Obama: Hillary Clinton would make an "excellent" President

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chadskin said:
That's part of the game in the US. During the presidency, the opposing party and their supporters say very vocally he (and, possibly, soon she) is the worst president ever. Then, at the end of the mostly two terms, the president does a few good things to try to go out of his presidency on a high note and leave a good legacy behind and in 10-15 years everyone will tell stories about how Obama was the best president ever and Bush jr. jr. is now destroying America, the world, the moon and Alf.
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2000:
How does Bill Clinton rank in history? In a survey published on November 16, 2000, in the Wall Street Journal, presidential scholars differed widely in assessing his contributions as president. Surveyed in October before the election, 78 scholars in history, politics, and law rank Bill Clinton 24th among the 39 presidents who served more than a few months. For presidents serving two full terms, only Ulysses Grant ranks below Clinton.
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2015:
Kurt Angle said:
guy grew up poor, didnt let go of his roots

thats why he was the greatest president in history
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Case closed ;p
 
davepoobond said:
http://presidentelect.org/art_preztoveep.html


No one can be a Vice President that is not eligible for being a president. It's like saying a foreign-born non-citizen can be a Vice President and that is not true either because they are not qualified to be president.
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I read the article, it accepts that a technical reading of the relevant amendments says that my argument is technically and textually correct, and then gives 3 reasons why that might not pass with the Supreme Court.

the article said:
In plain english, since the 12th Amendment says anyone eligible to be the president can be the vice president, and since Clinton meets the eligibility requirements in Article II (he's a natural born citizen, he's over 35, and he's been a resident for at least 14 years), and since the 22nd Amendment only says you can't be elected to more than two terms, it is perfectly OK for Clinton to be Gore's VP and then ascend to the presidency if necessary.

There are three reasons why I believe this reasoning wouldn't convince the Supreme Court.
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Letter of the law vs. intent and spirit of the writers is as old as the Constitution itself, which is evident in the Obamacare case currently before the Supreme Court. So basically the situation would play out exactly as I've said it would all along, it could be done and then the Supreme Court would weigh in. There's no certainties how they would rule, it really just depends on whether conservatives or liberals control the court and which party's Presidency is at stake, like Bush v. Gore.
 
Man said:
Non-American here:

Wasn't it assumed Republicans would run away with the presidency a few months back? Now it seems like most think Hillary (unopposed and potentially backed by Obama) is the one to bet on.
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Republicans have no one to match the Clinton name
 
Mr.Swag said:
If her opponent in the general is Cruz or Bush then yea, she won.

I could see Rand Paul having a chance tho
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Best joke of the year.

Man said:
Non-American here:

Wasn't it assumed Republicans would run away with the presidency a few months back? Now it seems like most think Hillary (unopposed and potentially backed by Obama) is the one to bet on.
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No sane person sees the election as anything but Hilary's to lose. The media says otherwise because it gets them viewers (see their behavior in the 2012 election, which Obama never had a chance of losing, for more of this)
 
Azih said:
Man. Www.hillaryis44.org still going at it.
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Jeb Bush has a 50/50 chance of becoming President if he makes it through the primary. He is guaranteed atleast 47% of the vote. He is a credible challenger even if he has to say crazy stuff to get there. Its not like Romney's gaffe made him lose. It was a combination of things. Jeb Bush wont lose just because of his last name as many seem to be implying. The American electorate will be "Bush who?" by November 2016.
 
commedieu said:
Nothing that I said was both parties are the same. Literally said they serve the interests of those that put them in power/lobbies, more than the rest of the citizens. That needs to change, by removing or severely altering campaign contributions. Our government isn't responsible to us anymore.

Acknowledging that we will more than likely, continue our quagmire in the middle east, as well as having a bloated military budget, and supporting israel with 3 billion/year isn't going to change, the middle class will continue to disappear, our problem with weapons in the country, as well as the war on drugs, and corporations will continue to pay a shrinking less taxes than all of us in the thread, militarization of police will continue, to just name a few things, no matter who is in office. As it benefits those that lobby for these. And those groups aren't democratic or republican. They are just barons.

When you need millions to be a serious consideration, its already broken at that point. Hilary is going to win the office. But the office, our government, is no longer doing its intended function. Its taking care of the wealthy, and thats about it.

Considering how we founded this country, "taking the good we can get" is a pathetic reversal. These people are out of control. And it gets worse for Americans every year, as well as whoever we sick our military machine on. We create dozens of enemies with horrible drone accuracy http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147. We ignore the mentally ill that have access to tackleberry style armaments. We do nothing to rehabilitate our criminals. Shit is blatantly obvious, but there is money to be made in crippling our democracy, and it continues. Not just 'herp derp both parties.' We can't run our nation due to infighting and budgeting, yet we can blow 10 billion dollars on failed missle programs, and a trillion on the less than useless f35.

Hilary winning is going to be a great precedent for women around the world. But, thats about all that I'm grateful for. With all of that said, I agree.

She is going to make an excellent president. The GOP has no one.
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Well said.
 
The problem with Republican candidates isn't themselves, its the pieces of human trash they surround themselves with.

Like, Jeb Bush wouldn't really be that bad, but he doesn't come by himself, he comes with the whole bag of crazy that the party throws to him.

I'll take any Democrat any day.
 
120v said:
i don't think so. the only limiting factor would be if you'd already served two terms as a president

i'd be down for biden staying where he is, in all seriousness. though it won't happen and two people that age on top of an administration is kind of risky
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hmm that's interesting
 
I'm a communist and would rather Rand Paul be in office than Hilary. He is likely to be to the left of her on the drug war, NSA, and foreign policy. He's disastrous in other areas, most obviously in economics, but so is Hilary, who loves wall street just as much and would privatize as much as possible.

From a purely long term tactical standpoint it's better for liberals to have a right-wing candidate implementing right-wing ideas than a "liberal" one. This should be the lesson of Obama.

I'm hoping Sanders runs so there can be at least some kind of left opposition in the shit stain that is the democratic party.
 
theyd all be great presidents. they will just end up being puppets to the politics. no president actually does anything they are just figureheads
 
I feel like this group of liberals that think Hillary isn't left enough are a very small minority who might just be very outspoken because they're on the Internet. I don't think the general public finds her to be a DINO (even if she really is).
 
Angry Fork said:
I'm a communist and would rather Rand Paul be in office than Hilary. He is likely to be to the left of her on the drug war, NSA, and foreign policy. He's disastrous in other areas, most obviously in economics, but so is Hilary, who loves wall street just as much and would privatize as much as possible.

From a purely long term tactical standpoint it's better for liberals to have a right-wing candidate implementing right-wing ideas than a "liberal" one. This should be the lesson of Obama.

I'm hoping Sanders runs so there can be at least some kind of left opposition in the shit stain that is the democratic party.
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So, you've gone from batshit insanity, to outright fucking stupidity.

Jesus fuck, AF.

Get your shit together.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
So, you've gone from batshit insanity, to outright fucking stupidity.

Jesus fuck, AF.

Get your shit together.
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What I've said is logical. I don't call the Hilary supporting liberals insane because they're not, I get why they do it. I'm just saying I think they're wrong/misguided.
 
Why do people keep calling Bush sane? Have they completely forgotten Terry Schiavo?

The guy is a religious maniac who abused his office in a truly horrendous manner to scrape together evangelical votes. It was one of the darkest and most unpleasant shows in recent American politics, and Bush was squarely behind it.
 
NeoXChaos said:
Jeb Bush has a 50/50 chance of becoming President if he makes it through the primary. He is guaranteed atleast 47% of the vote. He is a credible challenger even if he has to say crazy stuff to get there. Its not like Romney's gaffe made him lose. It was a combination of things. Jeb Bush wont lose just because of his last name as many seem to be implying. The American electorate will be "Bush who?" by November 2016.
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Presidential elections aren't won by the popular vote.

And the electoral map doesn't favor Republicans, regardless of who that Republican is. The Republican road to the White House has and will continue to get harder and harder for Republicans until they can manage to court a more sizable following outside of white males.

Bush's chances may be better then alternatives but they certainly aren't 50/50.
 
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