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[DJ88]

Now I'm even more stumped by MSI's decision to limit the water cooled Sea Hawk card to one 8 pin connector. Their 980Ti model had an 8 and a 6 pin connector. The EVGA Hybrid 980Ti also had an 8 and a 6. This years EVGA Hybrid 1080 has two 8 pins, and then here comes MSI this time and says, "Let's downgrade the Sea Hawk to only one 8 pin!"

What in the fuck?

I would have no issue waiting for EVGA's hybrid expect that I'm not a fan of the look at all, yes I'm one of those who cares a bit too much about the look of my parts lol. The Sea Hawk looks perfect, but the decision to only have one 8 pin is driving me nuts, I wish they'd say what the though process was there. I'm going to wait and see how much better the EVGA performs with 2 connectors and if it's not some remarkable amount, I might still go with the Sea Hawk.

EVGA Hybrid:

MSI Sea Hawk:

 

[mrklaw]

Now I'm even more stumped by MSI's decision to limit the water cooled Sea Hawk card to one 8 pin connector. Their 980Ti model had an 8 and a 6 pin connector. The EVGA Hybrid 980Ti also had an 8 and a 6. This years EVGA Hybrid 1080 has two 8 pins, and then here comes MSI this time and says, "Let's downgrade the Sea Hawk to only one 8 pin!"

What in the fuck?

I would have no issue waiting for EVGA's hybrid expect that I'm not a fan of the look at all, yes I'm one of those who cares a bit too much about the look of my parts lol. The Sea Hawk looks perfect, but the decision to only have one 8 pin is driving me nuts, I wish they'd say what the though process was there. I'm going to wait and see how much better the EVGA performs with 2 connectors and if it's not some remarkable amount, I might still go with the Sea Hawk.

Well the 1080 is a 180W TDP vs the 250W TDP of the 980ti so it shouldn't need as much power to drive it. Don't know the specifics of how many pins is enough though

 

[MuchoMalo]

lol everything I've heard and read about the Founder's Edition is telling me it's the worst version of the 1080 and should be avoided compared to all the presumably superior third party options.

Hilarious that NVIDIA wants to keep this card available throughout the life of the product when it's clearly going to be eclipsed by the others.

Reference cards still have specific uses (the main one being watercooling), and some people just plain prefer blowers.

Now I'm even more stumped by MSI's decision to limit the water cooled Sea Hawk card to one 8 pin connector. Their 980Ti model had an 8 and a 6 pin connector. The EVGA Hybrid 980Ti also had an 8 and a 6. This years EVGA Hybrid 1080 has two 8 pins, and then here comes MSI this time and says, "Let's downgrade the Sea Hawk to only one 8 pin!"

MSI used a reference board in both cases. You need to remember that the 1080 is the successor to the 980, not the 980 Ti.

Well the 1080 is a 180W TDP vs the 250W TDP of the 980ti so it shouldn't need as much power to drive it. Don't know the specifics of how many pins is enough though

You need at least 6+8 pin for a 250W card. A card with only an 8-pin is limited to supplying 225W total.

 

[DJ88]

Well the 1080 is a 180W TDP vs the 250W TDP of the 980ti so it shouldn't need as much power to drive it. Don't know the specifics of how many pins is enough though

True, but up to this point in the limited overclocking tests we've seen, the lack of power seems to be the thing holding back these cards from reaching their true potential.

As far as I know we haven't seen any tests from cards with two 8 pins yet so we'll have to wait and see how much of an advantage that truly gives.

EDIT:

Reference cards still have specific uses (the main one being watercooling), and some people just plain prefer blowers.

MSI used a reference board in both cases. You need to remember that the 1080 is the successor to the 980, not the 980 Ti.

Mmm, ok. I'm new to all of this but I was thinking if that had something to do with it. So the reference PCB in the ### line had one connector and the reference PCB in the ###Ti line had two. EVGA stepped it up making a custom board with two for their ### line this time.

I wish MSI had done the same haha

 

[nubbe]

8-pin is 150W, so thats 225 in total
I would guess they "know" it won't be able to exceed that
unless you wanna do some subzero cooling, in that case this isn't the product you're looking at anyways

Zotac has that crazy card for loads of power delivery

 

[MuchoMalo]

I'm just hoping for MSI to pull through on both the TwinFrozr 1080 and 1070 like they did last time. Because my 970 totally needed both a 6-pin and an 8-pin

 

[Phinor]

lol everything I've heard and read about the Founder's Edition is telling me it's the worst version of the 1080 and should be avoided compared to all the presumably superior third party options.

Hilarious that NVIDIA wants to keep this card available throughout the life of the product when it's clearly going to be eclipsed by the others.

FE did its work in Finland at least. All the AIB custom cards start at exactly FE MSRP and some of the better cards go way above that. That's probably all they wanted to do with FE, inflate early prices and obviously get the best profits because those FE cards are selling really well (because they are the only ones in stock).

 

[Vuze]

Now I'm even more stumped by MSI's decision to limit the water cooled Sea Hawk card to one 8 pin connector. Their 980Ti model had an 8 and a 6 pin connector. The EVGA Hybrid 980Ti also had an 8 and a 6. This years EVGA Hybrid 1080 has two 8 pins, and then here comes MSI this time and says, "Let's downgrade the Sea Hawk to only one 8 pin!"

What in the fuck?

I would have no issue waiting for EVGA's hybrid expect that I'm not a fan of the look at all, yes I'm one of those who cares a bit too much about the look of my parts lol. The Sea Hawk looks perfect, but the decision to only have one 8 pin is driving me nuts, I wish they'd say what the though process was there. I'm going to wait and see how much better the EVGA performs with 2 connectors and if it's not some remarkable amount, I might still go with the Sea Hawk.

EVGA Hybrid:


MSI Sea Hawk:

Maybe they are aiming to offer the cheapest AIO Hybrid 1080? They have a bunch of... serviceable AIO solution they can just tack on (EVGA doesn't afaik) and if it's a reference board they are using, it certainly won't be expensive.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

I feel like I'm the only one who likes the look of the EVGA Hybrid. :/

 

[Mifec]

I feel like I'm the only one who likes the look of the EVGA Hybrid. :/

I'm there with you, the MSI one looks incredibly cheap and ugly.

 

[dgrdsv]

[Special] Hands-On: ASUS ROG GTX 1080 STRIX Review / Test

 

[jfoul]

I feel like I'm the only one who likes the look of the EVGA Hybrid. :/

I like it. Should also fit in the corsair bulldog.

 

[x3sphere]

[Special] Hands-On: ASUS ROG GTX 1080 STRIX Review / Test

Looks to be hitting 2 GHz boost right out the box, that's impressive.

 

[dgrdsv]

DudeRandom84 has been posting 1080 vs 980Ti videos whole day:
- Crysis 3
- Quantum Break
- GTA V
- The Witcher 3

 

[Zojirushi]

- The Witcher 3

1215MHz 980Ti? That card can easily go way higher right?

 

[dgrdsv]

1215MHz 980Ti? That card can easily go way higher right?

He's using a reference card on stock clocks according to the video description. Same for 1080.

 

[Megasoum]

So noob question, it's the first time I buy a higher end card.

I pre-ordered an EVGA 1080 FTW card on friday and noticed that it has LEDs all over it.

I assume that EVGA has some kind of tool that will allow me to disable those?

 

[Ikuu]

So noob question, it's the first time I buy a higher end card.

I pre-ordered an EVGA 1080 FTW card on friday and noticed that it has LEDs all over it.

I assume that EVGA has some kind of tool that will allow me to disable those?

They usually do.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

lol everything I've heard and read about the Founder's Edition is telling me it's the worst version of the 1080 and should be avoided compared to all the presumably superior third party options.

Hilarious that NVIDIA wants to keep this card available throughout the life of the product when it's clearly going to be eclipsed by the others.

Reference cards are generally always available through the life of the product. The price changes though.

 

[catabarez]

No more pre orders for the EVGA 1080 FTW? Will retailers provide a pre order?

 

[Vuze]

So noob question, it's the first time I buy a higher end card.

I pre-ordered an EVGA 1080 FTW card on friday and noticed that it has LEDs all over it.

I assume that EVGA has some kind of tool that will allow me to disable those?

Ideally it should be able to be controlled with GeForce Experience as well. Works for my MSI 970 atleast which is nice.

 

[Knurek]

Did someone made a benchmark testing 1080 vs 980 on the same clock?
I guess you'd have to OC 980 significantly and downclock the 1080.
I'm kind of curious if there's any improvement to Pascal clock for clock, or are the gains made only by upping the GPU's base frequency.

 

[Ocelott]

No more pre orders for the EVGA 1080 FTW? Will retailers provide a pre order?

I hope Amazon does. I pre-ordered one through EVGA but I rather get it through Amazon

 

[DJSebolski]

EVGA website is still F-ed. SMH. Can't even click on 980Ti

 

[Sky Chief]

So which 1080 will have the most QUIET fan?

I'm going to say Gigabyte. Their Windforce cooler is very efficient and has been the quietest or among the quietest the last couple generations. The latest version cools so well passively that in some less demanding games the fans don't even spin on my heavily overclocked Xtreme 980Ti and temps are still great.

 

[Knurek]

I'm going to say Gigabyte. Their Windforce cooler is very efficient and has been the quietest or among the quietest the last couple generations. The latest version cools so well passively that in some less demanding games the fans don't even spin on my heavily overclocked Xtreme 980Ti and temps are still great.

Isn't a two-fan solution by definition more quiet than a three-fan solution?

 

[dgrdsv]

Did someone made a benchmark testing 1080 vs 980 on the same clock?
I guess you'd have to OC 980 significantly and downclock the 1080.
I'm kind of curious if there's any improvement to Pascal clock for clock, or are the gains made only by upping the GPU's base frequency.

980 has 2048 SPs while 1080 has 2560, the number of SMs is different as well. Such comparison will be pretty useless.

 

[paskowitz]

So which 1080 will have the most QUIET fan?

Outside of an AIO card, MSI's Twin Froze cooler is the quietest. Not just in terms of decibels, but the pitch of the fan is very soft. Even at max the sound isn't grading or obtrusive. I had an MSI 980 GAMING 4G and it was whisper quiet.

That being said nothing is going to best a water cooled card with some quality Noiseblocker fans.

 

[senahorse]

Just a heads-up for the watercooling crowd: Derick from EK posted over on overclock.net that EK will be making blocks for the MSI Gaming 1080, Gigabyte Gaming 1080, and Asus Strix 1080, but not for the EVGA non-ref cards. If you want an EVGA card with a waterblock, you either need to wait for the Hydrocopper, or hope that someone else makes blocks for the Classi, FTW, etc.

Do you have a link to that? The only thing I have seen was in reference to the FTW, which typically doesn't get a water block.

 

[black_vegeta]

Will wait for ASUS STRIX 1070 release on amazon

 

[Technosteve]

Twin Frozers here official cooler of idle thumbs

 

[JoJo UK]

Not sure what other mATX cases are out there that could house bigger cards, than a Node 804.

Also wondering if that's the final size, as those numbers are on the spec sheet for the SC, and we know that it shouldn't be the case.

I have a BitFenix Phenom Micro-ATX and as far as I can see I'll have no issues with an EVGA FTW, spec sheet of the case says it can take cards up to 320mm. Looking at the case itself it looks like height wont be an issue either. You guys are starting to worry me now!

 

[Deleted member 17706]

DudeRandom84 has been posting 1080 vs 980Ti videos whole day:
- Crysis 3
- Quantum Break
- GTA V
- The Witcher 3

Good stuff. Any idea why the 1080 seems to require something around 10% less VRAM with the same settings?

 

[Xyber]

Good stuff. Any idea why the 1080 seems to require something around 10% less VRAM with the same settings?

Probably because of the improved compression.

 

[RE4PRR]

Good stuff. Any idea why the 1080 seems to require something around 10% less VRAM with the same settings?

Compression maybe?

 

[RedlineRonin]

DudeRandom84 has been posting 1080 vs 980Ti videos whole day:
- Crysis 3
- Quantum Break
- GTA V
- The Witcher 3

Fuck. Was really hoping to stick with a 1070. I play on a Panasonic ST60 now and like 1440 just for the added jaggie removal. I have a standard EVGA 980 SC and was eyeing 980tis for a bit, but seeing that Witcher 3 perf at 1440 now I'm back to feeling like I need a 1080 again.

Help me GAF

 

[Jin]

Fuck. Was really hoping to stick with a 1070. I play on a Panasonic ST60 now and like 1440 just for the added jaggie removal. I have a standard EVGA 980 SC and was eyeing 980tis for a bit, but seeing that Witcher 3 perf at 1440 now I'm back to feeling like I need a 1080 again.

Help me GAF

You can help yourself by buying a 1080

 

[The_Inquisitor]

God the 2-3 week wait for 1080 FTW is going to suck. Granted I don't have many recent releases on my PC right now (waiting for summer sale) but ugh my 560Ti is showing it's age as I play some backlog.

 

[icecold1983]

Probably because of the improved compression.

doesnt affect vram, just bandwidth efficiency

 

[Shifty Capone1]

God the 2-3 week wait for 1080 FTW is going to suck. Granted I don't have many recent releases on my PC right now (waiting for summer sale) but ugh my 560Ti is showing it's age as I play some backlog.

Same situation as you. I am hoping that the ASUS Rog Strix comes that comes out on the 4th I can snag on Amazon and hope they have stock!

 

[e90Mark]

I have a BitFenix Phenom Micro-ATX and as far as I can see I'll have no issues with an EVGA FTW, spec sheet of the case says it can take cards up to 320mm. Looking at the case itself it looks like height wont be an issue either. You guys are starting to worry me now!

Don't you have to mount the motherboard in the Phenom M horizontally? Probably easier to fit that way.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Do you have a link to that? The only thing I have seen was in reference to the FTW, which typically doesn't get a water block.

http://www.overclock.net/t/993624/ek-club/15790#post_25204040

 

[Jimrpg]

Fuck. Was really hoping to stick with a 1070. I play on a Panasonic ST60 now and like 1440 just for the added jaggie removal. I have a standard EVGA 980 SC and was eyeing 980tis for a bit, but seeing that Witcher 3 perf at 1440 now I'm back to feeling like I need a 1080 again.

Help me GAF

The 1070 is going to be like a 980Ti/Titan X. If you're happy with that kind of performance then get that. Otherwise if you have a 1440p/144hz monitor, you may as well get a 1080 and try to fully utilise that higher refresh rate.

 

[holygeesus]

1215MHz 980Ti? That card can easily go way higher right?

Mine is on a moderate overclock and it boosts to 1450MHz. I can't really see the point of comparison videos using a 980ti at stock, as literally 99% of the cards you can buy don't run at stock speeds. What we really want to see are 1080 OC vs 980ti OC when the custom cards are more plentiful.

 

[fanboi]

So, ehem, which one of the third party cards is the one to get then?

This https://www.inet.se/produkt/5400061/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-8gb-gaming-x/#specs ?

 

[Vuze]

So, ehem, which one of the third party cards is the one to get then?

This https://www.inet.se/produkt/5400061/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-8gb-gaming-x/#specs ?

Nobody knows about cooling performance etc yet, all recommendations so far are purely based on gut feeling

 

[fanboi]

Nobody knows about cooling performance etc yet, all recommendations so far are purely based on gut feeling

Thanks.

Do we know when reviews will come for these?

 

[senahorse]

http://www.overclock.net/t/993624/ek-club/15790#post_25204040

Crap, can't get more definitive than that, hopefully EVGA have a hydro copper block for Classified, if not it's looking like Asus may be the way to go.

 

[Vuze]

Thanks.

Do we know when reviews will come for these?

Between now and mid June
Depends on the manufacturer and card; I.e. the ZOTAC and EVGA FTW don't even have final clock speeds revealed yet so those will probably later than some MSI models which are planned for 4th June iirc

 

[Latvian Hitman]

Crap, can't get more definitive than that, hopefully EVGA have a hydro copper block for Classified, if not it's looking like Asus may be the way to go.

Yeah, it sucks. Like you, I'm probably going to go after the Asus. I would gladly buy the Hydrocopper, but it always takes forever to release.