can drive HW.
Smaller release counts make every game released more important.
For my own personal gaming tastes, I can get behind this. In the rush to attract the "core" I think a lot of games are trying to have systems in order to cover being an action game with RPG elements, stealth mechanics and crafting systems. Personally, I'd like to see more games like DOOM. Pick what you are, and be really good at that one thing.
John Wick
Member
Pokémon is huge especially after the Pokémon Go game on mobile phones. That must have bought quite a few new players in. Also how many great other games were released on 3DS in November??? Or even in the last 2-3 months? Not many. So obviously a huge Nintendo IP is gonna do impressive numbers at launch.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
It's digital share is roughly 25% for the month
Not sure if this has been discussed yet but every major holiday release outside of Pokemon and Watchdogs 2 was on sale for $30 or under this BF. We saw aggressive sales of COD, BF1, Titanfall 2, Skyrim, Dishonored 2 and many, many other top titles. Some excellent digital sales as well. This was not been the case previous years and IMO it is a trend worth watching. Heck I even bought FFXV on X1 (yes I know inferior version graphically) for $30 from Newegg. You can't beat that as a consumer but this has to be somewhat concerning for major AAA publishers.
Dishonored was not on Holiday sale digitally so that might have been a factor. The one that is even more concerning is the lack of Deus Ex MD on PS4 which could be had for $24 with 20%off coupon.
Dishonored was not on Holiday sale digitally so that might have been a factor. The one that is even more concerning is the lack of Deus Ex MD on PS4 which could be had for $24 with 20%off coupon.
DarkLordMalik
Member
FFXV topping the charts in November for just 2 days of sales makes me very happy.
Here is a bold prediction. The game might open to 1+ million in NPD if we count digital + physical.
This should be higher than The Witcher 3, which opened to 700k.
Here is a bold prediction. The game might open to 1+ million in NPD if we count digital + physical.
This should be higher than The Witcher 3, which opened to 700k.
Welfare
Member
Sales for the Black Ops 3 and Limited UC4 bundles.
Isn't this comparison more like the 2016 top 2.5 versus the 2015 top 3? Seems like an odd delineation to make and claim only the top 3 really did terrible and the rest of the market was up.
And if we're voicing concerns about the AAA console market shouldn't Pokémon and 3DS sw sort of be set aside entirely? Was the PS4+One sw market outside the top 3 up?
The Witcher 3 number does not include digital sales and it was a May release. I could see FFXV doing around the same number physically or maybe slightly less based on its PAL performance. That said, both combined would still equal to less sales than FO4 last year.
Primethius
Banned
I would have gladly bought Deus Ex or Dishonored 2 in one of the slower months of the year at full price. Not sure why they would put those titles in such packed months.
I think publishers also need to start targeting release dates for certain titles during the periods in which games that are largely popular services (think Destiny) aren't releasing content.
Just on a personal level, it's hard for me to justify buying a game that releases on the same day as a new Hitman level for example. Or when new operators for Siege drop. I'm sure the same applies to others but for different titles.
I think publishers also need to start targeting release dates for certain titles during the periods in which games that are largely popular services (think Destiny) aren't releasing content.
Just on a personal level, it's hard for me to justify buying a game that releases on the same day as a new Hitman level for example. Or when new operators for Siege drop. I'm sure the same applies to others but for different titles.
CaviarMeths
Member
No, you really can't just handwave this. This is highly unusual, even considering the tired-ass "well, Nintendo fans have nothing else to buy" argument. Pokemon actually had two major disadvantages that CoD didn't have, (1) it had a $40 price point and (2) didn't include digital sales.
The difference is more due to the fact that CoD collapsed so much though. Pokemon is up, but CoD is way down.
get2sammyb
Member
Could help them. If all the other publishers branch off in the services direction, the Sony games may stick out that bit more and serve an audience that's not being satisfied by the third-parties.
Agreed. FYI, Deus Ex MD came out in August but it too was a sales disappointment then as it is now.
Reineldinho
Member
Agree on everything, but just fyi, Deus EX came out in August.
Interfectum
Member
Yup, same goes for Watch Dogs 2. The only reason I even bought the first was I was starved for something to play.
This year there is so much shit coming out I'll probably never play some of those games now.
And like you said, content expansions for current games play a role too. Hitman, Overwatch and Hearthstone are all keeping me pretty busy right now.
Meatyhooks
Neo Member
I'm almost giddy to see TF2 on this list. TF3! Belive!!!
And doom is so good! I really love how simple the game is.
Primethius
Banned
Haha yea, I was thinking or myself there a bit and got mixed up. Thanks for the heads up!
A Hitman episode dropped like 5-6 days before Deus Ex IIRC so that pretty much sealed the deal on whether I'd buy the game full price or not.