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[Izayoi]

I'd say getting speed that cost $500 a couple months ago now for $350 is good.

If by a couple months you mean "a year and a half". The market is stagnating, and prices are still stupidly high. Something needs to change. It's really disappointing hearing that the 680 might not live up to its lofty expectations. If it's true that it's basically the same (or worse) than its counterpart, that's awful news for everyone.

Edit: And that only confirms my fears. Time to wait another year, I guess.

 

[Sethos]

Think I'll hold on to my 580 for another 6 months.

 

[John Rabbit]

welp, looks like i'll be going elsewhere for my vc upgrade.

 

[specialguy]

If by a couple months you mean "a year and a half". The market is stagnating, and prices are still stupidly high. Something needs to change. It's really disappointing hearing that the 680 might not live up to its lofty expectations. If it's true that it's basically the same (or worse) than its counterpart, that's awful news for everyone.

Edit: And that only confirms my fears. Time to wait another year, I guess.

Uhh, I think GTX 580 was 550 at launch.

I mean in the sense that as of December 2011, you could only get overclocked 7870 speed for $500.

I'm not saying 7870 is the Ti4200 or something but it's clearly a major value improvement over the prior gen. Morseo than any other card in the 7000 lineup imo.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

If Nvidia are going to price this at $549 we have to see how AMD respond. Of course it depends on the performance of the GK104, but if the rumours are to be believed and there is a 10-40% improvement depending on the game there is no way AMD would be able to justify anything above $499 for 7970.

Not only that but because of the 7970 failures we have got Nvidia pitching its performance card in the enthusiast category. Last gen the 5870 and 6970 were fast enough to outpace Nvidia's performance chip (GF104/114) but this time they don't but they still want to charge a premium price, that means we all lose, at least until Nvidia introduce their GK110 based chip, I just hope they aren't crazy enough to try and price it at $799 to justify the higher price of the GTX680.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

I knew I'd have to wait until christmas of 13 to upgrade. fine by me 580 still plenty strong.

 

[pestul]

Don't forget about AMD's rumoured performance driver as a factor as well. 79xx series performance getting a 10-15% boost would certainly make the price war interesting. This driver is expected to leak any day now.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Don't forget about AMD's rumoured performance driver as a factor as well. 79xx series performance getting a 10-15% boost would certainly make the price war interesting. This driver is expected to leak any day now.

Source? That sounds awesome!

 

[Iadien]

Damn rumors, give me official prices and launch dates please.

 

[Shambles]

So much for nVidia getting into my next build in June. *sigh*

 

[John Rabbit]

the Ti4200

god i had one of these for such a long time.

 

[artist]

Source? That sounds awesome!

Rage3D forums.

 

[pestul]

You know, after a little more digging on the performance 12.4 drivers, it appears it is most beneficial with MLAA 2.0 and not a general performance increase. Still, any gains are nice. AMD's driver team have posted before on R3D that there is a lot more to get out of the 79xx series with driver enhancements though.

 

[tokkun]

I'm not saying 7870 is the Ti4200 or something but it's clearly a major value improvement over the prior gen. Morseo than any other card in the 7000 lineup imo.

My general expectations for a new generation is 30% higher performance than the previous card at that pricepoint.

At $350, it would be going up against the 6970 from the last AMD generation. If you compare the two the results tend to be all over the place, but seems to average out to something like a 10-15% advantage for the 7870. That's a pretty poor value from a new process technology and architecture if you ask me.

Now you can talk about overclocking and rumored performance drivers, but my opinion is that when AMD is deciding the pricing they need to look at what they are guaranteeing the consumer out of the box without requiring them to gamble, void their warranty, or wait a few months.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

If Nvidia are going to price this at $549 we have to see how AMD respond. Of course it depends on the performance of the GK104, but if the rumours are to be believed and there is a 10-40% improvement depending on the game there is no way AMD would be able to justify anything above $499 for 7970.

Not only that but because of the 7970 failures we have got Nvidia pitching its performance card in the enthusiast category. Last gen the 5870 and 6970 were fast enough to outpace Nvidia's performance chip (GF104/114) but this time they don't but they still want to charge a premium price, that means we all lose, at least until Nvidia introduce their GK110 based chip, I just hope they aren't crazy enough to try and price it at $799 to justify the higher price of the GTX680.

last gen was three years ago? cause thats when the 5870 dropped, and if i recall ...it continued the ass rape the 4870 started. Nvidia has been overall on top since fermi got fixed but not the past 3 years its been back and forth.

 

[SapientWolf]

If Nvidia are going to price this at $549 we have to see how AMD respond. Of course it depends on the performance of the GK104, but if the rumours are to be believed and there is a 10-40% improvement depending on the game there is no way AMD would be able to justify anything above $499 for 7970.

Not only that but because of the 7970 failures we have got Nvidia pitching its performance card in the enthusiast category. Last gen the 5870 and 6970 were fast enough to outpace Nvidia's performance chip (GF104/114) but this time they don't but they still want to charge a premium price, that means we all lose, at least until Nvidia introduce their GK110 based chip, I just hope they aren't crazy enough to try and price it at $799 to justify the higher price of the GTX680.

The 7970 overclocks like a banshee so that might even the balance a bit. I don't know why AMD was so conservative on clocks. I still think it should have debuted at $380, same as the 5870.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

last gen was three years ago? cause thats when the 5870 dropped, and if i recall ...it continued the ass rape the 4870 started. Nvidia has been overall on top since fermi got fixed but not the past 3 years its been back and forth.

5870 and 6970 were on the same 40nm process node and both were up against Fermi and neither was able to outperform Nvidia's enthusiast card but were well ahead of the performance one. With 7970 it looks like AMD have not been able to get anywhere near Nvidia's enthusiast card and will be trading blows with the performance card, that means no price war until GK110 in July or whenever it releases.

The problem is that AMD have been beaten at their own game, small die, decent performance for the same price as the big die from Nvidia. Nvidia have, it looks like, taken a leaf out of AMD's book and released a ~300-350mm^2 chip optimised for gaming and left the big die for much later. The strategy change has meant they are 3 months behind AMD which has lead to some price gouging, but overall it leaves them able to introduce a dual GK104 and then a GK110 for a superfast single chip solution to which AMD will have no answer.

 

[TouchMyBox]

Uhh, I think GTX 580 was 550 at launch.

I mean in the sense that as of December 2011, you could only get overclocked 7870 speed for $500.

I'm not saying 7870 is the Ti4200 or something but it's clearly a major value improvement over the prior gen. Morseo than any other card in the 7000 lineup imo.

my 580 was $499 CDN day one.

 

[Sutanreyu]

So the GK104 is the 680 now? A little disappointing that they're taking that route, if true... I guess they figure they don't have to pull out the big guns just yet if they can match the 7970 with what apparently used to be the 670 Ti...

Does this mean we'll see the GK110 as the 685, if at all?

 

[mkenyon]

I'd venture a guess that the 690 will be the GK110, 695 will be dual GPU card.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

If the GTX 680 really is $550 (which makes sense), count me out. I'd bite at a 670 Ti for $400 if it OC'd well and was already faster than my OC'd 570, but anything past $400 isn't a good enough price/performance ratio for me.

Looks I'll be running my 2.5GB GTX 570 for a while longer. I just want something that, once OC'd, is a solid 40-50% faster so I can run more SGSSAA at locked 60 FPS and also do more downsampling. Battlefield 3 is dying for better AA/downsampling.

 

[Sutanreyu]

I'd venture a guess that the 690 will be the GK110, 695 will be dual GPU card.

Makes more sense.

I wish they would name them cleanly, without suffixes. 670 performance, 680 enthusiast, 690 luxurious (dual-GPU). The third number should be reserved for revisions of that chip. So a 670 Ti would instead be a 675. Makes it much easier.

 

[artist]

Although the naming is still up in the air, dual GK104 = GTX690. GK110 will probably end up as GTX7xx for some reasons.

 

[Bombadil]

I have a GTX570 with 1.28 gigs. I just got it a month ago when I built my new PC.

I play on a 1920 by 1080 monitor.

I don't see myself upgrading for about another 2 or 3 years.

I don't think most developers are going to take full advantage of the Kepler cards. They've barely started taking advantage of the GTX 2XX series cards.

 

[Poimandres]

$550? Urgh.

Is there any chance of getting a new generation video card for around $400 this year?

 

[RiverBed]

Think I'll hold on to my 580 for another 6 months.

Personally, I only consider buying a new card if it offers %50 or more power than my current card.

PS. I have a 570 and it is running everything I throw at it, so I'll be sticking with it for a year or two.

 

[mkenyon]

I have a GTX570 with 1.28 gigs. I just got it a month ago when I built my new PC.

I play on a 1920 by 1080 monitor.

I don't see myself upgrading for about another 2 or 3 years.

I don't think most developers are going to take full advantage of the Kepler cards. They've barely started taking advantage of the GTX 2XX series cards.

Need 120FPS at 120hz. These cards are made and priced for people like me.

$550? Urgh.

Is there any chance of getting a new generation video card for around $400 this year?

7870!

 

[Everdred]

Perhaps I won't be replacing my 470 this year. It's still running Crysis 2 and Battlefield 3 maxed out at around 30 frames with a few dips but I certainly would have liked 45-60.

 

[Bombadil]

Need 120FPS at 120hz. These cards are made and priced for people like me.

7870!

Yeah, for enthusiasts, I can understand the need for constant upgrading.

Before I built this PC, I had a netbook as my primary computer, so you can imagine the gulf of difference in performance I'm experiencing. I can run pretty much any game at max settings (at 1080p, of course, on a single monitor).

I'm just trying to reassure myself because I don't want to feel the buyer's remorse.

But I am pretty damn excited to see what some of the key developers (Crytek, Epic, DICE) will do with added graphical capabilities.

 

[Sciz]

I miss the sort of pricing that let me get a 4850 for $150 back in late '08.

 

[Cassius]

I miss the sort of pricing that let me get a 4850 for $150 back in late '08.

Still using my 4850 for this exact reason.

 

[quest]

$550? Urgh.

Is there any chance of getting a new generation video card for around $400 this year?

Pricing will get a lot better as the year goes on as the fab gets its yeilds up and nvidia releases more cards.

 

[Rufus]

Yeah, guess I won't be upgrading from my 4890 anytime soon after all. The money went towards a bass anyway, so screw it.

 

[PowerK]

As an employee of one big pc retail company i've had a chance to see evga mini presentation of GTX 680 2 days ago. According to evga rep GTX 680 will launch on march 22nd, it packs 1536 cores, 2gb DDR5, it will have two 6-pin pci power connectors and TDP of 190w, MSRP is $550. He also said that gtx 560ti /570 /580 will get price cuts up to $50. And that GTX 570 wont get replaced until late may. The guy was super excited.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1225986/...-arrives-this-month-etc-etc/400#post_16691060

 

[scogoth]

Need 120FPS at 120hz. These cards are made and priced for people like me.

BUT CAN IT RUN KEPLAR!

 

[Xyber]

http://www.techpowerup.com/162272/New-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-680-Pictures-Hit-The-Web.html

 

[big_z]

I love EE cards but i really hope nvidia steps it up on the fan bearings to get rid of the high pitch squeel.

 

[Refreshment.01]

As an employee of one big pc retail company i've had a chance to see evga mini presentation of GTX 680 2 days ago. According to evga rep GTX 680 will launch on march 22nd, it packs 1536 cores, 2gb DDR5, it will have two 6-pin pci power connectors and TDP of 190w, MSRP is $550. He also said that gtx 560ti /570 /580 will get price cuts up to $50. And that GTX 570 wont get replaced until late may. The guy was super excited.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1225986/...-arrives-this-month-etc-etc/400#post_16691060

So AMD's hand won't be forced in any way? Will have the same prices across the board for months to come.

 

[1-D_FTW]

So AMD's hand won't be forced in any way? Will have the same prices across the board for months to come.

Yup. Only real hope is for the fall. Maybe by then Nvidia will have released the real high-end card, and they'll be doing refreshes of the NV 104 that are targeted at the mid-range.

Of course, AMD and Nvidia are unlikely to engage in a price war, so I guess the best anyone could hope is that the WiiU flies off the shelf and puts a real dent into the demand of PC GPUs (and forcing them to get aggressive). Of course, this doesn't really wash either, because the discrete GPU market has been shrinking for years now. And they've decided to take the cable company method of trying to squeeze more money from their existing customers who haven't abandoned them (thus setting about a viscous cycle of even more people defecting the market).

 

[dehydratedbabies]

Now I don't feel as bad about spending $550 on a 3GB 580 last month. Are any non-reference cards typically released when Nvidia GPUs launch? I have until April 1st to return my Gigabyte 580 but I'm assuming I won't be able to get a 680 with as much cooling before then.

 

[Theonik]

So AMD's hand won't be forced in any way? Will have the same prices across the board for months to come.

Depends on performance. Best case scenario is that we see them drop the 7970 to $500.
A shame really. A hope for a real pricewar would be when nVidia releases the real high end keppler chips I guess. But that may mean that AMD is already preparing to roll the 8xxx.

 

[Refreshment.01]

Yup. Only real hope is for the fall. Maybe by then Nvidia will have released the real high-end card, and they'll be doing refreshes of the NV 104 that are targeted at the mid-range.

Of course, AMD and Nvidia are unlikely to engage in a price war, so I guess the best anyone could hope is that the WiiU flies off the shelf and puts a real dent into the demand of PC GPUs (and forcing them to get aggressive). Of course, this doesn't really wash either, because the discrete GPU market has been shrinking for years now. And they've decided to take the cable company method of trying to squeeze more money from their existing customers who haven't abandoned them (thus setting about a viscous cycle of even more people defecting the market).

Depends on performance. Best case scenario is that we see them drop the 7970 to $500.
A shame really. A hope for a real pricewar would be when nVidia releases the real high end keppler chips I guess. But that may mean that AMD is already preparing to roll the 8xxx.

Thanks for sharing your view points. At least there's Ivy Bridge for me to look forward to. Wonder how the new 2500K equivalent plus mother board will cost me, probably a lot so upgrading the GPU would have been hard for me.

 

[J-Rod]

I don't think I've ever seen staggered connectors like that. Does it make it easier to plug in or something?

 

[Xyber]

I don't think I've ever seen staggered connectors like that. Does it make it easier to plug in or something?

I think they did it to make the PCB shorter.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Now I don't feel as bad about spending $550 on a 3GB 580 last month. Are any non-reference cards typically released when Nvidia GPUs launch? I have until April 1st to return my Gigabyte 580 but I'm assuming I won't be able to get a 680 with as much cooling before then.

Why on earth did you do that?

 

[1-D_FTW]

I think they did it to make the PCB shorter.

Oh. That does make sense now. Between the plugs and the width needed to bend the wires, it seems like the old method adds an unnecessary 2 inches needed. That's actually a pretty cool decision now that I understand the whole point.

 

[teiresias]

Ugh, I was really hoping for a decently priced upgrade that would get me a good performance upgrade from my 460 SLI, but more importantly I was looking for an upgrade to increase my VRAM from 1GB. Granted, its only an issue with Skyrim and mods, but I anticipate my 1GB VRAM limit becoming a bigger issue even if I only do single monitor gaming at 1080p.

 

[tokkun]

Depends on performance. Best case scenario is that we see them drop the 7970 to $500.
A shame really. A hope for a real pricewar would be when nVidia releases the real high end keppler chips I guess. But that may mean that AMD is already preparing to roll the 8xxx.

They'll probably just release the high-end chip at $750

 

[dehydratedbabies]

Why on earth did you do that?

I had another build that was waiting on the GTS 250 that I was using, and I was also sick of the rumors/waiting (I bought it right after reading the false rumor that GK104 wasn't coming out until April).

 

[1-D_FTW]

In hindsight, it makes the failure of Larrabee sting all the more. Imagine if it had turned out? We'd have 3 companies fighting it out and engaged in competitive pricing.