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NPD Sales Results for October 2015 [Up1: Xbox #1]
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Have we gotten the numbers yet?
Don't completely wright off Halo just yet, with November and December coming up there could be a lot more units moved - it is a top heavy game but I'd imagine a lot of new Xbox owners over the Holiday might pick it up.
If it does sub 4 million WW by the end of the year and sub 2 million US I'd be worried for the franchise and we can confirm that fatigue and also MCC debacle and Destiny people moving to PC shooters really hurt the potential of Halo.
If it does sub 4 million WW by the end of the year and sub 2 million US I'd be worried for the franchise and we can confirm that fatigue and also MCC debacle and Destiny people moving to PC shooters really hurt the potential of Halo.
In Service
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Argh. Fanboy wars. Wins/loses are not the correct terminology in sensible discussion.
The PS4 team will be disappointed that their sales in a price drop period did not increase/maintain sell through.
The XB1 team will be disappointed if the Halo numbers are as publicised.
No one wins.
Basically this :
Halo 5 : 1 week of tracking (includes bundles but not digital)
Halo 3 : 2 weeks of tracking
others : 3 weeks of tracking
Keep in mind that the drop in UK for Halo 5 was around 80% for week 2.
It makes too much sense. The only issue they will have, is there is a ton of competition on PC. And some people are entrenched in Steam
.935k in one of two viable market for Halo is a terrible number, they need a new IP that either A) Sells better in the US, or B) Has actual presence WW.
Go_Ly_Dow
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AC and possible Halo are both series that have strong legs compared to something like MGSV, so I think we can expect to see them both in the top 10 for the next few months..
With time I'm sure both will make a healthy return for Ubi/Microsoft, albeit at a distinctly lower level and notable franchise decline.
With time I'm sure both will make a healthy return for Ubi/Microsoft, albeit at a distinctly lower level and notable franchise decline.
Japanmanx3
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You should go meet George fam...
AgentP
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343 only exist to pump out Bungie knockoffs, they literally put the studio together for that single reason.
1. Halo 5 will be available on PC long before 6 launches.
2. Microsoft is all about subscriptions now. It's a company wide strategy. Live subscriptions are far more important to them than console hardware numbers.
3. They lose nothing releasing on PC and Xbox. They gain subscriptions and software sales.
You have to look at the big picture here. What is best for Microsoft as a whole, not just the Xbox hardware division?
PS4 got a price cut this month... More like none won.
Speaking of Black Friday, anyone else notice how Christmas stuff is getting pushed earlier and earlier each year? I saw decorations out before Halloween got here. Last year or a few years ago it was after Halloween but before Thanksgiving.
Same could be said for Black Friday. Online info gets posted earlier n earlier, some sites start BF earlier, Cyber Mondays, some have BF deals that last an entire month, etc.
Wasnt it last year or the year before when BF actually stated Thanksgiving night? Normally it started at 12am or later. Who would go shopping right after Thanksgiving dinner with friends, family?
Same could be said for Black Friday. Online info gets posted earlier n earlier, some sites start BF earlier, Cyber Mondays, some have BF deals that last an entire month, etc.
Wasnt it last year or the year before when BF actually stated Thanksgiving night? Normally it started at 12am or later. Who would go shopping right after Thanksgiving dinner with friends, family?
Psycho_Mantis
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TloU, Uncharted, GT and God of War could all overtake Halo 5 now.
Dredd97
Member
even when the PS4 loses, it wins...
I think MS should re-purpose that studio.
I don't think a lot of people realize how low 935k is, other franchises get away with it because they sell really well in other markets, Halo doesn't.
gundamkyoukai
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It sold 25 k less than last year .
The only reason people say it selling terrible is because of a price cut .
$50 off is not going to make people run out and buy a console early before black friday .
ShogunDarius
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I guess assassins creed will be in panic mode now then, assassins creed Japan must be next year then
It didn't do much because $50 is nothing
But that doesn't paint the whole picture. There's still revenue/profit there that they'll probably won't get from any other first party franchise. A new IP is too big of a risk at the cost of Halo.
At this point, that would be a poor business decision.
With a price drop. "Much anticipated" too. Both did so bad it's not even funny.
Gotdatmoney
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Yoshi won guys. Yoshi won.
Agreed. It really starting to affect sales figures in the remaining months. But I also think the release schedule plays just as big of a role here. If everyone spread their releases out throughout the year we would likely see regular bumps in demand as a result of specific titles. Instead they overwhelmingly release in a relatively short 3 month window inflating demand for a short time before plummeting again. It's baffling.
Well, at this point everyone knows that Ass Creed is shrinking, I'm sure this was discussed in several threads.
It's not like it did well last October either. So that's not a viable comparison point.
Steverulez
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This is a terrible idea, a lot of people really like Halo 5 (myself included), I have no concerns that it will make them money, plenty of money just not on the same level as previous titles. If anything will help them build the franchise back its making a good/great game
Making a new IP for 343 would mean putting Halo down completely, you're looking at 6 years (2x 3 year dev cycles) at a minimum before they can get another Halo out... thats too long and they shouldn't do that.
I probably wouldn't make another game outside of Halo Wars 2 in between though. If you want to staff them up to make something new as well as Halo... perhaps they could do that but I'm not sure that would be much different to just making another new team
I'm sort of with those that say we need to wait for next month to see. People have been buying up pre-order bundles at this new price that aren't counted until next month. Of course, that could also deflate actual in-November direct sales from BF sales (though it will be hard to tell since the bundles will be counted in November).
I mean, what's our baseline for doing "well" in October? There's only been one other October this gen to compare it to, so right now it is our ONLY comparison point and may be the baseline for this gen.
Sangetsu-II
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So hows the US gap going between the two consoles? Do we have a estimate?
In all fairness, with bundles alone, the digital split on this game will be massive. Although, since it's included in the 935k number, there's no way to work it out roughly.
Doesn't mean I was wrong with the split, the game just didn't sell well
Which do you guys think had a worse impact on the franchise, Halo 4 or MCC?
On a side note, seems gamers these days do somewhat consider the past. Halo, Assassin's Creed, Battlefield etc. Publishers would be wise to get things right the first time, and not cock things up to the extent where they damage franchises.
On a side note, seems gamers these days do somewhat consider the past. Halo, Assassin's Creed, Battlefield etc. Publishers would be wise to get things right the first time, and not cock things up to the extent where they damage franchises.
Japanmanx3
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The need to get out the division and watch dogs 2 first... Give creed 2 years minimum on the backburner.
Last month was 862k, so now is 834k
In all fairness, with bundles alone, the digital split on this game will be massive. Although, since it's included in the 935k number, there's no way to work it out roughly.
Doesn't mean I was wrong with the split, the game just didn't sell well
What's the percent of digital sales that you have in mind?
slavesnyder
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Chezzymann
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Halo Reach was when the series started to decline so I'm going with that.
ShogunDarius
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Mcc
Basically this :
Halo 5 : 1 week of tracking (includes bundles but not digital)
Halo 3 : 2 weeks of tracking
others : 3 weeks of tracking
Keep in mind that the drop in UK for Halo 5 was around 80% for week 2.
ROFL
Okay i'm out
Good Guy Gone Bad
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Wowzers. The Halo and AC drops are tragic. There's absolutely no positive spin for either of those even if it did really well digitally. Still good, but the well is drying up at this point for both franchises.
More atrocious numbers for Halo; I think people saying MCC had no effect and being silly. Sure Gaffers and the ilk will know that like the new AC the games are not going to have the same issues however
That burned main fans; Halo 4 lost a lot of fans per the usage rates and unlike when Halo 3 launched, MS is against not just tough competition but dominating competition - Halo 3 drove sales but it did so by giving people a jumping on point to a new system which they knew they would get eventually.
Big nose dive a real issue for MS with Master Chief so linked to the brand.
If they have sense then they'll put Chief quickly back in the main driving seat. The wider fiction also needs to impact the games a lot less.
That burned main fans; Halo 4 lost a lot of fans per the usage rates and unlike when Halo 3 launched, MS is against not just tough competition but dominating competition - Halo 3 drove sales but it did so by giving people a jumping on point to a new system which they knew they would get eventually.
Big nose dive a real issue for MS with Master Chief so linked to the brand.
If they have sense then they'll put Chief quickly back in the main driving seat. The wider fiction also needs to impact the games a lot less.
I want uncharted numbers bundle included, and yoshi's numbers too, so we can put this madness to rest.
Steverulez
Member
MCC, Halo 4 might have put a few people off but it wasn't on the scale of MCCs problems at all
DarkLordMalik
Member
Well, I will look at the big picture once it comes into play, and it hasn't yet. Once we see the big name Xbox exclusives (GEOW 4, Crackdown, Quantum Break, Scalebound) getting announced for PC, I will be sure that the company has basically decided to focus on their Windows division as a whole and is not just focusing on the Xbox hardware. I am just not seeing that now. But I am not denying that it won't happen, it will happen provided we see the sales result similar to Halo 5 in the future including declining hardware sales.
If they had plans to release Halo on PC, they wouldn't have been bothering with Halo Online, no? It just seems to me that their strategy is different for both Windows and Xbox One, for now.
Around mid 30's to low 40's? Only for the release week though due to preloading.
Absolutely, and one other issue is that with missed deals, stock issues and all the rest during these next two months, consumers who originally intended to buy one of these consoles, could very well up up buying something else altogether. Retailers need to balance sales and deals better, and publishers spread out the releases better too. I think Sony sort of gets it, but Microsoft this year really put all their eggs in to the Fall basket. I really don't think it was a healthy strategy.