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[NoLootBoxDev]

The war time version of the jealous boyfriend who kills his girlfriend because she wants to break up with him and "if I can't have her, nobody can"

Russia: "if we can't exist on earth the way we want, then nobody can"

Get some fucking adults in the Kremlin FFS.

It is more like:

Putin: "if Putin can't exist on earth the way I want, then nobody can"

Where is Putin? in a Bunker hiding, with paranoia, alone. 5000 soldiers from Russia dead for nothing. Rusia only needs one person to finish this, avoid more people dead on all sides.

 

[G-Bus]

Putin's billionaire oligarch buddies can't be billionaire oligarchs in a nuclear wasteland. They aren't going to let him fire nukes which would result in Russia being nuked. He'll have an unfortunate fall from a 16th story window before that happens.

They also can't be billionaires with the sanctions, freezing and now seizing of assets.

They're done now as well. Might as well burn it all down?

 

[Boss Mog]

But is the objective to destroy the city? I don't think Putin wants to level Kyiv, he WANTS that city intact and working, just working for him. So tactical nukes are for massed troop concentrations, airfields, hardened fortifications, ports, stuff like that. With the advent of smart munitions the need to either carpet bomb an area or hit it with a nuke has gone WAAAAY down, not that Russia seems to have a lot of that smart munitions either. You could set off quite a few lower yield nucular weapons in an area the size of Texas/Ukraine and it wouldn't impact the area much TBH.

High yield ballistic missiles and the like are for MAD, they have little to no use in actual warfare outside of a possible first strike to take out another nations entire strike capability (missile fields, airfields, political centers, etc) but the ballistic missile sub fleet renders that capability moot since you can't possibly get all the subs on patrol (well, at least not a fleet the size of the US).

In an era with instant communications, I think tactical nukes are actually MORE likely to be used, because the user can broadcast their intent and the deployment in real time so no one freaks out about the launch and detonation to cascade into a global nuclear war. So they become an area denial weapon or a known threat to a specific response (you cross this river in force and you can expect a 10KT nuke). Such an exchange would be locally damaging but for the rest of us it's just another chernobyl/fukushima type event.

I wasn't talking about Kyiv, I just meant nukes against major cities worldwide if nuclear war broke out.

 

[Boss Mog]

Putin isn't gonna do shit, he knows the second he launches a nuke his country is toast.

You guys saying that we are heading into nuclear war need to get a grip on reality.

I sincerely hope you're right.

 

[chromhound]

i think nuclear bombs has expiration dates no ?

 

[jason10mm]

I wasn't talking about Kyiv, I just meant nukes against major cities worldwide if nuclear war broke out.

Kyiv IS a major city, pop 3 MILLION, larger than most cities in the US. Nuking it would certainly cause most of the ukranian resistance to collapse I think, but it would not help Putin achieve any long term goals. So why strike a city? Cities are where the wealth are these days, as it's the PEOPLE you want, not just the land. 'Sides, that WOULD be a provocation leading to global war.

What I'm talking about are low-yield tactical nuclear weapons deployed against military or strategic targets. Conventional Wisdom says ANY nuclear weapon attack would get a massive retaliatory strike but I don't actually think that would be the case. I think Putin could use some tac nukes against military units in the field if he wanted and Moscow would not be glassed in response. Those things are not the world ending boogieman the media portrays them as.

I think we are more likely to see a chemical weapon attack though, maybe a chemical irritant as a prelude to a specific attack, not a nerve agent or anything like that. I doubt the Ukranians are super hot on CBRNE gear (doubt the russians are either, which is probably the saving grace for not using them TBH) and would be easily affected by some mild agents deployed in advance of an offensive to capture a specific area. At this rate we are likely to see a prolonged siege of Kyiv with an "airlift Berlin" style humanitarian relief effort.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

It was a joke chum. Dont look to deeply in it.

 

[badblue]

Wait, nuclear war is bad? Really?

 

[bender]

It was a joke chum. Dont look to deeply in it.

 

[AV]

They also can't be billionaires with the sanctions, freezing and now seizing of assets.

They're done now as well. Might as well burn it all down?

His billionaire friends are still currently billionaires. That still means something in a planet full of... planet.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Only a few countries have ever dropped a nuke, just incredible power. Twice on Japan, most recently test Nukes in remote locations. Japan was trying to conquer the world, when you get to that mark let's be real a nuke was a simple solution.

 

[TylerD]

Strange game, the only winning move is not to play.

 

[Rat Rage]

There's not gonna be a nuclear war.

 

[nush]

Having grown up during the cold war, this is what we dealt with on a daily basis.

At least we don't worry about getting nuked before we lose our virginity now, well most of us anyway.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

You know me too well

 

[bender]

You know me too well

Thankfully not.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

I mean. Yeah. Nukes aren't good. They vaporize, irradiate and kill things. That's why they're A. Weapons and B. Of mass destruction. I don't think anyone who can string two sentences together and made an account here is ignorant of what a literal bomb can do.

But while we're being low key pedantic, might I direct your attention to a little, relatively unknown thing called Deterrence Theory? Basically, "You MAD, Putin-bruh?"

A man saying the hell with his country's relations with basically the entire rest of the developed world in the name of expanding his territory seems like someone who is pretty invested in power and authority. I'm no armchair war tactician, but forgive me for believing that in 98% of cases, having your homeland turn into a smoldering crater is counterintuitive to the "YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT!" Empire business.

Then again, deterrence theory is a paper tiger, the moment someone decides to push the button, all value of the gambit is lost, and the whole thing effectively loses it's fangs. It's a very hypothetical, binary type deal. It either works all the time, or the whole world burns.

Still, I doubt anyone, even someone as batshit as Putin appears to be, wants the infamy associated with the progenitor of the end of modern civilization in it's current form.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Thankfully not.

Have a day off being a prick.

 

[TGO]

Nobody wins in a nuclear war, the moment you launch one you might as well put a gun to head and say goodbye to your country because they'll be going with you.
Say for instance country A launches several nukes to all the major city's in country B.
The moment they do it, country B will launch theirs too.
Even if they wiped out the whole country.
Country B would have several undetectable Subs that would follow through in minutes.
Not saying it isn't a threat, it is.
But that button world leaders have might as well say suicide on them.
There is always something to gain in a war.
But there is nothing to gain in a nuclear war.

 

[Durien]

After these last two years, fuck it, just launch em.

After I beat Elden Ring NG+ (No, I have not beat NG yet...)

 

[MrFunSocks]

Russia won't launch nukes, because the second a nuke gets launched from Russia, Russia is wiped off the face of the earth. Mutually Assured Destruction means it's not happening.

 

[Nobody_Important]

I really wish people would stop getting unnecessarily worked up over nuclear war or WW3.


It's not happening. Stop worrying about it.

 

[belmarduk]

 

[KingGhidorah]

I went to Hiroshima museum a few years back and read a story of a photographer from a little town a few miles from Hiroshima. After the blast, he went to the direction of Hiroshima......at the edge of the city where the blast didn't kill the people, he said that many people and children running and screaming with their half melted body, their skin peeling off exposing their flesh and bones. in this smarphone age, I don't think the world ready or even want to see images like that

 

[Ionian]

I'm growing more concerned everyday that Russia will launch nukes, which is likely to bring on a mass extinction level event that will affect all of our lives. I don't think enough people realize this fact. These aren't Hiroshima-style bombs anymore.

I had to laugh at this TedTalk, you don't have to study nuclear bombs for 35 years to know this. Shit was taught in primary school. Kept waiting for the punchline or some genius solution haha.

Then again a lot of Ted talks are nonsense anyway for ages now with a lot people just stroking their ego onstage with the oratory level of a pre-pubescent kid.

 

[Ionian]

At least we don't worry about getting nuked before we lose our virginity now, well most of us anyway.

Great balls of fire just took on a new meaning. 'nuked whilst nutting', now That would be an epic epitaph for gravestone (if anything could be found of you after). Haha

 

[Ionian]

Russia won't launch nukes, because the second a nuke gets launched from Russia, Russia is wiped off the face of the earth. Mutually Assured Destruction means it's not happening.

The argument to that though is the person with complete control, knowing their time is up and saying 'LOL, FUA! '. Thankfully for now with safetys seemingly in place it seems impossible.

Emphasis on "seemingly".

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Boss Mog simply doesn't wanna see the human race get turned into a burn marks on the pavement and people are replying with shit posts. Bruh.

 

[The Lunch Legend]

There's not gonna be a nuclear war.

Not with that kind of attitude.

 

[protonion]

Humanity is destined to end either way when the sun goes super nova.

A species ending themselves would be a first and total bad ass. Nuke away.

 

[GreenAlien]

Putin put his nuclear force on high alert and an official stated after the tough sanctions imposed on Russia: "Why would Russia care what happens to a World that doesn't want Russia in it?"

There are actually 4 alert levels (regular, heightened, the threat of war and full) in russia, and it's only on the second one. Apparently it's also been on heightened when they took Crimea (or some other occasion, I don't quite remember, but it's nothing too unusual)

 

[TheInfamousKira]

There are actually 4 alert levels (regular, heightened, the threat of war and full) in russia, and it's only on the second one. Apparently it's also been on heightened when they took the Crimea (or some other occasion, I don't quite remember, but it's nothing to be particularly worried about yet)

It's nothing to be worried about regardless. It's either never going to happen, or it will happen so quickly and widespread that the vast majority of us won't be around to give a fuck besides a bemused finger in the sky saying "Hey, that's a strange light up in the-," before being subatomically returned to the dust from whence we came.