zephervack
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·feist·;36292036 said:
Good guy nVidia, nice.
Nvidia Kepler - Geforce GTX680 Thread - Now with reviews
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Good guy nVidia, nice.
·feist·;36292036 said:
I thought they said it's also coming for 5xx
oh well I guess am buying that 4GB Evga one when it hit.
Exactly
Feel ya bro's my 480 is still doing well enough. But man I really would buy the 680 if I had the cash
·feist·;36292036 said:
Ok, i'm now confused. TXAA is Kepler specific? Isnt it basically Nvidia's SMAA? We need more info about this from Timothy.
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Oh my, Timothy's answer
So it basically says that its just exclusive to Kepler, but can be done on every card [like SMAA]. That fucking marketing ;\
dgrdsv
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No, it has nothing to do with SMAA. SMAA is closer to FXAA than anything else. TXAA is actually closer to Edge Detect AA that AMD had since R600 days.
Do You know that are different forms of SMAA?
SMAA 1x [one that can be used via injector is basically just custom MLAA], but other forms use MSAA resolve, temporal supersampling etc
From their paper http://www.iryoku.com/smaa/downloads/SMAA-Enhanced-Subpixel-Morphological-Antialiasing.pdf
Unknown Soldier
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I'm still on Bloomfield so the increase will be a lot more than 10% for me.
BoobPhysics101
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The victor is already out there SSAA, it just requires an insane amount of processing power.
So I had a pretty interesting conversation today I wanted to get you guys take on. Long story short, through my job I have a pretty amazing hook up on consumer electronics. I get significant discounts on tv's (Panasonic plasmas) because the guy is pretty high up in his field.
Anyway, I got a chance to talk with him today briefly and we were shooting the shit about the 680 etc etc. So I told him my one issue was with the HDMI 1.4 limitations/120hz. He says that they are on the way, but that plasmas in general are not going to be made much in the future.
The big thing here though is he told me that there are adapters being made, (not yet on the market) that will allow these TV's to accept 120hz from pc's. I couldn't pepper him with TV questions as much as would've liked, but he did seem to confirm the idea that they left off DVI inputs intentionally.
He said the adapter will be in the $100 to $200 range and that he'd get me one and bring in two weeks, so fingers crossed!
Anyway, I got a chance to talk with him today briefly and we were shooting the shit about the 680 etc etc. So I told him my one issue was with the HDMI 1.4 limitations/120hz. He says that they are on the way, but that plasmas in general are not going to be made much in the future.
The big thing here though is he told me that there are adapters being made, (not yet on the market) that will allow these TV's to accept 120hz from pc's. I couldn't pepper him with TV questions as much as would've liked, but he did seem to confirm the idea that they left off DVI inputs intentionally.
He said the adapter will be in the $100 to $200 range and that he'd get me one and bring in two weeks, so fingers crossed!
Revolutionary
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Fallout-NL
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Not really a victor then, is it? I'd prefer for something to be viable longer than the tiny period my videocard is still cutting edge.
dgrdsv
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SMAA is a post-processing filter which runs independent of AA resolve. SMAA >1x are basically run over an AA'ed buffer and then downsampled (resolved) into a final output buffer. It's still MLAA but with an added benefit of using subpixel precision buffers.
TXAA is a custom MSAA resolve mostly, it's not postprocessing. Details are scarce at the moment but I assume that it will only AA polygon edges and nothing more. In that it's more reminiscent of AMD's Edge Detect AA than anything else.
xemumanic
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This is something I've had issue with for some time. HDTVs don't take in a 120hz from any input, and its a shame. Because, things like Side-by-Side (as in the 360 or in PC games like Crysis 2) or Nvidia's 3DTV Play, $40 software that only limits you to 720p60 1080p24 anyway.....have to be used instead.
But I don't see how some adapter will fix this. What I do know is that both AMD's 7000 series, and the 680 both have what AMD calls 'Fast HDMI' (3GHz HDMI), but I wonder what that may have to do with it, if anything.
Actually, recent builds of SMAA have a lot of the features TXAA has (temporal supersampling etc.). But the majority of the features of both can only be used if it's properly integrated by the dev, so I'm happy NV is pushing it.
Hmm, why do you think so? To me, at this point, TXAA seems a lot more like a renaming of what Timothy Lottes was working on as "FXAA 4".
mercenar1e
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did anyone get a second EVGA GTX 680 that they want to sell?
dgrdsv
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Temporal supersampling is a nice new name for motion blur. You're essentially using your previous frame to construct the next one. This is basically a motion blur algorythm although in case of using it for AA you're dealing with as little motion trails as possible. Still motion blur isn't a feature of TXAA in my opinion because it can be added to almost anything as a postprocessing step.
It does remind of FXAA 4 in it's temporal AA part (which looks to essentially be what Lottes was describing here: http://timothylottes.blogspot.com/2011/04/tssaa-temporal-super-sampling-aa.html). But otherwise it seems to not be in any relation to FXAA 4 because nowhere in his blogs about FXAA 4 did Lottes talk about custom MSAA resolve filter - which is a main part of TXAA:
Also there is nothing about postprocessing in Kepler whitepaper's TXAA part and FXAA 4 is still a post-AA solution which is supposed to be very fast even on today's console hardware.
Yeah I'm not really sure if its a dvi to hdmi adapter of some kind?
chickdigger802
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Silly question.
my current gpu is an gtx 460... and I was wondering... do nvidia cards have hdmi output yet?
This card has 3 monitor support right? Will other 6xx cards have that as well?
my current gpu is an gtx 460... and I was wondering... do nvidia cards have hdmi output yet?
This card has 3 monitor support right? Will other 6xx cards have that as well?
I think that depends on the manufacturer of the card. My GTS 250 has HDMI.
DrBaalzamon
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I have a EVGA 460 that has HDMI out. Like someone else said, it depends on the manufacturer.
Hawk269
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Most do, but you do run into some that do not. My 580 eVGA classifieds do not have HDMI, but it came with a DVI-HDMI converter and have had no issues running 1080p/digitla sound to my system.
xemumanic
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That'd make sense........but how could it get past the 720p60/1080p24 limitation if the display doesn't?
MidgarBlowedUp
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Yep, it's card specific as others have said. My 460 AMP has 2-DVI ports, 1-HDMI port (runs 7.1 audio just fine) and, 1-DisplayPort.
The card can run dual display but, not triple. You can, however, have all three connected at once then, switch between which 2 you want at any given time.
Even my old GTX260 has 1-HDMI and 1-DVI and does dual display.
Rabid Wolverine
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Indeed you should sit this one out. SLI 580 is well enough.
Me I need to upgrade from my 5850, but with the price gouging going on in Australia im gonna have to wait a few weeks.
I disagree strongly that it's "basically motion blur". The point of the temporal AA in FXAA4 (and, I assume, TXAA) is that the projection matrix is off by one half-pixel each frame, and you use that additional information to anti-alias non-moving edges.
Feel ya bro's my 480 is still doing well enough. But man I really would buy the 680 if I had the cash
My 580 is also going strong, no need to upgrade to a 680, was hoping for a bigger performance jump
ComputerMKII
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When are NVIDIA's new mid-range cards coming out?
May, IIRC.
Well, this is certainly interesting.
http://wccftech.com/colorful-readie...l-gtx680-pcb-design-powered-8-pin-connectors/
Even comes bundled with tubes of paint ...
http://wccftech.com/colorful-readie...l-gtx680-pcb-design-powered-8-pin-connectors/
Even comes bundled with tubes of paint ...
Mr. Wonderful
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So what are people hearing about the 600M series? That's really something I'm most excited for. Smaller, cooler, GPUs that have all the power that you could ever need at the mid-range.
With the 680 being the 104 part and not the 110 part, does this put the mobile 600 series a lot closer to their PC counterparts before?
With the 680 being the 104 part and not the 110 part, does this put the mobile 600 series a lot closer to their PC counterparts before?
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-6xxm-gpus/
So should probably avoid the 600M series until they are actually based on true Kepler.
No. Most of the mobile range are re-branded Fermis, and the only mobile Keplers for now are really low-end.
LumpOfCole
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Can someone with video card and tech knowledge explain to me why TXAA will have little to no impact on card performance with Kepler? Is it using unused CUDA cores or something?
dgrdsv
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It will have an impact on performance on the levels of MSAA 2x and 4x. As for the details why it's better suited to Kepler than any other architecture there are no solid details on the TXAA algorythm at the moment.
mercenar1e
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will we see a variety of games use TXAA? how much of a push is it getting?
dehydratedbabies
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So does it seem unlikely that these will come back in stock within the next week?
I have heard early April - which means it could be another week. Just keep checking. I had the same issue when the 7970s launched - so while at work I just F5'd the NewEgg section where they're stocked and within a couple days of doing so I was able to snag one.
My rig:
Click the image to see my 3DMark 11 results.