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NYTimes: Peter Thiel - The Online Privacy Debate Won’t End With Gawker

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CDX

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/o...privacy-debate-wont-end-with-gawker.html?_r=1
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As an internet entrepreneur myself, I feel partly responsible for a world in which private information can be instantly broadcast to the whole planet. I also know what it feels like to have one’s own privacy violated. In 2007, I was outed by the online gossip blog Gawker. It wasn’t so many years ago, but it was a different time: Gay men had to navigate a world that wasn’t always welcoming, and often faced difficult choices about how to live safely and with dignity. In my case, Gawker decided to make those choices for me. I had begun coming out to people I knew, and I planned to continue on my own terms. Instead, Gawker violated my privacy and cashed in on it.

It didn’t feel good, but I knew it could have been much worse. What I experienced would be minor in comparison with the cruelties that could be inflicted by someone willing to exploit the internet without moral limits.

As the competition for attention was rewarding ever more exploitation, Gawker was leading the way. The site routinely published thinly sourced, nasty articles that attacked and mocked people. Most of the victims didn’t fight back; Gawker could unleash both negative stories and well-funded lawyers. Since cruelty and recklessness were intrinsic parts of Gawker’s business model, it seemed only a matter of time before they would try to pretend that journalism justified the very worst.

[...]

A story that violates privacy and serves no public interest should never be published.

The defense of privacy in the digital age is an ongoing cause. As for Gawker, whatever good work it did will continue in the future, and suggesting otherwise would be an insult to its writers and to readers. It is ridiculous to claim that journalism requires indiscriminate access to private people’s sex lives.

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The United States House of Representatives is considering the Intimate Privacy Protection Act, a bipartisan bill that would make it illegal to distribute explicit private images, sometimes called revenge porn, without the consent of the people involved. Nicknamed the Gawker Bill, it would also provide criminal consequences for third parties who sought to profit from such material.

This is a step in the right direction. Protecting individual dignity online is a long-term project, and it will require many delicate judgments. We can begin on solid ground by acknowledging that it is wrong to expose people’s most intimate moments for no good reason. That is the kind of clear moral line that Gawker and publishers like it have sought to blur. But they can’t do it if we don’t let them.


For now, I'll put aside Peter Thiel's other politics that I may not agree with. But it seems I can agree with his support of the IPPA.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimate_Privacy_Protection_Act
The Intimate Privacy Protection Act (IPPA) is a proposed amendment to Title 18 of the United States Code that would criminalize revenge porn. Introduced by Representative Jackie Speier in 2016, the bill will "provide that it is unlawful to knowingly distribute a private, visual depiction of a person’s intimate parts or of a person engaging in sexually explicit conduct, with reckless disregard for the person's lack of consent to the distribution, and for other purposes."
I wasn't aware of the IPPA before, but if it's exactly what it says it is, I fully support it.
 

wenis

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Let's wait and see what kind of riders get attached to that IPPA for it to not pass.
 
I love that it's named the Gawker bill as if they are the biggest offenders and that Hogan was the biggest victim and not you know the countless of women who didn't get massive settlements and whose lives were actually seriously impacted by the Revenge Porn sites which basically no one but California was willing to do anything about.
 
I love that it's named the Gawker bill as if they are the biggest offenders and that Hogan was the biggest victim and not you know the countless of women who didn't get massive settlements and whose lives were actually seriously impacted by the Revenge Porn sites which basically no one but California was willing to do anything about.

It's not named or nick-named the "Gawker bill" by anyone but Thiel, in his opinion piece.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...ls-self-serving-new-york-times-column/496133/
 

platocplx

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Does this law explicitly state that this is based soley for adults who have constented in those private actions? and does not include acts that are reported on based on children etc?
I love that it's named the Gawker bill as if they are the biggest offenders and that Hogan was the biggest victim and not you know the countless of women who didn't get massive settlements and whose lives were actually seriously impacted by the Revenge Porn sites which basically no one but California was willing to do anything about.

People sadly only act when shit hits theie front door. Its bullshit and i agree. There wouldn't be anything like this if it didn't happen to prominent males. Lets not also forget the so called "fappening" at least the guy went to jail for it.
 
The funniest thing about laws making revenge porn illegal is that revenge porn is already illegal. US Code 2257 basically states that if you're hosting sexually explicit images of anyone, you have to have proof (as in forms of ID proof) that the person is over 18. Most instances of revenge porn don't have that at all (even if the pictures were completely consensual when taken). Anyone hosting revenge porn was already breaking the law, and I guess the only thing this does is make it easier to go after the first person that spread the picture.
 
From the Atlantic article

The Intimate Privacy Protection Act, introduced by Rep. Jackie Speier, a California Democrat, would make it illegal to distribute a private, visual depiction of a person’s “intimate parts” or of a person engaging in sexually explicit conduct, without that person’s consent.

“Nicknamed the Gawker Bill, it would also provide criminal consequences for third parties who sought to profit from such material,” Thiel wrote. Except it’s not really nicknamed “the Gawker Bill,” according to Speier’s office.

“That is 100 percent not a thing,” her chief of staff, Josh Connolly, told me. “And it’s really self-serving, I think, on his part, to try to conflate our bill with their very specific case that has all sorts of loaded issues associated with it.”

The bill’s intent was to provide a level of protection for individuals—with non-famous, non-wealthy people in mind, he told me. A typical example might be a woman whose ex-boyfriend uploads to the Internet nude photos of her, without her consent. “This [legislation] was in no way crafted in response to, or to address the Gawker case,” Connolly said.

Speier said in a statment provided by her office that the bill is meant to “address a range of privacy violations that have had devastating impacts on the lives and livelihoods of countless victims, from residents in assisted living centers to patients seeking confidential medical care to individuals involved in bitter breakups.”

“It is not ‘the Gawker bill,’” she added.

In an age where anyone can be a publisher, government regulation of what might be deemed “news” is thorny, and yet, Speier specifically intended to grant the press an exemption. The law would not apply to cases in which disclosing such imagery is in “the bona fide public interest,” according to the language of the bill. “Our congressional intent is that it really should carve out [an exception] for any sort of legitimate conduct by the press,” Connolly said.

Legitimacy, of course, is a standard that is sometimes decided by the courts. That’s what happened to Gawker, and the outcome of that case may be the start of what Lemann calls a “protracted war” against journalists at a time when the press is “far more vulnerable, economically and culturally, than it used to be.”

Thiel, apparently without irony, claims that he wages this battle for the good of the press. (His tactics, a former lawyer for The Wall Street Journal wrote in June, “in fact resemble nothing so much as the legal maneuvers white racists used to threaten the Northern press with ruin if it continued to cover the violent official response to efforts to desegregate the South in the 1950s and ’60s.”)

“The press is too important to let its role be undermined by those who would search for clicks at the cost of the profession’s reputation,” Thiel wrote for the Times this week. What he seems not to understand is that freedom of the press means that editorial decisions are made in newsrooms, not by venture capitalists or presidential candidates hellbent on revenge. Thiel could have “fought speech with speech,” instead of with $10 million, Marcus Wohlsen wrote for Wired in June. “In seeking to destroy Gawker, Thiel showed that what matters to him isn’t freedom but the raw exercise of power.”

And in writing for the Times this week, Thiel showed that he’s not as concerned with protecting privacy as he is with serving up a narrative that he believes justifies his actions.

He's not being up and up here at all.
 

Cat Party

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Fuck Peter Thiel and his phony crusade.

Banning revenge porn is good and important. Peter Thiel doesn't care about revenge porn. He wants to make sure that he and his techno-libertarian buddies don't have anyone watching them.

EDIT: And thanks for posting that Atlantic article, as I suspected the bill would not have come into play in the Hogan case anyway.
 
Fuck Peter Thiel and his phony crusade.

Banning revenge porn is good and important. Peter Thiel doesn't care about revenge porn. He wants to make sure that he and his techno-libertarian buddies don't have anyone watching them.

EDIT: And thanks for posting that Atlantic article, as I suspected the bill would not have come into play in the Hogan case anyway.

Bingo.

The lawyer in the Hogan case is also the lawyer for 3 or 4 other lawsuits against gawker right now, one of which is him defending the guy who lied about creating email
 

platocplx

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Just want to re-iterate this point about Thiel which continues to make me confused about how people can support him in this:

Remember, too, Lemann says, that Thiel is backing Donald Trump in the presidential campaign—the same Donald Trump who trumpeted his plan to “open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...ls-self-serving-new-york-times-column/496133/
 

TheYanger

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Just want to re-iterate this point about Thiel which continues to make me confused about how people can support him in this:



http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...ls-self-serving-new-york-times-column/496133/

Because supporting a law that makes sense and is good doesn't actively support anything else the guy might be doing?

Acting like we shouldn't support this is literally asking people to cut off the nose to spite the face.

Like, if Trump somehow proposed a law that was amazing and good, and didn't require us to vote him into presidency or anything at all like that, you would be a fool to oppose it solely because it's Trump behind it.
 
Because supporting a law that makes sense and is good doesn't actively support anything else the guy might be doing?

Acting like we shouldn't support this is literally asking people to cut off the nose to spite the face.

Like, if Trump somehow proposed a law that was amazing and good, and didn't require us to vote him into presidency or anything at all like that, you would be a fool to oppose it solely because it's Trump behind it.

He's not endorsing the actual law at all...
 
Because supporting a law that makes sense and is good doesn't actively support anything else the guy might be doing?

Acting like we shouldn't support this is literally asking people to cut off the nose to spite the face.

I'm not saying to not support the proposed bill, I'm saying I don't understand how people defend Thiel's actions when he actively supports a guy who wants to change libel laws.

And Thiel is trying to re-brand the law for his own self worth. Which The Atlantic article I linked to calls out.
 

wildfire

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Just want to re-iterate this point about Thiel which continues to make me confused about how people can support him in this:



http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...ls-self-serving-new-york-times-column/496133/



Well that crystalizes how much he is a two faced asshole he is. Of one of the things I would be certain of with a Trump presidency it would be the near dismantling of protections news agencies have even if they don't deserve it (like Fox News for most of their misleading content). Having a thin skinned narcissist like Trump in the position to put pressure on how our First Amendment rights can be exercised is unwise.
 
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