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[Buggy Loop]

But with the PS3 Slim, the cuts were not only due to a node reduction.

Probably less than 10%.

Cmon winjer

We go from 12% AMD share a just a year ago, the same argument that AMD is not present in prebuilds hold for that period too.

At 12% AMD would easily have ~18% Nvidia DIY in the market.

 

[Zathalus]

still cant run mh wilds properly keklol

A $350 card runs it better than any console. Anything more and it gets overkill.

 

[SpearHea.:D]

Amd Nexus dude needs to take a bath and try harder shilling amd.

 

[Draugoth]

We are already at a point where the average person can download an open source model and run it on relatively reasonably priced hardware through free software harnesses. Pretty much anyone can download and run OpenAI gpt-oss 20b via LM Studio completely free right now and run it within a 16gb ram profile. It can eliminate the need to pay for a monthly subscription for many tasks. I can run several mini models at the same time and chain tasks using different models, all completely disconnected from the internet. Its moving that fast and it's that good. If you run the models on a GPU you can do some really cool stuff very quickly and the tools all target CUDA.

I also think local LMs will be the future of this technology, less powerful but private and reliable, I don't think Image and Video Generation will be widely used as it's being today, more likely the biggest market for it will be Photoshop and Furry Porn.

 

[PeteBull]

Amd has no1 else to blame but themselfs, their rx 9070/xt msrp are even more fake than nvidias.

Actual streetprice even now so many months after launch is 600$ for rx 9070 and 700$ for 9070xt, and we talking cheapest most basic models.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=591,592&sort=price&page=1

 

[demigod]

They had Monopoly in PS2 gen, that was the reason why PS3 was so overdesigned and high in price. They thought no one would be able to compete anyway. PS5 is a repeat of PS2 gen in this aspect (too bad not in games quality).

Nintendo has Monopoly and they are greedy as fuck, I never said otherwise but their hardware don't interest me at all. That's why I'm focusing on Sony here.

Nvidia is like Sony on steroids, there is Nothing in their way. Then can charge whatever they want.

Your logic makes no sense though. You're saying PS6 will cost a lot due to monopoly yet the next Xbox is going to be $1k or more. So does Xbox have monopoly? Hell no.

 

[Kenpachii]

Nvidia is always 1 step ahead of AMD and it makes it hard to switch lanes. I moved from intel to amd on the CPU front after being on intel for 15+ years because intel is simple not on par with AMD atm. But with videocards, they have been trailing behind nvidia ever since the 900 series days. With Nvidia moved to DLSS it made buying into AMD kinda completely pointless. Now with FSR4 they moved into the right direction but they are still behind when it comes to framegen, support and transformer version of DLSS is just so good i dropped my default quality dlss setting to performance which made 3440x1440 gaming at max settings and high refreshrates a real possibility.

What AMD needs to do is react faster to Nvidia on new trends. The 9000 series sure is a good move forwards tho.

 

[StereoVsn]

That shop in Germany is known for being one of AMD's biggest distributor in Europe and has lower pricing accordingly than anywhere else. Of course it has good AMD sales, as anyone looking for AMD goes there.

"Not paper launch" RDNA 2 in covid era where everything was leaving the shelves took 2 years to reach a cumulative (all 6000 series) 1.5% on Steam survey. Prebuilds alone don't explain this drought of almost never showing up on Steam survey or when they do its very late or by a small percentage.

What's your estimate of prebuilts vs DIY? I would wager 70-30.

Don't laptop discrete GPUs count in the market percentages here? That will skew the ratios.

 

[StereoVsn]

Your logic makes no sense though. You're saying PS6 will cost a lot due to monopoly yet the next Xbox is going to be $1k or more. So does Xbox have monopoly? Hell no.

Next Xbox is rumored to be a high end system that is going to contain that large AMD UDNA 5 APU and support PC game storefronts. It's not going to be inexpensive as it sounds like MS going for the high end.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Don't laptop discrete GPUs count in the market percentages here? That will skew the ratios.

Not in the OP's market analysis, on Steam hardware survey you see higher AMD % because of iGPU.

 

[Bojji]

Your logic makes no sense though. You're saying PS6 will cost a lot due to monopoly yet the next Xbox is going to be $1k or more. So does Xbox have monopoly? Hell no.

We don't know the price of PS6 but for sure it's going to be higher than PS5 launch. And they know people will buy millions based on PS5 sales.

Different reasons for higher prices, Xbox seems to aim at hardcore crowd (type of people that bought Pro consoles and Xbox 1 X), console will be expensive but at the same time it will provide the most power. It's a niche product.

 

[demigod]

We don't know the price of PS6 but for sure it's going to be higher than PS5 launch. And they know people will buy millions based on PS5 sales.

Different reasons for higher prices, Xbox seems to aim at hardcore crowd (type of people that bought Pro consoles and Xbox 1 X), console will be expensive but at the same time it will provide the most power. It's a niche product.

Your logic from the beginning made no sense. You are just picking the narrative that fits you. The hate boner you have for Sony is hilarious.

 

[Idleyes]

AMD & Intel

 

[Pop]

DLSS wins

It was the deciding factor for me over raw power at the same price point

 

[Bojji]

Your logic from the beginning made no sense. You are just picking the narrative that fits you. The hate boner you have for Sony is hilarious.

They are lazy fucks this gen, they barely do anything. I'm not the only one with this opinion. You can label me as Sony hater, I don't care.

And this what you and your friends wanted, for MS to give up. Now SCE is run by accountants, not passionate people.
Same thing happened with GPU war, there was a time when Ati had ~50% of market share, nvidia fanboys helped to destroy that competition.

Now AMD is like MS, they don't give a fuck. They released good GPU (9070XT) but for the wrong price, if they wanted to gain market share they should have priced it ~500$ - REAL price (because that 600$ MSRP is virtual).

 

[winjer]

Cmon winjer

We go from 12% AMD share a just a year ago, the same argument that AMD is not present in prebuilds hold for that period too.

At 12% AMD would easily have ~18% Nvidia DIY in the market.

So you think only the diy market loses share.
Most people who buy prebuilts only know nvidia. That is where nvidias gains came from.

 

[Buggy Loop]

So you think only the diy market loses share.
Most people who buy prebuilts only know nvidia. That is where nvidias gains came from.

So AMD is negligeable prebuilts (not my words, its the argument i see from this thread including you) but somehow lost 12%→6% but its inconceivable that Nvidia also has +12%?

I don't follow that leap of logic to be honest.

 

[winjer]

So AMD is negligeable prebuilts (not my words, its the argument i see from this thread including you) but somehow lost 12%→6% but its inconceivable that Nvidia also has +12%?

I don't follow that leap of logic to be honest.

My argument is that the prebuilt market is much bigger than the diy.

Did you forget the part where shipments increased 23% for the quarter.

As far as we know maybe AMD is shipping the same number of gpus. But nvidia got the whole 23% increase.

 

[Buggy Loop]

My argument is that the prebuilt market is much bigger than the diy.

Did you forget the part where shipments increased 23% for the quarter.

As far as we know maybe AMD is shipping the same number of gpus. But nvidia got the whole 23% increase.

So let me bullet point all this

• AMD only is almost entirely DIY and virtually no prebuilts
• Somehow 12% AMD just a year ago, but inconceivable that Nvidia also has a minimum of 12% of DIY out of the 88% total marketshare they had

Am I missing anything?

So as of this quarter 2025, what do you think is the % of DIY on Nvidia side?

 

[winjer]

So let me bullet point all this

• AMD only is almost entirely DIY and virtually no prebuilts
• Somehow 12% AMD just a year ago, but inconceivable that Nvidia also has a minimum of 12% of DIY out of the 88% total marketshare they had

Am I missing anything?

So as of this quarter 2025, what do you think is the % of DIY on Nvidia side?

Nvidia has the bigger share on both segments. But probably, in the diy market its slightly smaller in percentage.
All the reports we had showed that RDNA4 was doing better than previous amd gen, in diy stores.
But its also obvious that its not enough to move the needle.

And you keep ignoring that shipments increased 23% this quarter. And it was nvidia that took most, if not all of it.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

Huh, I thought AMD was supposed to be on the upswing?

The only people that love buying AMD is console users because they have no choice (Xbox and PS5 all use AMD GPUs).

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

Nvidia just makes superior GPUs, and path tracing with DLSS4 and frame generation is wizardry. Seeing it in games like CP2077 makes you not want to consider anything less.

With that said, this is unfortunate. The lack of competition is making Nvidia more and more greedy. I like their cards but I really hate their prices.

 

[Gamer79]

I was on the Nvidia bandwagon until the 50xx series cards. After my 4070 I may jump ship to AMD due to how anti-consumer Nvidia has become.

 

[SABRE220]

Eh, 9070XT is on par with 5070Ti and mostly cheaper by $100+. It's a good card.

I mean it's on a similar level in raster games, it's around a 4070ti in rt games and gets left way behind in the path tracing workloads which is why it's always *asterisks* involved. If it could compete consistently with the 5070 etc with the latest graphics tech active then it's truly a competitive offering. It's a good effort overall from amd considering how behind they were but they needed to price it much more aggressively to make an impact.

 

[SolidQ]

gets left way behind in the path tracing workloads

Let's wait Redstone, and then we compare same techs from both side and perf

 

[StereoVsn]

Not in the OP's market analysis, on Steam hardware survey you see higher AMD % because of iGPU.

Laptop Nvidia GPUs should count as discrete though. That will slant the total market percentage quite a bit.

I mean it's on a similar level in raster games, it's around a 4070ti in rt games and gets left way behind in the path tracing workloads which is why it's always *asterisks* involved. If it could compete consistently with the 5070 etc with the latest graphics tech active then it's truly a competitive offering. It's a good effort overall from amd considering how behind they were but they needed to price it much more aggressively to make an impact.

Do people use Path Tracing with a 5070Ti? Doesn't seem it would have enough horsepower to do much there. And realistically only very small number of games even implement it in a manner that is worth having.

 

[Gaiff]

Laptop Nvidia GPUs should count as discrete though. That will slant the total market percentage quite a bit.

The OP is strictly AIB shipments. Laptop and iGPUS don't count. It's only cards that are sold and installed separately.

Steam survey includes every kind of GPU, including AMD onboard graphics and much older ones, explaining the much larger AMD share.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Huh, I thought AMD was supposed to be on the upswing?

Why is this reminding me of "GamePass is growing fastest on PC".

 

[StereoVsn]

The OP is strictly AIB shipments. Laptop and iGPUS don't count. It's only cards that can be sold and installed separately.

Steam survey includes every kind of GPU, including AMD onboard graphics and much older ones, explaining the much larger AMD share.

Hmm… I am kind of surprised that AMD is that low then. I do recall some pretty good numbers reported on sales side the first few months for 9070 series.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Amd has no1 else to blame but themselfs, their rx 9070/xt msrp are even more fake than nvidias.

Actual streetprice even now so many months after launch is 600$ for rx 9070 and 700$ for 9070xt, and we talking cheapest most basic models.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=591,592&sort=price&page=1

I mean to be honest, this is before the tariffs crap.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/powered-by-amd/267624/gigabyte-radeon-rx-9070-xt-gaming-oc-16g-graphics-card-gv-r9070xtgaming-oc-16gd-gv-r9070xtgaming-oc-16gd.html

here in Canada we do have almost close to MSRP cards for the 9070xt ( 650 USD for OC 3x fans card ).

not perfect at 600$ but then again, its an OC version not a reference or FE card. which is a fair ask.

if the prices are high in the US, then you know who to blame, the same goes with Sony increasing the prices of the PS5 in US because of Tariffs. when we have it here cheaper than the US by a good margin.

aim your blame to where it should be, in this case its not the companies lol.

 

[Gaiff]

Hmm… I am kind of surprised that AMD is that low then. I do recall some pretty good numbers reported on sales side the first few months for 9070 series.

The shipments are up overall, so AMD can still see an increase in total sales all the while decreasing in market percentage. If their shipments go up by 10% but NVIDIA by 25%, they will lose market share.

 

[demigod]

Hmm… I am kind of surprised that AMD is that low then. I do recall some pretty good numbers reported on sales side the first few months for 9070 series.

They blew their load on the fake $599 msrp so launch numbers were high.

I mean to be honest, this is before the tariffs crap.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/powered-by-amd/267624/gigabyte-radeon-rx-9070-xt-gaming-oc-16g-graphics-card-gv-r9070xtgaming-oc-16gd-gv-r9070xtgaming-oc-16gd.html

here in Canada we do have almost close to MSRP cards for the 9070xt ( 650 USD for OC 3x fans card ).

not perfect at 600$ but then again, its an OC version not a reference or FE card. which is a fair ask.

if the prices are high in the US, then you know who to blame, the same goes with Sony increasing the prices of the PS5 in US because of Tariffs. when we have it here cheaper than the US by a good margin.

aim your blame to where it should be, in this case its not the companies lol.

It's $699 here at microcenter.

 

[//DEVIL//]

They blew their load on the fake $599 msrp so launch numbers were high.

It's $699 here at microcenter.

yeah if I am going to guess, that 50$ more is tariffs ..

 

[CobraAB]

And Intel maybe has the best bang for the buck.

Go figure....

 

[lh032]

A $350 card runs it better than any console. Anything more and it gets overkill.

nonsense. go take a look and compare steam reviews and psn reviews.

Game just run worse on PC , its a fact. PCMR just love to talk shit about console when a game runs worse on theirs because they have too much ego

 

[Kataploom]

Are they counting datacenters purchases somehow? This feels beyond any reasonable expectation

 

[Gaiff]

Are they counting datacenters purchases somehow? This feels beyond any reasonable expectation

No, only AIBs.

 

[PeteBull]

I mean to be honest, this is before the tariffs crap.

https://www.canadacomputers.com/en/powered-by-amd/267624/gigabyte-radeon-rx-9070-xt-gaming-oc-16g-graphics-card-gv-r9070xtgaming-oc-16gd-gv-r9070xtgaming-oc-16gd.html

here in Canada we do have almost close to MSRP cards for the 9070xt ( 650 USD for OC 3x fans card ).

not perfect at 600$ but then again, its an OC version not a reference or FE card. which is a fair ask.

if the prices are high in the US, then you know who to blame, the same goes with Sony increasing the prices of the PS5 in US because of Tariffs. when we have it here cheaper than the US by a good margin.

aim your blame to where it should be, in this case its not the companies lol.

Amd's priority wasnt to get marketshare, sorry but Canada with its tiny population wont make a dent anyways, so prices at ur country have close to 0 relevance same as amd prices in my country(Poland ;p).
They need to not only have similar, but actually visibly lower prices compared to nvidia products, thats what is required to gain marketshare, and thats why they are failing, and hard

We all remember how terrible 50xx series cards launch was, and yet that crazy overpriced rtx 5090 sits at 0,26% in newest steamsurvey from august 2025, its not about oem's/prebuilds etc, while "very popular" 6800xt from amd sits at 0,28%, no new rx 90xx series cards from amd at all in top100
750ti(launched feb 2014 at 150$ msrp/streetprice) is still in top100 with its 0,22% of users, how the fuck amd has not even 1 card from 90xx series in there? Total flop =/

 

[Gaiff]

nonsense. go take a look and compare steam reviews and psn reviews.

Game just run worse on PC , its a fact. PCMR just love to talk shit about console when a game runs worse on theirs because they have too much ego

Dumb post. The Steam reviews include a shitton of weak PCs that barely run the game and a few high-powered rigs that can run the game far beyond PS5/Pro specs, but that doesn't matter because the performance is still way below what you'd expect.

And the PSN reviews are barebones as fuck.

 

[SABRE220]

Laptop Nvidia GPUs should count as discrete though. That will slant the total market percentage quite a bit.


Do people use Path Tracing with a 5070Ti? Doesn't seem it would have enough horsepower to do much there. And realistically only very small number of games even implement it in a manner that is worth having.

Well of course they do, the 5070ti is perfectly capable of running path traced games at honestly surprisingly good performance with dlss. Even a 3080 can run cyberpunk path traced at 30fps at 1080p. There's this weird misconception that path tracing can only be used on 4090 level hardware which just isn't true. I mean that's exactly the thinking I'm talking about, people who buy gpus that cost 700$ and above are buying these things expensive gpus to run games with the best tech turned on. Do you remember the saying "Can it run crisis?" That was just one game that was far ahead of the others and every damn gpu buyer was shelling out money to run it at its peak. Whichever platform provided a card that could run it significantly better officially became the only choice in the consumers head.

 

[Gaiff]

lh032 You gotta do better than your lame laughing reactions.

 

[StereoVsn]

Well of course they do, the 5070ti is perfectly capable of running path traced games at honestly surprisingly good performance with dlss. Even a 3080 can run cyberpunk path traced at 30fps at 1080p. There's this weird misconception that path tracing can only be used on 4090 level hardware which just isn't true. I mean that's exactly the thinking I'm talking about, people who buy gpus that cost 700$ and above are buying these things expensive gpus to run games with the best tech turned on. Do you remember the saying "Can it run crisis?" That was just one game that was far ahead of the others and every damn gpu buyer was shelling out money to run it at its peak. Whichever platform provided a card that could run it significantly better officially became the only choice in the consumers head.

All I know even with a 5080 Path Tracing is mostly not worth it. I would rather bump the image quality up and get frame rate over 100 FPS.

 

[delirium trigger]

Reddit is in shambles.

 

[SABRE220]

All I know even with a 5080 Path Tracing is mostly not worth it. I would rather bump the image quality up and get frame rate over 100 FPS.

Maybe to you bro, but path tracing can be a near generational difference(there are underwhelming cases like doom dark ages), playing Indiana Jones is a whole different experience it goes from ugly to sexy and I would easily play it at 60-80fps with framegen on to enhance that than play the ugly shit at 140+fps. As soon as the path tracing mode came on for cyber punk people with 3090 and above were turning that shit on, I don't think anyone in the 4xxx gen 4070ti and above turned it off. Dlss made playing these games with PT a very real possibility. With transformer even dlss performance has impressive image quality.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Reddit is in shambles.

When is it ever not?

 

[Zathalus]

nonsense. go take a look and compare steam reviews and psn reviews.

Game just run worse on PC , its a fact. PCMR just love to talk shit about console when a game runs worse on theirs because they have too much ego

It's not nonsense, the people complaining are those with 8GB graphics cards. If you use a 12GB or 16GB GPU the game runs just as well or better than the console version. You can get 70fps+ at PS5 Pro settings with a 9060XT. Or if you enable FSR4 and frame generation you can clear 100fps easy.

Roughly half of steam has a PC slower than a base PS5 (more with less than 12GB), considering how low the resolution drops on the PS5 and it is no wonder so many complain about performance. The game looks terrible for the performance it requires, and that's on all platforms.

So yes, if you have a 7 year old 2080 the game will run worse on your PC vs a PS5. But thankfully you can buy a $350 card these days that will run it better than the PS5 Pro. It's almost like upgrading your PC is a thing PC gamers do.

 

[StereoVsn]

Maybe to you bro, but path tracing can be a near generational difference(there are underwhelming cases like doom dark ages), playing Indiana Jones is a whole different experience it goes from ugly to sexy and I would easily play it at 60-80fps with framegen on to enhance that than play the ugly shit at 140+fps. As soon as the path tracing mode came on for cyber punk people with 3090 and above were turning that shit on, I don't think anyone in the 4xxx gen 4070ti and above turned it off. Dlss made playing these games with PT a very real possibility. With transformer even dlss performance has impressive image quality.

To me Cyberpunk with RT Ultra plays a lot smoother vs Path Tracing. I am not a fan of framegen because of the artifacts in motion.

And Indy looks more than fine with regular RT. Once again here I will easily take 100+ fps vs path tracing, frame gen with its artifacts at lower fake FPS.

I do play with DLSS set to Quality almost all the time. No reason not to.

 

[Gameplay Gods Bless]

yeah if I am going to guess, that 50$ more is tariffs ..

Tariffs don't affect GPUs.

 

[Astray]

They are, but Nvidia isn't exactly pulling an Intel. They're actually still trying lol

Yep, they never really took their foot off AMD's neck, they just put the other foot on the consumers' neck while maintaining their tech leadership.