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[alabtrosMyster]

You always hear that just like you always hear about them having an NVIDIA killer coming up.

We haad to wait until the iPhone to finally get an iPod killer.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

We are just believing this completely outlandish claim? Based on what exactly?

Pretty sure some quick check through bestseller lists in multiple online shops will tell quite a different story...

 

[BennyBlanco]

AMD is the Xbox of the GPU market. Good hardware and nobody cares.

 

[StereoVsn]

We are just believing this completely outlandish claim? Based on what exactly?

Pretty sure some quick check through bestseller lists in multiple online shops will tell quite a different story...

If you look at vast majority of pre-builds and all laptop GPUs, it's all Nvidia.

People actually buying GPUs separately isn't the majority of the market.

 

[64gigabyteram]

having superior AI performance in an era of AI will do that to a gpu brand. AMD can improve FSR4 and raytracing all they want (which they have) but the real money is in the datacenters where Nvidia stays king

.... That bubble's gotta pop any day now.

 

[Stuart360]

AMD for cpu's, Nvidia for gpu's.

Thats the way to go imo.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

If you look at vast majority of pre-builds and all laptop GPUs, it's all Nvidia.

People actually buying GPUs separately isn't the majority of the market.

These numbers are complete horseshit, again, check for yourself, pick a handful of big retailers and look at the best sellers list. Of course Nvidia has bigger market share, but in no reality these numbers are correct. Even the Steam survey which is skewed towards Nvidia over-representation due to net cafes in China and such, has AMD comfortably with double digits market share.

Let's just be a bit more critical before trusting such outlandish claims.

 

[64gigabyteram]

These numbers are complete horseshit, again, check for yourself, pick a handful of big retailers and look at the best sellers list. Of course Nvidia has bigger market share, but in no reality these numbers are correct. Even the Steam survey which is skewed towards Nvidia over-representation due to net cafes in China and such, has AMD comfortably with double digits market share.

Let's just be a bit more critical before trusting such outlandish claims.

Gaming is a rounding error in regards to the marketshare on this chart. The reason Nvidia marketshare is jumping isn't because of gaming revenue or sales from retailers. It's because of datacenters. A good chunk of that jump in marketshare is purely because of B2B sales where businesses buy giant fucking stocks of them to generate anime AI porn, drain the planet of water, and steal voice actors' sonic likenesses.

Gaming is not the reason Nvidia is succeeding this much.

 

[StereoVsn]

These numbers are complete horseshit, again, check for yourself, pick a handful of big retailers and look at the best sellers list. Of course Nvidia has bigger market share, but in no reality these numbers are correct. Even the Steam survey which is skewed towards Nvidia over-representation due to net cafes in China and such, has AMD comfortably with double digits market share.

Let's just be a bit more critical before trusting such outlandish claims.

Again, look at the big pre-build vendors, HP, Dell, Lenovo. They don't have many models (if any) with AMD RDNA 4 cards and there are NO mobile discrete AMD RDNA GPUs.

I don't know how accurate 94% is, but pre-builds and laptops make up the biggest share of the market.

 

[Gaiff]

These numbers are complete horseshit, again, check for yourself, pick a handful of big retailers and look at the best sellers list. Of course Nvidia has bigger market share, but in no reality these numbers are correct. Even the Steam survey which is skewed towards Nvidia over-representation due to net cafes in China and such, has AMD comfortably with double digits market share.

Let's just be a bit more critical before trusting such outlandish claims.

John Peddie Research have been the primary provider of those numbers for years and give the most up to date and accurate info and they have access to data no one else does. They're used by channels like Gamers Nexus among others. GN has also commented on this.

They're as legit as legit gets. They're not some random firm.

 

[Tobimacoss]

Again, look at the big pre-build vendors, HP, Dell, Lenovo. They don't have many models (if any) with AMD RDNA 4 cards and there are NO mobile discrete AMD RDNA GPUs.

I don't know how accurate 94% is, but pre-builds and laptops make up the biggest share of the market.

And AMD is going to fix that situation with Magnus, and the rest of the Xbox platforms.

They basically skipped RDNA4 mobile because they want to go big with RDNA5.

 

[BennyBlanco]

having superior AI performance in an era of AI will do that to a gpu brand. AMD can improve FSR4 and raytracing all they want (which they have) but the real money is in the datacenters where Nvidia stays king

.... That bubble's gotta pop any day now.

And even at consumer level I don't think things like wan 2.2 even work on AMD hardware.

 

[64gigabyteram]

And even at consumer level I don't think things like wan 2.2 even work on AMD hardware.

If you purposely buy anything Radeon you are not going to dabble in anything ML or AI related with that card since the performance is so terrible its basically irrelevant anyways. Local AI, image gen, whatever the fuck, its not going to work there. Might as well give it up.

To anyone who actually cares about local AI generation any tax or additional cost Nvidia puts on their hardware is basically nothing since no other GPU can do what Geforce does when it comes to ML and AI.

 

[Buggy Loop]

In the DIY segment, AMD was doing well, very competitive with nvidia sales

Is this the usual German AMD store that keeps /r/AMD on hopium for the last decade?

It's not even in the steam hardware survey after 6 months. How would DIY segment not show up on gaming focus surveys like steam? Almost all of Blackwell are on it

 

[StereoVsn]

If you purposely buy anything Radeon you are not going to dabble in anything ML or AI related with that card since the performance is so terrible its basically irrelevant anyways. Local AI, image gen, whatever the fuck, its not going to work there. Might as well give it up.

To anyone who actually cares about local AI generation any tax or additional cost Nvidia puts on their hardware is basically nothing since no other GPU can do what Geforce does when it comes to ML and AI.

To be fair, local model performance has been improving with AMD, but it's not at Nvidia or even MAC level.

But yeah, if you want to mess with local models, Nvidia is the way to go.

 

[T-Cake]

Hell will freeze over before I buy another nVidia GPU. It's shit for Linux.

 

[PaintTinJr]

I'm really surprised neither Intel or AMD have spotted the low risk grass roots option for discrete graphics by either acquiring Raspberry Pi or partnering with Raspberry PI and making AI hats with 25-40 TOPs for the system to allow for FSR4/XeSS and distributed ML AI across arrays of RPIs, or doing a entry discrete GPU hat - all adopting opensource initiatives just for the RPI solutions, but still using their desktop API solutions on top.

500k Intel or AMD hats/GPU hats costing £75 each would move the needle and public view IMO.

 

[lh032]

nice, so means that nvidia gpu is going to get even more expensive in the future.PCMR is going to get that VVIP treatment they wish for.

 

[64gigabyteram]

To be fair, local model performance has been improving with AMD

I doubt it'll ever reach Nvidia levels and honestly I'm hoping on that. Nvidia can keep their dominance on that soulless datacenter AI shit. It hasn't even been mainstream for 3 years and already consumers are fucking tired of it- but since businesses and shareholders like it we're gonna keep being gaslit into thinking it's the new cool tech thing for the next 15+ years

 

[demigod]

Huh, I thought AMD was supposed to be on the upswing?

Idiots and their fake msrp. Should've stuck with $599.

 

[BennyBlanco]

nice, so means that nvidia gpu is going to get even more expensive in the future.PCMR is going to be very happy for the VIP treatment here.

And Sony / AMD will still be playing catch up with Nvidia like they have for years and years. Can't wait to see Cerny sauce frame gen get hyped up on here then come out 5 steps behind Nvidia like PSSR.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Huh interesting I always thought they had like 15/20%. Can they even make money am with 6% share?

 

[joeygreco1985]

DLSS4 is too good, Nvidia has my business. FSR just isn't nearly as good

 

[ReBurn]

The technology is viable, but the usage is very questionable, and the running costs are well... insane. Investors are selling AI as the next revolution like the Internet but the biggest potential seems to be as crack for lonely people and internet memes. Generative AI is likely not going to be transformative as people think but it certainly came to stay. The next biggest revolution will be robotics in maybe 25-30 years.



It actually can, depends on a couple factors.

Didn't actually spend an hour to read the actual study, did you? That MIT study was a terrible study. It was more an advertisement to steer attention toward their NANDA initiative than a true evaluation of the success of AI in the enterprise. They intentionally solicited participants who had troubled implementations and they only interviewed about 50 of the 150 leaders they surveyed.

It is impossible to infer what that attention grabbing headline is inferring from a sample size that small.

What the article doesn't mention, but the survey does, is that underground adoption and use of AI tools by employees using personal subscriptions to help perform their work is accelerating. So there is a market for the technology, just not the way about 150 or so companies surveyed tried to do it. The study finds that there's more business utility in a $20 per month subscription than expensive enterprise AI tools. In no way does the study infer that AI is failing and that a bubble is about to burst.

MIT draws the conclusion that AI adoption is going to continue to grow, but the direction it is going to take is a decentralized "agentic AI internet" model. Which just so happens to be what NANDA is all about. Funny how things turn out that way.

 

[xenosys]

It always amuses me every time there's an RDNA launch and AMD fanboys wet themselves because this might finally be the generation where the green side are overthrown, only for Nvidia to keep pulling further and further away.

 

[twilo99]

AMD really needs to get their shit together and win over the gaming market

That is as likely as Xbox winning the console market

 

[SABRE220]

I mean, I'm not surprised. AMD essentially has no ambition to gain market share. When they rarely push out products that are actually competitive on some level, like RDNA4, which gives them opportunities to gain market share, they instead of pricing aggressively adopt the same money-gouging practices of Nvidia and price their products $50 below the comparable Nvidia card. AMD has no ambition of actually competing with NVIDIA; they are happy feeding off NVIDIA's table scraps. They will claim they are trying, but in practical terms, their prices are hugely inflated on the market, and they push out supply so limited that the number of cards sold will amount to nothing. Wors still for all thir xprtis and skill in dlivring grat apus thr hav dlivrd almost nothing in the notebook market. The potential for cut down PS5 APUs was amazing, and yt again, braindad decisions leave us with nothing with ML for mobility-focused devices until next gn.

It doesn't help that AMD keeps understating the impact of the high-tier and halo cards on influencing the customers' perception of their brand and product image. If you never make any high-end premium products, your brand will always be associated with the other inferior option. Thr B grade brand, meaning potential for smaller margins etc. Also, they still play down or ignore the best graphics techniques available. It was the same with raytracing in previous architectures with RDNA two and 3, where raytracing was downplayed as unimportant, and the same for pathtracing for RDNA4. When consumers spend over $500 on a gpu they do not spend it to play high settings with the elite graphics tech turnd off at 100+fps(outside multiplayer titles but elite players deliberately turn down fidelity settings like grass density etc in those games so even 4060 can run them at high framerates) , they want to be able to play with the best graphics tech turned on even if it's not at 4k res.

 

[Gaiff]

That is as likely as Xbox winning the console market

Probably even less likely.

 

[ZehDon]

NVidia are just that far ahead in terms of their product, frankly. If you want ray tracing or AI upscaling - which is mandatory for modern titles on PC at this point - then you can't buy AMD. They need to catch up to these core offerings from NVidia, who've given them plenty of time, frankly.

 

[StereoVsn]

NVidia are just that far ahead in terms of their product, frankly. If you want ray tracing or AI upscaling - which is mandatory for modern titles on PC at this point - then you can't buy AMD. They need to catch up to these core offerings from NVidia, who've given them plenty of time, frankly.

Eh, 9070XT is on par with 5070Ti and mostly cheaper by $100+. It's a good card.

 

[lh032]

And Sony / AMD will still be playing catch up with Nvidia like they have for years and years. Can't wait to see Cerny sauce frame gen get hyped up on here then come out 5 steps behind Nvidia like PSSR.

still cant run mh wilds properly keklol

 

[Grildon Tundy]

Friendly reminder that the CEO of NVIDIA and the CEO of AMD are cousins (once removed):

Are AMD CEO Lisa Su and Nvidia’s Jensen Huang Related?

Lisa Su and Jensen Huang are both first-generation Americans from Taiwan. Turns out they are also related.

observer.com

Seems like having a single family helming the two biggest players in a market would be an opportunity for collusion, but they say they never met until recently.

 

[Gaiff]

Eh, 9070XT is on par with 5070Ti and mostly cheaper by $100+. It's a good card.

It's cheaper by $50. The 5070 Ti can be found at its $750 MSRP and the cheapest 9070 XT is $700, $100 above its advertised MSRP.

 

[Buggy Loop]

John Peddie Research have been the primary provider of those numbers for years and give the most up to date and accurate info and they have access to data no one else does. They're used by channels like Gamers Nexus among others. GN has also commented on this.

They're as legit as legit gets. They're not some random firm.

hAve YOu dONe yOru rEseArCH? lOoK iT YP!

 

[Draugoth]

Didn't actually spend an hour to read the actual study, did you? That MIT study was a terrible study. It was more an advertisement to steer attention toward their NANDA initiative than a true evaluation of the success of AI in the enterprise. They intentionally solicited participants who had troubled implementations and they only interviewed about 50 of the 150 leaders they surveyed.

It is impossible to infer what that attention grabbing headline is inferring from a sample size that small.

What the article doesn't mention, but the survey does, is that underground adoption and use of AI tools by employees using personal subscriptions to help perform their work is accelerating. So there is a market for the technology, just not the way about 150 or so companies surveyed tried to do it. The study finds that there's more business utility in a $20 per month subscription than expensive enterprise AI tools. In no way does the study infer that AI is failing and that a bubble is about to burst.

MIT draws the conclusion that AI adoption is going to continue to grow, but the direction it is going to take is a decentralized "agentic AI internet" model. Which just so happens to be what NANDA is all about. Funny how things turn out that way.

Still, there are too many Generative AI models,

Even if we see mass AI adoption (which somewhat already happened, it's an app anyone can download) they are not going to cost $20 a month forever unless OpenAI starts filling each prompt with 60 second long ads.

These models are all being paid by government and investors throwing money hoping more computing power leads to AGI.

 

[MikeM]

RDNA4 products are good. However, they put on a facade when they claimed that unlike NVIDIA, they had volume and their MSRPs were real. Turns out it was true only for the first batch and by the second round, their products were either out of stock or massively more expensive than announced. This soured a lot of people and their lack of volume effectively stopped them from gaining any market share.

Patiently waiting for Redstone.

Steam hardware survey is about 17.5% AMD GPUs.

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

I think with Magnus, AMD's goal is to take over the pre built PC market, including gaming laptops.

I wonder how the future Xbox is going to show on Steam surveys. That will be interesting to compare console to PC GPU population.

 

[Mister Wolf]

If AMD can make a high end GPU that matches the best future 6000 series GPU in raster performance i will consider them. FSR4 is solid. The games made with engines that have built in RTGI do not lean so heavily in Nvidia's favor. Pathtracing is unnecessary to me.

 

[Kerotan]

Remember everyone saying they were boycotting Nvidia?

I am. I bought a PS5 Pro.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Huh, I thought AMD was supposed to be on the upswing?

Sure if you believe Average Redditors

This is why I never believe Average Redditors about anything

We are just believing this completely outlandish claim? Based on what exactly?

Pretty sure some quick check through bestseller lists in multiple online shops will tell quite a different story...

r/AMD is so hilarious about this behavior, I laugh every time

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Friendly reminder that the CEO of NVIDIA and the CEO of AMD are cousins (once removed):

Are AMD CEO Lisa Su and Nvidia’s Jensen Huang Related?

Lisa Su and Jensen Huang are both first-generation Americans from Taiwan. Turns out they are also related.

observer.com

Seems like having a single family helming the two biggest players in a market would be an opportunity for collusion, but they say they never met until recently.

Jensen grew up in America, Lisa in Taiwan. Their families were never that close

I believe them 100% when they say they had never even met until when they were both CEO's and encountered each other during business interactions

 

[Sophist]

I think the hope we had for intel has faded now. With their current issues, new GPUs are probably all but dead.

Intel just hired the people behind the Linux open source driver for Apple M1 to work on Arc drivers.

 

[ZehDon]

Eh, 9070XT is on par with 5070Ti and mostly cheaper by $100+. It's a good card.

How's DLSS perform on it? Therein lies the problem.

 

[Gaiff]

How's DLSS perform on it? Therein lies the problem.

FSR4 is solid.

 

[Sophist]

gpu vendor statistics for steam users are

Other	0.36%
Intel	7.44%
AMD	17.32%
NVIDIA	74.88%

AMD +2% since last year.

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

 

[YCoCg]

Nvidia: ...So you're saying we can increase the prices again?

 

[Liopleurodon]

Huh, I thought AMD was supposed to be on the upswing?

Everyone says that AMD offers much more value for the same amount of money, but the real truth is, most people don't care about that - they only buy what gives better graphics, and more fps.

 

[TwinB242]

Im no expert on this subject, but I recently bought a 9070XT (first AMD card in over a decade) and news like this always concerns me. I don't want to be in a position where the newest games don't take advantage of the card's features and capabilities because devs aren't willing to invest in people who only make up 6% of the market.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Does AMD have a equivalent to Reflex thats gets shipped in many games. Does it ger turned on as an invisible setting when using AMD's Frame Gen?

 

[Gaiff]

Does AMD have a equivalent to Reflex thats gets shipped in many games. Does it ger turned on as an invisible setting when using AMD's Frame Gen?

Anti-Lag. Its usage doesn't seem as widespread though. I practically never hear about it.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Anti-Lag. Its usage doesn't seem as widespread though. I practically never hear about it.

Thats really bad. I wouldn't want to use Frame Gen of any sort without something to mitigate the latency.