DarthWalden
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Not a chance. Halo would have to be practically DOA for that to happen. Microsoft ain't giving up those gold subscriptions.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2015 [Up1: Xbox #1]
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Not a chance. Halo would have to be practically DOA for that to happen. Microsoft ain't giving up those gold subscriptions.
Under a mill for Halo is a mega flop compared to expectations.
It would be like if CoD debuted at #1 next month with "only" 2 mill.
3rdamention
Member
Cosmic said some months games will hit 7 digits, this isn't one of those months...Cosmic has NPD numbers, that is where the less than 1 million came from...
Aceofspades
Banned
Correct me if Im wrong but Halo reach/3 both did ~3.3m NPD, Halo 5 doing ~1m is like the biggest drop I have ever seen for any franchise ever...damn WTF
How are you completely unaware of the context in which it is being called a flop?
Especially since you've been in this thread for a while now lmao
This has been a poor month for sales all-around.
where is that bingo picture?
Nightengale
Member
Fixed.
Considering the PS4 didn't win, a lot of the spaces on the PS4 side wouldn't be crossed out anyway.
The Artisan
Member
Oh, shit. Damn, if it's that much of a drop..
I asked if the exact number sold was posted, but I didn't get an answered.
$400M included $400 XB1 hardware bundles didn't it?
then again the dedicated market is shrinking at a pretty alarming pace so it was bound to catch up with even the biggest titles sooner or later.
Thanks all, I completely missed a few pages and didn't see those posts.
he amazes me sometimes. i should probably quote his avatar while i am at it but i am just waiting for cream right now before hitting the sack!
These NPD game sales argument are so baffling. You would have though after the 4 days Halo 5 was on sale in October MS took the game of the shelves and no more retail sales over the last 2 weeks have happen. No wonder companies don't like to release sale numbers. Its just a snap shot.
AgentP
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Dedicated what? If the market shrinks, that leaves the hard core behind, not the casuals. Hardcore Xbox owners are the ones who buy Halo games, well they did. My theory is they are aging and the game has not matured along with them.
Maybe they are putting Surface numbers together.
Attach rate should go up with shrinking install bases. Unless you are taking about digital sales, but those aren't a big enough factor yet to make a huge difference.
I dunno, how did Judgment and God of War Ascension sell back when they released? I don't recall the numbers, but they were pretty massive drops.
Because everything else was relatively low too (AC in particular has got to be a huge disappointment imo). Understand that Halo is (was) a monster franchise, only comparable to Gran Turismo, COD, Fallout, Elder Scrolls or GTA (considering it is only on 1 platform generally).
Selling under 1m in its US opening week is a huge fall, whether you end up topping the monthly chart or not.
What tripped the PS4 appears to not have been Halo at all (it sold about the same or a little under last year it seems, to be confirmed), but hugely attractive November only bundles and the hope for widespread $299 deals around BF in my opinion.
Obliterator
Member
In context yes. This is a flop for the franchise
DarthWalden
Banned
You could spin it a million ways to try to make it not look so bad but it is disappointing for Microsoft especially because it's probably one of the best games in the series.
This makes even less sense to me, especially since halo didn't make the splash we all thought it would.
Baroquemantic
Member
No way Halo 5 is under a mil standalone. That'd be crazy if true.
I'll have to buy a physical copy regardless cause of U4 BETA code. Still cheaper than at launch.
Cream busy today huh?
Considering most sales are frontloaded and considering COD launched a week later and you have BF launching in 5 days. It's facing stiff comp.
Seriously under 1 million is very disappointing even for 5 days on the market. For Halo mind you
Steverulez
Member
I think if you look at the Halo franchise they had Halo 4 which people didn't like the multiplayer of and played other games instead which may have been damaging, but they also had MCC which was broken and shouldn't have released in that state and that was definitely damaging.
Compare it to Gears, Judgment is a bit like ODST, it was $60, ODST lacked its own multiplayer mode which Judgment had and people didn't like and it lacked Horde mode but the campaign (imo) was still good, it was a lesser selling title but so was ODST and that didn't seem to cause any significant issues to Reach which launched a year later.
Gears has had 2.5~ years between Judgment in March 2013 and Ultimate Edition in late August 2015; Ultimate Edition looked great, faithful to the original, it worked and includes Gears 1-J in their Xbox 360 form for $40... I think Gears of War 4 will have a good release given its had the one thing Halo hasn't had and thats a nice rest. Theres been something Halo related released at retail at the end every year since 2007 with the exception of 2008 (but two titles in 2009) and 2013 (I don't think Spartan Assault/Strike are particularly relevant to be included).
Now, Gears 4 may well be down on Gears 3 opening, in fact i'd say its very likely but by "Or Gears could drop as well" I assume we're talking on a similar level to Halo 5 rather than just a not quite selling a much. The Halo figures in NPD show (I believe) Halo was selling about the same amount of copies at launch in NPDs across 3, Reach and 4 but each time the game released earlier in the month (25th - 3, 14th - Reach, 6th - 4) which surely is somewhat of a decline just not necessarily such a glaring one (as 5 is anyway).
If Gears of War 4 hits all the right notes I think that will come across well to consumers, the franchise has had a decent rest and without the glaring and more minor issues that Halo has had...
I think there are multiple reasons why Halo is down, 4/MCC are important, franchise fatigue(?), Xbox One user base doesn't seem to be buying much in the way of exclusives to be honest (an issue in itself), perhaps other multiplayer games of a similar type have just eclipsed it... I don't think Gears has the exact same competition.
We'll have to see what happens, but Gears is a better franchise than Halo anyway so if it becomes top dog then praise be Rod and i'd love that although they need to avoid the "oh shit it sold lets make sure we have something every year thing they have with Halo, for me that is something they need to not do. I think Microsoft focusing on a fairly narrow range of titles in the past has become a problem for them, though.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
COD has already stolen Halo's thunder.
I agree with this. I like Gears MUCH more than Halo.
Destiny is so much better for those past 25. Hundreds of hours of coop>twich pvp
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
What are you talking about?
Your concern trolling is just amazing.
Poimandres
Member
Nothing looks healthy about this month at all tbh.
boredandlazy
Member
Nevermind...
The Mad Draklor
Member
I suggest we wait until November NPD comes out considering there are consumers who held off buying a PS4 to get their hands on either the BO3 bundle or the Battlefront bundles.
An Oct + Nov 2014 NPD vs. Oct + Nov 2015 NPD comparison would be more fair.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Yeah, hope it won't be Xboned
Liabe Brave
Member
Wasn't the bundle available a week before the official launch? That would make it on sale for 11 or 12 days.
i like how you keep going back to ps4 numbers. yes they are disappointing and most likely less than expected and if it not because of cod or star wars bundles then there is cause for trouble. halo 5 on the other hand......
Obliterator
Member
Halo 3, Reach, and 4 were all over 3 million in NPD.
This is also the biggest drop for a mainline title in a AAA franchise I've ever seen. Crazy
Nothing is really healthy for this NPD if we're being fair. That said. I expect Nov and Dec to pick up the slack. I'm expecting huge sales this holiday.
Perhaps one of his few posts where it doesn't matter if he's trolling or not. The numbers for PS4 regardless of what they are this month is not good.
Chobel
Member
DarthWalden
Banned
Well there is lots to be "concerned" about.
"A copy of Fallout for every man, woman and child on Earth!" =P
Will depend on Nov numbers.
Under 1m and there's a big problem.
At or over 1.2m, and there was a transfer from October imo.
gundamkyoukai
Member
The market shrinking does not mean a title going to drop 60% in sales .
Plus the X1 has around the same number of consoles sold comapre to when Halo 3 came out if i remembering right .
Yep if PS4 sells less \same as last year Sony has a serious problem .
FinalStageBoss
Banned
Ppl are waiting for Black Friday to buy consoles tbh, I know I am.
Sakura
Member
Halo 3 came out September 25th.
It sold over 3 million units in the September NPD.
Halo 5 selling under 1 million would be relatively poor.
Primethius
Banned
Damn straight. The PS4 numbers are awful (not that the XB1 numbers are impressive to begin with).
November better pull some massive numbers.