Nvidia Kepler - Geforce GTX680 Thread - Now with reviews
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specialguy
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I'm betting so. There's enough chatter out there something is definitely happening no later than say two weeks from now, if not Monday.
specialguy
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well yeah, my bet is on monday of course.
i heard march 23 somewhere as some date too (probably availability, from charlie), so thats why i said two weeks.
it's amazing how good amd/nvidia are getting at secrets, we still dont know the details of gk104, even if we know a lot.
i heard march 23 somewhere as some date too (probably availability, from charlie), so thats why i said two weeks.
it's amazing how good amd/nvidia are getting at secrets, we still dont know the details of gk104, even if we know a lot.
As usual, take with a grain of salt.
That chart design is hilariously misleading if you don't look carefully at what it's trying to show you.
Rabid Wolverine
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At this rate likely to go up against the AMD 8000 series in the fall.
Cant wait for monday, so glad i waited. Single 680 to tide me over till the top dog chip arrives.
Fallout-NL
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250 or 275 would be acceptable as well. But yeah, prices need to come back down to earth.
To those who are up to date with gfx card cycles:
Seems like these new cards are able to run BF3 ultra, 1080p at 60 frames. This is the barometer for my next upgrade. When is it reasonable to expect this performance in 150-200€ range cards? This year?
My 5770 ati is getting a bit old in some cases :/
Seems like these new cards are able to run BF3 ultra, 1080p at 60 frames. This is the barometer for my next upgrade. When is it reasonable to expect this performance in 150-200€ range cards? This year?
My 5770 ati is getting a bit old in some cases :/
Ultra at those prices? Maybe 2 years with the way $/performance is going
/negativenancy
Battlefield 3 runs at 60 fps on ultra most of the time on my 7950. There are dips though but they are not consistent.
And in a year you can have the power of a 7950 using 1/2 the wattage, but still costing $400!
dgrdsv
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I'd say yes but probably closer to the end of it.
dat scale, lol.
Rabid Wolverine
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Looks slightly bigger than the G92 core die.
Bring on the reviews today (hope)
dgrdsv
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More than a week from today.
I believe we are waiting for the same card,
I am hoping EVGA does the hydro copper classified for the dual chip card again.
Hard Launch confirmed for 24th: https://www.facebook.com/ScanComputersInternational/posts/10150662469432908
Hard launch, or just cards at an event?
Tallshortman
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The metric isn't even labeled. What is this "fake" even measuring?
Relative framerate, if it's the same as every other chart of its type ever.
I don't remember computer hardware ever launching on a Saturday before.
Either way, if anyone likes the benches and prices, I suggest you camp the sites and order as soon as it goes live. I've dawdled before on high profile launches and it's taken months for prices to get back to the initial release price.
Terbinator
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100% = 1.
That or Capcpom is involved.
Fallout-NL
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I really hope nvidia will offer better price/performance than what amd's coming up with.
At this point the 7850 is only marginally faster than the 6870 at over a hundred more. And even the fact that the 6870 hasn't come down in price, annoys me to no end.
At this point the 7850 is only marginally faster than the 6870 at over a hundred more. And even the fact that the 6870 hasn't come down in price, annoys me to no end.
Ordered my 8800GT launch overnight from Canada. RIP USD/CAD rate.
6870 is rock bottom as by far the best value 1080p card.
I removed it saying it looked fake because of the numbers, you can expect typos in official slides.
zomgbbqftw
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I removed it saying it looked fake because of the numbers, you can expect typos in official slides.
Capcpom...
Tallshortman
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If it's relative framerate those numbers don't look right simply because from the benchmarks I've seen the 7970 is not THAT many times more powerful than a 7950 in terms of framerate. Seems misleading at best if not entirely fake.
dragonelite
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GTX680 is only 40~45% faster in one game then a 7970
From the that "fake" chart, the 7970 has a lead of 15-20% which is ok, the other numbers threw me off.
Fallout-NL
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Yeah, but would you buy one now?
And would you consider the 7870 a reasonably priced replacement? Here in the Netherlands, the 7870 goes for the equivalent of $430.
None of the 7000 series is reasonably priced, except arguably the 7970 since there is some precedent of premium pricing for the highest-end product available on the market.
Can't say I have much faith that Nvidia's parts will be priced much better though. The fact that neither company engaged in competitive price cuts last generation has my price-fixing sense tingling.
Tallshortman
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Ugh, yeah I didn't see that they started at .8 instead of 0. 7970 to 7950 comparison seems pretty fair though I still have my doubts on the 680 being 45% faster in a game.
In the US you can buy a 6870 for <$160 so absolutely I'd buy one. That's what I recommend.
7xxx pricing is not going to close that gap anytime soon. 7770 is a joke valuewise at its current price.
specialguy
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7870 definitely is. For $350 once overclocked it generally beats a GTX 580, and often pushes the 7970 and 50.
I'd say getting speed that cost $500 a couple months ago now for $350 is good.
7870 is the beast of the lineup. So much so it has some people questioning what's wrong with 7970 scaling (EG, it should be beating 7870 by more than it actually does).
Personally I'd love to see 7870 in a next gen console! (unless they want to go even higher that'd be fine too)
McHuj
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specialguy
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So, nothing on Kepler today. Looks like a no go.
Latest rumors have the launch around 22-24th. I wouldn't be shocked to see reviews pop up anytime though either. Seems like most NDA's end on a Tuesday anyway.
Latest rumors also are the price will not be anything special. It will be called the 680 and cost $550 according to one. Not thrilling, even if say it beats 7970 by 10%...this rumor also says 670Ti doesn't exist (they were thinking of calling it 670Ti but once the performance was ok went with 680 supposedly).
I think low 28nm initial yields might be the reason for these high prices all around.
Latest rumors have the launch around 22-24th. I wouldn't be shocked to see reviews pop up anytime though either. Seems like most NDA's end on a Tuesday anyway.
Latest rumors also are the price will not be anything special. It will be called the 680 and cost $550 according to one. Not thrilling, even if say it beats 7970 by 10%...this rumor also says 670Ti doesn't exist (they were thinking of calling it 670Ti but once the performance was ok went with 680 supposedly).
I think low 28nm initial yields might be the reason for these high prices all around.
Fallout-NL
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Yeah, it just bothers me that I could have done so a year ago at the same price. Ill hold out for nvidia to maybe bring some kind of sanity to the current line-up (yeah right). Otherwise I might go with the 6870 and be done with it.
I am not a huge card wars history buff, but traditionally it has been ATI/AMD that initiated price wars and Nvidia only dropped prices in reaction to being undercut by ATI. With AMD stepping back from price wars and in fact driving up prices since the 4XXX generation, I would expect Nvidia to go with AMD prices for the segment + $0-50. That keeps with historical precedent.
Edit. Thinking more on it, maybe I am not giving Nvidia enough credit. The 8800 cards were pretty freaking awesome for the time and priced at $200. But that was a long time ago.
The GTX580 is almost 18 months old. Don't let the fact that prices were kept artificially high fool you. It's a sad state of affairs if an overclocked, just-released $350 card sometimes beating a non-overclocked $500 card from 2010 is deemed a great value.
I like lower wattage as much as anyone, but I doubt I'll jump in either if those rumors are true. Just too many games in my backlog I can play at 1080P/60fps to spend big dollars.
I had a number in mind (that's admittedly been growing of late) where I could justify it for X performance gains (and excellent efficiency). But I'm going to have to see some compelling benchmarks if the budget products are the ones starting at 300. Real compelling. The 7850 for 250 offers zero incentive for me. And if this is the same train Nvidia is going down, pass.
I had a number in mind (that's admittedly been growing of late) where I could justify it for X performance gains (and excellent efficiency). But I'm going to have to see some compelling benchmarks if the budget products are the ones starting at 300. Real compelling. The 7850 for 250 offers zero incentive for me. And if this is the same train Nvidia is going down, pass.
The 8800GT was priced at ~$200 because AMD chose to fight Nvidia with a "full" shrink of the R600 (RV670) at those prices. I remember before the 8800GT launch that the price was going to be higher and then Nvidia got the wind of it and lowered the price. But doing that at the last moment hurt them because they were clearly not prepared with enough quantities for such a lower price point and retailers price gouged.
By your own admission, 580 is 18 months old and not two years (2010). Besides, the real feat of the 7870 is how much efficient it is - both in terms of size and power consumption. The price may not be according to everyone's expectations but it could also be a result of pricing model that comes with a new process. Even Nvidia's CEO recently admitted that "28nm is costly". It has all the right features to become at sub $200 card quickly, that is if the process node matures soon enough.