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Is there a way to market gay marriage to black people better?

Can we get Tyler Perry in on this?

Seriously though, tough situation. It's easy to forget there are people out there who aren't strict ticket voters, towing the same line their party of choice supports. Most of the people I know oppose gay marriage; didn't know it was a black issue.

 

[The Incarnation]

I don't see how any black person can vote against gay marriage and still consider themselves morally right without employing some serious cognitive dissonance.

I would think it would be the duty of people who went through oppression to vote for it if they're going to vote at all.

Not if they're being demonized they won't, and you can be sure as hell that a people who feel like they're aren't being treated equally, and are still being discriminated against won't be so liberal in their views.

If it comes down to it's all black people's fault, they'd probably vote no out of spite anyway.

Doesn't matter where a black person goes on the internet, but they will still see racial abuse against them and they don't even have to look hard. Bitterness only lives in a person in a world that is bitter towards them, so don't expect them to burst out in liberalism.

Whites are more accepting of homosexuality simply because the world is more accepting towards whites, so whites by and large grow up thinking that it's right to be accepting of ALL people.

Blacks as a majority may develop that attitude, perhaps the day they can use the internet and not see threads and comments about THEM, and are in fact accepted themselves. Because when a person feels positive about themselves they will in time be positive towards ALL other people.


Regardless allowing democracy to solve such issues isn't the best way to go about things.

 

[Prax]

There are no blacks that are gay?

There are. I think they are just a lot less visible.
I was just making generalizations and "wildly uneducated guesses" as I said about "why" this phenomenon of formerly-very-oppressed-minority-groups-now-with-rights don't seem to want support currently-oppressed-minority-groups for their rights. Simplified without Venn-diagrams!
That was my explanation I could come up with if I removed religious influence. lol
I think religious dogma/cultural tradition plays a huge role and is probably the real factor.

Where the fuck are you guys coming up with this shit? I mean Jesus Christ did you and a bunch of you white friends sit around and come up with this explanation?

1) Black people don't have a fear of being drug back into "the fray." We're still in it. On an almost weekly basis there's articles and reports of discrimination towards black people in America still being done by police, banks, etc. The latest one I remember was the NYPD admitting to routinely planting drugs on black people just to lock them up to meet quota.

2) I've never met a black person who felt they were "done with the struggle." You ask the average black person if he feels he's on equal footing with white people in this country he'll tell you hell no. Every black kid grew up hearing from their parents, grandparents, aunts/uncles, teacher, someone telling them they have to work twice as hard just to get half as far.

Pro-tip: don't make up shit about a group you're not a part of thinks.

Well.... Didn't mean to offend you so badly, as I did preface that it was wildly uneducated and me guessing at causes if religious influence were not taken into account. *shrug*
It was obviously mental gymnastics to even come up with those explanations.

But let me just comment on what you bring up:
1) I think I meant "dragged backwards and further into it where they have to fight for basic marriage rights again". That sort of thing (again, mental gymnastics). I know blacks still struggle with lots of discrimination. I was more alluding to how some might be tired of fighting all the time for themselves, let alone trying to do it for other.

2) Similar, I meant "done with fighting for basic recognition of marriages outside of own race". Don't need to fight for it anymore, so... don't need to bother for others? Again, let me remind you that is mental gymnastics to come up with explanations that don't deal with religious influence, ignorance, or plain self-centeredness (and this is directed to any ONE group, works for any group).


They are not real explanations. I don't actually believe that's what is going through most of people's minds when they dismiss or fight against rights for others.
I just said it doesn't make sense unless religion was the big focus of the problem. (And other cultural definitions of sexual orientation and what it means, things about gender and power etc etc--more nuance and complication!!).

So I'm sorry if my "explanations" were very uninformed and caused offense to anyone. It's obviously meant to sound really stupid, because as I said, "I otherwise don't get it".