Nyteshade517
Member
think they mean not happy with the game itself not saying it's an NVIDIA thing since all other GameWorks games have that stuff pointed out
Nvidia's GameWorks causing issues for AMD users in Gears of War: Ultimate Edition
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think they mean not happy with the game itself not saying it's an NVIDIA thing since all other GameWorks games have that stuff pointed out
The problem is that you're making a thread based on a random WCCFTech rumor/clickbait article.
Using WCCFTech as a "tech" source is about as accurate as using VG Chartz as a "sales" source.
Except, it's a not a PhysX issue. Which would have been obvious if the thread wasn't sourced from such an unreliable site.
Speculation and conspiracy theories are how WCCFTech gets traffic. The site has a long history of posting unreliable info and sometimes just making stuff up for hits.
These posts sum it up well.
michaelius
Banned
Ahh the usual level of knowledge represented by wccftech
We don't know if that is a licensing requirement, I'm sure it is mentioned in the game credits. Other games that typically make a big deal out of it are usually bundled by Nvidia.
iNvid02
Member
do you have a link to what they said?, didnt know it was considered a myth either
GHG
Gold Member
Even if it's "only" an AO problem my point still stands. Even more so as you don't even need to mod a game to inject AO in a lot of cases.
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
If WFFCtech is a bad source, mods can feel free to close to thread - I genuinely didn't know it was a ********-tier source. My apologies.
Dictator93
Member
Maldo's blog on it
Sadly all the Crymod links are hard to find since they have remade the website since then (from Crymod, to Crydev, to Cryengine now), but it basically boils down to this. The original "article" (I say it in quotes, because it was so poorly thought out and researched) pointed out all of its evidence by using the CryEngine's wireframe mode. The thing is, wireframe mode disables LODs, distance scaling, and occlusion culling. So things like the tessellated ocean, and the distance at which tessellation factors ramped up were completely blown out of proportion. They were much more conservative in the real game.
This on top of the fact that those "highly tessellated barriers" are not even using an expensive form of tessellation: Phong Tessellation.
Likewise, anyone these days can just load up Crysis 2 with maldo's mod and toggle tessellation, reduced tessellation, or tessellation off to see how inexpensive it actually was on all hardware. So many other things introduced in the DX11 update were killing performance on most cards, not the tessellation.
The funny thing is that I end up writing this exact same post every couple of months as this pops up to this day. It just says a lot about how myths propogate and maintain their hold. It is easier to write untruths than to research truths I guess.
R10Neymarfan
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I think the issue is more that the One version had async compute for SSAO. Yet the feature is missing on PC that was coded with DX12. And suspicious replaced with in GAF's mind a superior HBAO+ nvidia peddles in all their games especially creators of the quickly outdated Maxwell GPUs that have problems with async compute... Hmm...
Dictator93
Member
HBAO+ does not melt asynchronous beams.
CreepingFear
Member
I've been busy in real life with work related things, but it sounds like I want to stay away from buying any games from the Windows 10 store, huh?
Wowfunhappy
Member
Edit: Welp, this is what I get for not reading the thread properly.
exmachina64
Banned
It's going to be on a case-by-case basis.
To an extent, I wonder if Microsoft rushed this port out because they appear to not have notified Nvidia or AMD before sending out review code.
When there's SmokeWorks, there's FireWorks
Dick Justice
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R10Neymarfan
Member
Yes and I can see why they do it most GPU are far more power than console to just use vanilla HBAO+. But it's certainly strange that asynchronous compute is started to get omitted in the PC versions of games which Nvidia just happens to sponsor. Especially after the fact of shitstorm of Nvidia not leading in DX12 technology. Just makes you think but of course majority of owners here are nvidia owned so nothing questioned.
Source please. Only element I can dig up is The Coalition contemplating using async compute for AO in an Eurogamer interview.
EDIT :
No evidence it has been used on Xbox One like you pretend, however it seems they had an implementation at some point in time, why has not it been used in the final release I don't know.
Likewise MSAA has not made it either.
1) It is widely accepted HBAO+ is the best screen space AO available.
2) In what way are Maxwell GPUs "outdated" ?
OldAsUrSock
Banned
1.HBAO+ is the best looking, but it does not jive with AMD.
2.Maxwell does not support Asynchronous processing.
1) HBAO+ works fine on AMD cards in many other games. Sometimes, it's even cheaper.
2) One feature missing by no means equals "outdated". Otherwise how would you call AMD cards lacking features such as conservative rasterization or rastered ordered views ?
The anti Nvidia bias is strong.
There's nothing shady going here; AsyncCompute isn't a standard multiplatform feature for the RHI on UE4, and the implementation is only available on XBO. The feature was actually done by Lionhead, but Epic decided integrate it to UE4 as it can be a powerful tool for developing well performing games.
https://docs.unrealengine.com/lates...ing/ShaderDevelopment/AsyncCompute/index.html
It does say the feature should eventually become available as a multiplatform tool, but as of right now it's not. Maybe as part of the RHI 2.0 on the roadmap: https://trello.com/b/gHooNW9I/ue4-roadmap
iNvid02
Member
thats really good to know thanks, seems like they didnt bother to update the article or provide the responses to it either which is just bad form, i doubt many people care at this point since the damage has been done
Yeah, it's not a banned site, but it is the equivalent of a supermarket tabloid.
That's why, as you noted in your OP, you hadn't seen this mentioned elsewhere.
They may occasionally post something accurate, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
roadrunn3r
Member
So what's the problem, just edit the ini file.... oh wait you can't.
Please stop linking that garbage site.
Please stop linking that garbage site.
Very true. Many forumites still think that Treasure was made up of an ex-Konami superteam that worked on Hard Corps and Castlevania IV, lol.
dgrdsv
Member
GoWUE PC has nothing to do with NV. Whatever decisions were made on it were made by The Coalition / MS themselves.
Both of these points are false.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Good thing it's PC gaming and the modders will quickly solve this with..
Oh. Right.
Where are those UWP Microsoft Defense Force posters now?
Oh. Right.
Where are those UWP Microsoft Defense Force posters now?
abracadaver
Member
The ambient occlusion on AMD cards has already been fixed with yesterdays patch
I don't get how Microsoft are so enthusiastic about digging their own grave.
Unknown Soldier
Member
What's funny here is that the original Gears of War for Windows also had a problem where an update for GFWL broke the game and made it so you couldn't launch it and a patch was issued to fix that.
Gears of War is like the microcosm of what is wrong with MS and PC gaming and why most PC gamers would like MS to just fuck off from PC gaming and leave us alone.
Gears of War is like the microcosm of what is wrong with MS and PC gaming and why most PC gamers would like MS to just fuck off from PC gaming and leave us alone.
icecold1983
Member
Hbao+ has been faster on amd hardware lately so this seems like a developer problem
LordOcidax
Member
Why? Is a banned site or we have evidence that they misinform? Just to know.. i read that site sometimes.
Memorabilia
Member
Yep. And on the flip side, the first thing that ran through my mind when this news dropped was, "...and this is exactly why PC gaming isn't likely to completely replace console gaming anytime soon." There seems to be quite a bit of speculation about how MS putting their games on the PC depletes the Xbones market but I just don't see it. PC gaming is still generally too much of a pain in the ass for the vast majority of gamers out there who want the reliability and ease of use of a console where you turn it on and for the most part it just works.
Hamster Plugin
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If this game was released as normal Windows software instead of an app, people could go into the config files to find settings to make these issues less of a problem. It's still Unreal Engine so there's plenty of hidden settings. So yes, if they had released this on Steam, this would be much less of a problem!
But because this is a Windows 10 app so it cannot be modded, we are out of luck.
Not banned, but consistently misinforming or giving false information. Also see the Tim Sweeney thread earlier today and their outright abysmal article on the topic that not only makes misleading statements and narrative of the situation but also fundamentally misunderstands PC gaming.
MillionStabs
Banned
Truely, they are committed to PC gaming.
Seriously though, all this UWA bullshit is killing my hype boner over Killer Instinct.
More like "blame anyone but Nvidia"
Even though Nvidia doesn't have a hand in how Microsoft making their game they do have a hand in how their drivers are implemented.
CPU accelerated PhysX was proven by David Kanter to be purposefully gimped by using an outdated instruction set when ran on a CPU. If it actually was running on an instruction set that has been around for 2 decades an Intel CPU could run physx even better than Nvidia's gpus.
There also isn't any excuse for the type of degradation we are seeing when an AMD gpu runs HBAO.
Nvidia basically set up a trap to make AMD cards look worse than they normally would and MS played into their hands and thus spreading the idea that AMD can't make decent enough drivers to accommodate 3rd party code.
CPU accelerated PhysX was proven by David Kanter to be purposefully gimped by using an outdated instruction set when ran on a CPU. If it actually was running on an instruction set that has been around for 2 decades an Intel CPU could run physx even better than Nvidia's gpus.
There also isn't any excuse for the type of degradation we are seeing when an AMD gpu runs HBAO.
Nvidia basically set up a trap to make AMD cards look worse than they normally would and MS played into their hands and thus spreading the idea that AMD can't make decent enough drivers to accommodate 3rd party code.
GPU Physx on the CPU is horribly inefficient, but CPU Physx is not. Gears is the latter.
I don't believe Nvidia set any trap, this is The Coalition's doing and possibly AMD's drivers fault.