Nvidia Kepler - Geforce GTX680 Thread - Now with reviews

Perhaps the ASUS 670 Top really becomes available. Yesterday around 8 retailers showed it available in germany, this morning already around 12.
 
RazorEdge said:
And how quiet is it compared to the Hawk? I have the same 5770 and I want my new card as quiet as that. Thats the reason I'm waiting for the ASUS.
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I can't hear it from my new case like the 5770 while playing Diablo 3. One german review claims that the Asus card is to loud under load. The Asus won the review but the negativ point is the noise under load. I chose the Palit because its cool and quiet under load and in idle.

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/22419-test-4x-nvidia-geforce-gtx-670-und-sli.html?start=22
 
RazorEdge said:
Perhaps the ASUS 670 Top really becomes available. Yesterday around 8 retailers showed it available in germany, this morning already around 12.
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OcUK has had the Top version for 2 days now. They had over 10+ stock, now about 8. I can't believe USA hasn't gotten any yet.
 
Spitz said:
I can't hear it from my new case like the 5770 while playing Diablo 3. One german review claims that the Asus card is to loud under load. The Asus won the review but the negativ point is the noise under load. I chose the Palit because its cool and quiet under load and in idle.

http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/22419-test-4x-nvidia-geforce-gtx-670-und-sli.html?start=22
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Even worse, I think remember people on the hwluxx forum complaining about annoying noise from the palit card (which apparently has been mentioned in other reviews as well as from users). Guess it comes to luck on how well your card behaves.
 
Yes reviews are always different i trusted them and some user reviews from computerbase.de and the Palit is really quiet so far and temps are good. My case is the Corsair Graphit 600T modded with Caseking damping set.
 
Ace 8095 said:
So is the Gigabyte or Asus top the 670 to get?

It looks like I should have bought the Gigabyte when I had the chance.
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I'm personally looking at EVGA Superclocked, but out of those two choices I'd go with Asus.

Do we have any estimates of when GTX 660 is coming out? If it's anything like the other Keplers it's going to make a killing at 78XX price range. We were just today building a computer for a friend of mine and he went with Sapphire 7850 OC because he didn't want to buy a gen old GTX 570 at similar price and performance point.
 
sk3tch said:
Also - PCI-E 3.0 isn't enabled, yet. :( Saw maybe 5-10% improvement in quad scaling...but I guess I only played one long round of BF3 so maybe there's more to it. We'll see in time, I guess.
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Really? Nvidia Inspector reports mine at PCI-E 3.0 x16 @ x16 1.1

Hawk269 said:
but too many people are telling me 2560x1600 is the promised land...lol
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It is, it's IQ heaven. Don't trust those heathens who want you to buy shitty TN panels because of a bit smoother gameplay.

On another note, 302.59 Nvidia developer drivers are out - New branch, wooh! Don't have any details on them yet.
 
Interestingly enough the coil whine of my gainward 680 phantom is almost completely gone. It's there for a few seconds when cold, but it completely disappears after 1-2 minutes under load.
 
Sethos said:
Really? Nvidia Inspector reports mine at PCI-E 3.0 x16 @ x16 1.1



It is, it's IQ heaven. Don't trust those heathens who want you to buy shitty TN panels because of a bit smoother gameplay.

On another note, 302.59 Nvidia developer drivers are out - New branch, wooh! Don't have any details on them yet.
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i really did lol at this :p
 
Ace 8095 said:
So is the Gigabyte or Asus top the 670 to get?

It looks like I should have bought the Gigabyte when I had the chance.
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I was holding out for the Asus, but I went w/ the Gigabyte instead. I'm glad I did. Quiet card, even on a full load I can barely hear it. Currently running 36C, and I have Diablo 3 also running on my second monitor.
 
The only card that ever goes back in stock on amazon is Galaxy :P it's just not fair! Well okay, you'll see the occasional EVGA here and there, but it's uncommon.
 
Sethos said:
Really? Nvidia Inspector reports mine at PCI-E 3.0 x16 @ x16 1.1



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On another note, 302.59 Nvidia developer drivers are out - New branch, wooh! Don't have any details on them yet.
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I'm using GPU-Z...latest version. Maybe it's mis-reporting? Actually - I know why, PCI-E 3.0 + X79 = disabled by Nvidia. Are you on X79? All other chipsets are supported for PCI-E 3.0 (afaik).

Do you have a link to the 302.59s? I can host them on my site...
 
LiquidMetal14 said:
Currently have a 600w PSU and 4.8ghz 2500k. What's a good upgrade to support at least a 680?
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What make/model is your 600W?

Edit: Nvidia recommends at least 38A on the +12V rail/s, so anything more than that and you'll be fine. My aging Corsair HX-520 (3x 18A) runs my current system (2600K @ 4.6GHz, 1.28GB GTX 570, 2x 4GB DDR3-1600, and half-a-dozen SATA drives) admirably, and reviews peg load power consumption of the 680 at 30~40W less than that of the 570.
 
http://tech.pnosker.com/2012/05/21/...lling-all-gtx-670-680-690-kepler-video-cards/

According to a leak from chip producer TSMC, NVIDIA may be recalling all of their newly released Kepler GTX 670, 680, and 690 graphics cards. After being released, serious supply issues have resulted in inflated prices and serious reduced stocking of parts. This news has come at the worst time with customers already with cards possibly needing to exchange for a new one.

According to the report, chips may be suffering from serious performance degradation over long periods of heavy load. This sounds a lot like Intel’s Sandy Bridge SATA controller issue last year with motherboards being recalled due to SATA controller performance degradation.

We will have more information as it comes.



Update 2:35 PM EST:

A few quick comments: our source has been accurate with some prior information but this is the first time we are citing something said about GPUs. Let’s just wait and see. Hopefully this isn’t true as my new computer coming in will feature dual GTX 680 cards along with a GTX 580. Additionally, it’s interesting reading the commentary throughout the web regarding this story. Firstly, I am not shorting this stock. I hold no interests in any tech companies. Some commentary has stated the lack of relation between this and Intel’s SATA snafu. I wasn’t suggesting the mechanism of failure was alike but rather that the problem and this one, if true, would be of similar magnitude shortly after release. Finally, some have stated that NVIDIA, Microsoft, and vendors all test rigorously. Yes, that should happen, but let’s look at EVGA’s announced recall of some of their GTX 670 cards due to failures. These cards were tested yet the screening failed to stop the cards from being released. We don’t have any specific details beyond “possible recall” so anything else is just speculation. For some more reading about some related occurrences read The Inquirer’s report of EVGA’s GTX 670 Superclocked recall and SemiAccurate’s account of NVIDIA’s Kepler supply issues. According to SemiAccurate, supply issues may be caused by poorly designed lithography and mask problems. Perhaps that’s what’s causing defective chips?



Update 3:28 PM EST:

NVIDIA has claimed that they will not recall any 600 series chips due to performance degradation over times of heavy usage. Let’s hope they stick to it! Of course, take both the leak and NVIDIA’s response with a grain of salt. Of course NVIDIA wouldn’t announce plans to recall before they are going to start it. Also, let’s not forget about NVIDIA’s often denied Bumpgate issue with their mobile chips a couple of years ago.
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No idea what's really going on...
 
noo! I just sold my 6850 and don't want to be completely without any GPU :-( hopefully the problem isn't actually that widespread
 
Nvidia Corp. on Monday denied plans to recall GeForce GTX products based on the GK104 graphics processing units due to rumoured eventual performance degradation. The company claims that the rumours are incorrect and the graphics products work fine.

"There is no truth to this," said Bryan Del Rizzo, a spokesman for Nvidia.

The official for the company declined to provide any further details or colour to the information published earlier on Monday. According to a media report, Nvidia GK104 "chips may be suffering from serious performance degradation over long periods of heavy load". The exact effects of performance degradation were not indicated: it is unclear whether certain stream processors stop working, or the chips drop clock-speed. As a result, the company was rumored to initiate recall process for the GK104-based products.

Before making it to the market, all the new GPUs are vigorously tested in various applications; they also pass Microsoft HCL tests, which not only stress graphics chips, but take hours to complete. Therefore, chances that chips may degrade in performance over time are pretty low.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphi...e_GTX_600_Due_to_Performance_Degradation.html

Maybe it's an attempt at making people stop buying 680s so someone can get one.
 
1-D_FTW said:
Other than the fact their mid range had to become their high-end and supply is still almost nonexistent.
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What the hell does pricing have to do with manufacturing process? *brain explodes*

Only a moron would give a rumour credit after one shitty website posts a non-sourced story. You don't think that if this was an issue you'd be seeing people with Keplers in their hands having problems? No, that would require too much effort to put that much thought into something. This ladies and gentlemen, is what we call trolling for website hits.
 
1-D_FTW said:
Other than the fact their mid range had to become their high-end and supply is still almost nonexistent.
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Who is at fault for that? Nvidia? Or AMD for producing a non-competitive GPU line that Kepler is wiping the floor with and hence not making Nvidia need to up their game as quickly to compete? Given what AMD has out on the market right now, there's no need for this mythical "higher end" part that was supposedly going to be the "real" GTX680 to even exist.
 
Shambles said:
What the hell does pricing have to do with manufacturing process? *brain explodes*

Only a moron would give a rumour credit after one shitty website posts a non-sourced story. You don't think that if this was an issue you'd be seeing people with Keplers in their hands having problems? No, that would require too much effort to put that much thought into something. This ladies and gentlemen, is what we call trolling for website hits.
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What the hell doesn't it? *Brain explodes*

Nvidia is no longer paying per working unit. They're paying per wafer (whatever the yields are). If you're getting horrible yields, that's a damn good reason to make it your high end card (to cover all the boards going in the trash). They have to be thanking the Graphic Gods that AMD so under-delivered and they could still claim the performance crown with it.

And let's be blunt and honest here: High end flagships are vanity products. Despite some people with more money than sense, these are not high sellers. So if this was going to be the mid-range card (which rich gaf bitched about for months "Oh, the shitty GK 104 is launching first?! WTF, Nvidia? Give us the good card first! We don't want no crappy budget card!", where's the supply?

If you can't even supply a high-end market where's there's almost no demand (and it's only in short supply because supply is virtually non-existent), this either had no chance at ever being the mid-range card (which we know it was), or something has gone drastically wrong.
 
Hi, I'm that guy...

Would you guys consider a single 680 a worthy upgrade to a dual 6870s setup? Maybe I should wait for the next one?
 
teiresias said:
Who is at fault for that? Nvidia? Or AMD for producing a non-competitive GPU line that Kepler is wiping the floor with and hence not making Nvidia need to up their game as quickly to compete? Given what AMD has out on the market right now, there's no need for this mythical "higher end" part that was supposedly going to be the "real" GTX680 to even exist.
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Huh? A overclocked 7970 ties or beats a overclocked GTX 680...

And last I checked everywhere short of $400 Nvidia has nada...speaking of non competitive.

The part that looks bad right now is the 7950, but a simple price adjustment will fix that.
 
I'd just like to point out that all Kepler models (670, 680, 690) are widely available in Europe, and have been for some time now.

With the &#8364; ~= $ pricing I don't blame them if they'd rather sell them here than in the US.
 
1-D_FTW said:
What the hell doesn't it? *Brain explodes*

Nvidia is no longer paying per working unit. They're paying per wafer (whatever the yields are). If you're getting horrible yields, that's a damn good reason to make it your high end card (to cover all the boards going in the trash). They have to be thanking the Graphic Gods that AMD so under-delivered and they could still claim the performance crown with it.

And let's be blunt and honest here: High end flagships are vanity products. Despite some people with more money than sense, these are not high sellers. So if this was going to be the mid-range card (which rich gaf bitched about for months "Oh, the shitty GK 104 is launching first?! WTF, Nvidia? Give us the good card first! We don't want no crappy budget card!", where's the supply?

If you can't even supply a high-end market where's there's almost no demand (and it's only in short supply because supply is virtually non-existent), this either had no chance at ever being the mid-range card (which we know it was), or something has gone drastically wrong.
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If this is the case then why does AMD, who is having much less problems with manufacturing, have much shittier pricing for the products they are offering. Sure costs influence pricing but it doesn't add up to much. Do you think that the 3770K actually costs Intel $300 to make? Of course not, but do you think it even costs them $100, even $50? They spend far more on R&D for a chip then they do actually making it in the end.
 
Received my MSI 670 and have been using it for a couple days now. So far, loving it, everything I've thrown at it (1920x1080) has ran flawlessly.
 
Saw three MSI 670s at the north Houston Fry's. No price marked on them. Boxes were unsealed, so I passed.

Good luck and bring plenty of body armor.
 
mkenyon said:
You're being lied to. 120hz is.
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Only really for competitive twitch FPS games and maybe fighting games. I love my 120Hz monitor, but my Dell ultrasharp gets all the attention because it has incredible IQ.

I am like twice as good at TF2 with my 120 Hz monitor though.
 
For everybody in germany/europe:

Mindfactory and other retailers just updated their expected availability from mid june to 25.5.. And it got 5€ cheaper ^^

Perhaps a good sign?!
 
Can't find the GTX 690 anywhere, it's the last part I need for my new rig. Newegg and evga in stock notifications are good for about 10 seconds before selling out :(
 
TouchMyBox said:
Only really for competitive twitch FPS games and maybe fighting games. I love my 120Hz monitor, but my Dell ultrasharp gets all the attention because it has incredible IQ.

I am like twice as good at TF2 with my 120 Hz monitor though.
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I've never been one for super accurate colors and all that business. Smooth animation/movement, 80+ FPS with no frame tearing, and low input lag is much more important to me. Totally subjective though. What isn't subjective is that all three things I listed are awesome.

What 120hz monitor do you have? The S23/S27 Samsungs and BenQ XL2420T have really really nice screens. I swear they almost look more vibrant than my transformer prime's screen.

shungokusatsu said:
Can't find the GTX 690 anywhere, it's the last part I need for my new rig. Newegg and evga in stock notifications are good for about 10 seconds before selling out :(
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Register an account on evga.com. Sign up for auto-notify, and make sure you have a way to get notified of new emails that come in. You have about 3 minutes to finish the purchase from the time you receive it. I snagged one on launch day by spamming refresh.
 
I am on my second evga gtx 670 and this one is experiencing BSODs while playing high end games such as BF3 or Cyrsis 2. It always happens around 30-45 minutes into the gameplay. I have played Diablo 3 for hours at a time without an issue.


My Specs
i5 2500k @ 4.2ghz
EVGA GTX 670(standard, not overclocked) driver version 301.42 WHQL(got bsods before updating as well)
8gb DDR3 ram
64gb m4 ssd
1tb data hdd
520w corsair PSU



I upgraded from an ati 5850 and I ran driver sweeper before installing the 670. I decided to just do a fresh install of windows and played some Crysis 2 with the hd textures and dx11 mod. The temps hovered around the low to mid 70s for around 30-45 minutes of gameplay before I got another BSOD. Could the PSU be underpowered? I am willing to purchase a new one if it would help, I just don't want to order before I pinpoint the issue.
 
Have you tried the custom fan profile yet? The 670 only uses about 30% of your fan speed. How hot is your room? Try turning down your settings just a little bit and not maxing it out if you were, play it for an hour and see if you crash again.


If I were you, i'd return that EVGA and get a Gigabyte or Asus.
 
specialguy said:
Huh? A overclocked 7970 ties or beats a overclocked GTX 680...

And last I checked everywhere short of $400 Nvidia has nada...speaking of non competitive.

The part that looks bad right now is the 7950, but a simple price adjustment will fix that.
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That's what he's saying. The fact that AMD's top-tier part can only do slightly better if overclocked than NVIDIA's mid-tier card is kind of pathetic.
 
demigod said:
Have you tried the custom fan profile yet? The 670 only uses about 30% of your fan speed. How hot is your room? Try turning down your settings just a little bit and not maxing it out if you were, play it for an hour and see if you crash again.


If I were you, i'd return that EVGA and get a Gigabyte or Asus.
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I dont think I can return it to newegg anymore since this is my second evga card after they replaced my first. I dont think temps in the low 70s would be enough to crash the card? Im pretty sure my 5850 was around there all the time and never caused a bsod.
 
So how about that v-sync stuttering issue, eh? I had assumed that buying a new gaming rig with a GTX680 would allow me to run almost any game in smooth 60 FPS, but as it turns out, not a single game will actually do that with v-sync enabled. At least Nvidia has acknowledged the issue and is working on a fix, but it won't arrive until June...
 
Izayoi said:
That's what he's saying. The fact that AMD's top-tier part can only do slightly better if overclocked than NVIDIA's mid-tier card is kind of pathetic.
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that's cool, where can i buy nvidias high end card? Also, why are Nvidia pricing their mid range card at $500????!!
 
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