Explain this witness for me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHxVNRMEhiU . If this is not a witness brought on by the defense to justify racial profiling then my cognitive abilities must be failing.
Obama: "Trayvon Martin could have been me."
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Epsilon-delta
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Except his own cousin admitted that both sides of the family are openly racist and Zimmerman's own words that these assholes always get away doesn't help your claim.
If you want to talk about logical reasoning, you should know absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because there wasn't evidence in your eyes that Zimmerman didn't profile based on race doesn't mean he didn't profile based on race at all.
Talking about the jurors, two of them were against ZM for manslaughter, one was for 2nd degree murder. Looks like the other jurors broke down one side and called it a day.
Mr.Marston
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Indeed.
Spring-Loaded
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What's your point? The results of this case have indirectly OK'd stalking, profiling and assuming guilt of someone based purely on appearance. That privilege exists for anyone, including racists of all kinds. That's the takeaway from this trial.
You ignore this;
August of 2011, Zimmerman’s calls took on a decidedly different note. He reported:
3 August 2011: “[a] black male last seen wearing a white tank top and black shorts,” who he “believes … is involved in recent [burglaries]“
6 August 2011: “two black males … in their teens”
23 September 2011: yet another “open garage door,” but specifies reason for calling is “neighborhood watch [meeting] last night”
1 October 2011: “two black males … 20 – 30 [years old] in Chevy [possibly] Impala at the gate of the community,” about whom Zimmerman’s concerned because he “does not recognize [the subjects] or [vehicle] and is concerned due to recent burglaries”
29 January 2012: children “running and playing in the street”
2 February 2012: “black male last seen wearing] black leather jacket, black hat, printed PJ pants [who] keeps going to [the same] location”
These are the assholes, that always get away. These are the fucking punks. Its easy to hide behind ignorance, but its doing just that. Zimmerman told people to report any suspicious activity to him, due to blacks breaking into the area recently. He was on the look out for blacks.
If trayvon was white, he wouldn't fit the profile. So that is one of the reasons Zimmerman racially profiled Trayvon. THe other race issues come in with associating trayvon with being a gangster, a criminal, and a violent thug.
Does the fact that Zimmerman had an ongoing issue with black people in his neighborhood change nothing for your opinion based on him using the words asshole/punk, in a vacuum without Zimmerman's history of profiling blacks?
You might have me there, I didn't watch any of the news sites on it, however I did hear a lot about the leanings sites like Fox and MSNBC had towards either side and with all the talk of Zimmerman's recent calls and neighborhood calls there has been much to examine his character too. Obviously directed towards his perceived character, as with Martin and his.
And it kills me that people don't realize this already. We are free to assume guilt of anyone, as we are also allowed to do to them (Zimmerman's assumed racial profiling), we have freedom of speech so we can tell a person to fuck off because we want to, and following - especially one so short lived as to be like this - does not warrant a physical beating by law. It may sound like justice to kick a guy's ass for calling you a name or something but the physical fight initiation is an issue in itself.
mckmas8808
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Presidents don't always push for or talk about things that everyone likes. What is Ari talking about? Bush talked about abortion in a way that half the country disagreed with. Was that a problem in Ari's mind?
Devolution
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Zimmerman gets all of the excuses in the world despite his previous violence and track record.
Trayvon got none.
Wonderful world we live in.
Trayvon got none.
Wonderful world we live in.
Angry Fork
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I understand that's the case, but it's not okay when liberals excuse him for being weak on the other issues and don't put pressure on him. Nothing gets done or changed without that pressure. They say talking about the drug war would give too much ammo to the right, but talking about Trayvon doesn't? Is this about ethics or political points?
If liberals would recognize and accept that he's a 2 headed snake, and push back accordingly, I'd have no problem with them. There's nothing wrong with Obama talking about this, it's a good thing. But he should talk just as emphatically about a LOT more that affect blacks, hispanics, poor people etc., if he was serious about ethical issues (but he isn't).
His support of Ray Kelly is enough to put the final nail in the coffin on him as far as I'm concerned. He does not care about civil rights for minorities by supporting a man that has done everything he can to terrorize them in their schools, parks, even in the buildings they live in.
Back when he was a senator. He also had an opposite opinion on anti-terrorism than modern day Obama.
It's been me, my brother, and my friends. We are racially profiled. So how are you saying that it could not have been him, that he, as a black person, couldn't be profiled? As black people are profiled, in the United states of america?
Very curious to hear your response.
One drop rule.
Actually he'd be the fortieth or so mixed race president.
Angelus Errare
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lol
The Librarian
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Yes, but how does it give traction to his agenda? Traction in what way? If Obama's aim is to gain traction with gun control, then it's to make it easier to pass it, and so I ask again: How would invoking Trayvon Martin make it easier to pass gun control? What's the point of making an issue gain traction if it doesn't make it easier to pass? I'm not seeing it, and it doesn't make much sense, so no, Obama didn't say it to forward his agenda.
I see what you're saying about institutionalized racism and everything else, but he doesn't have to mention that if his main goal here was to say how he felt about the situation.
Why couldn't it have been him?
A more specific question since this is what your post implies: why did it HAVE to be Trayvon Martin?
Because he fucking says he's black. So he's black.
You see this man walking down the street. What does he look like to you?
What does skin tone have to do with the validity of his message, and the fact that it resonates with the black community, who is also compromised of different cultures, but for all intents and purposes, are socially and visually, black.
~Devil Trigger~
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So fucking true.
Fuck it let the country polarize more, quite frankly I'd rather be in conflict with people who view this form of self expression as highly offensive to the point of leading them to hate obama.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
But no one claimed Zimmerman was racist. Even his ex-wife defended him on that one.
No one knows if he profiled strictly on race and whether or not he would have acted differently if there was a string of [enter descriptor here] criminals. This is why making this case some kind of cornerstone for a case against racial profiling is absurd.
And it has nothing to do with their thoughts on whether he racially profiled.
*stands up and applauds*
You know, being a white guy in Detroit I see racism happening daily. Not towards me, but towards black people of the city. Ignoring the politics of the region(whole another topic). Whenever I come in contact with white people who are supposedly not racist they come to me talking about neighborhood issues and start talking about all the black teenagers or as they call them "hooligans" or "riff-raff" who happen to be riding their bicycles or walking in the area. For years now I have been paying attention to who is committing most of the violent and higher profile crimes in our region, and a majority of them has been white. They say that these black teenagers(who maybe 12-14 range at most) are "casing" houses while going through the neighborhood, and I tell them "how can they case houses they are barely old enough to understand costs." Yet it continues, and I always hear about whenever black teenagers/black couples are around in many of the "white" areas and how the neighborhood is, excuse my french, going to shit because minorities are moving in.
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This is sorta my point. People associated with being pretty critical of black people, to the point of demonizing them, demonized Martin while holding Zimmerman aloft as if he were some hero. Everyone else tended to side with Martin, since he was an unarmed child that was killed. The breakdown, for me, in the media of this case was this: If you hated black people, even secretly, you defended Zimmerman. If you really really liked guns, to point where any questioning of a guns use in a situation made you fear that all guns would be taken away (and not, you know, just prompt a conversation on responsible use), then you sided with Zimmerman. All of the passions inflamed in this case for Zimmerman really appeared to come from those camps. (Note that I am not saying that anyone that defended Zimmerman was a racist or a crazy gun nut).
I actually wanted to talk with my husband about this case. When I mentioned that I thought, morally, that Zimmerman was guilty even if the law didn't back me up, he accused me of being a 'bleeding heart liberal who wants to take all the guns away'. THAT is the way this case was treated in the media. And it's disgusting.
Dat man Obama Hussein.
Angelus Errare
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Because he fucking says he's black. So he's black.
You see this man walking down the street. What does he look like to you?
Obviously a Kenyan Muslim takin all our jobs.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=71624461&postcount=555
Your thoughts on zimmerman's black profiling history?
Were you aware of this information?
Because he fucking says he's black. So he's black.
You see this man walking down the street. What does he look like to you?
Looks mixed to me. Would have thought he be Puerto Rican.
Why not? You think Zimmermann wouldn't have stalked a young Obama?
Because he fucking says he's black. So he's black.
You see this man walking down the street. What does he look like to you?
he looks like a black guy raised by a white mom and white grandparents in hawaii
theignoramus
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I respect Obama weighing in on the topic of profiling, as he did during the much less serious Henry Louis Gates incident. With his support for gay marriage, it says the man is self aware and not a coward, on social issues at least. His national security policy and action overseas are another matter entirely, but on this issue, Im proud of the man.
I meant in the eyes of right wing journalists. I'm not saying that no one wished George W. Bush dead.
Good post.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Yes, I was. Again, if there was apparently a string of robbers who were young, black males wearing hoodies then that could explain why he profiled those guys. The question would be: If there were a string of young, [enter race and apparel here] criminals, would his 911 calls be the same, just targeting those descriptors?
Of course not, Zimmerman would have easily determined he was 50% white and left him alone like a lot of people seem to keep reminding us in this thread.
Yeah, i got in a real heated argument last week about how much of a coward he was for not chiming in on this. Its a significant issue for blacks and anyone that could be confused for black in the USA.
Its not significant for non-blacks, for obvious reasons. But I'm happy for this one thing. At least he has some backbone. Doesn't need to pander to anyone to get votes, this is just a sign of decent character.
Drone strikes... well.. thats another issue.
googleplex
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Why should he? What happened to Trayvon was unjust and tragic. Every Blackman in America can empathize.
Fuck anyone that would remain neutral in the face of injustice.
FUCK Them.
lazybones18
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Sure, Obama. Sure
*rolls eyes*
*rolls eyes*
Yeah even if Obama had a hood on he would have used the same psychic powers that he used on Martin to see that he was a gansta wannabe thug who smoked pot and tried to act cool to his peers and totally had it coming.
Epsilon-delta
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Except he has a history of calling 911 of suspicious black males.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-s-history-of-911-calls-a-complete-log.html
It doesn't matter if he would have acted differently if there was a string of white criminals (there are plenty of white criminals btw -- including a burglary suspect in the neighborhood at that time). The point is, suspecting black people are up to no good because a crime was commited by a black person is the definition of racial profiling. The race of a previous criminal, whatever it is, has no bearing on whether someone else of the same race should be considered suspicious. Zimmerman did not think Trayvon was the one who committed those crimes. How do we know? Because Zimmerman knew the guy who commited those crimes; he was already arrested (and released) before GZ shot Trayvon. He lived in the community
Thats racial profiling.
It would be profiling a white person. And He'd be just as guilty of racial profiling as he is with this case.
Do you understand?
Had a weird/ruff conversation with someone today and I'd love some thoughts on it. I live in New Hampshire. Very white state/area. I my self am middle eastern & European. Grew up in brooklyn most of my life. (flatbush & sunset park)
Was speaking to my ex sister in-law. She sometimes makes comments that are racists without actually knowing that they are racist. She has barley had any interaction with anyone black. Most of her views come from tv,movies & music.
Recently a black fellow moved in near my apartment. Dude sticks out obviously. Some people including her initially acted all weird, sometimes threatened, other times just confused, etc.
While we ere talking I asked her about how she acts around my black neighbor. She aware of how she was acting, shes even aware that its based on assumptions based on tv, music, etc. Problem is its out of conditioning and habit. Shes gotten to know the guy and has gotten MUCH better, but its going to take more time for her to adapt.
In these kind of situations I don't really know how to feel. I know her intent is not racist, but because of her perceptions, lack of experience she can come off that way and may even be that way out of genuine ignorance.
Was speaking to my ex sister in-law. She sometimes makes comments that are racists without actually knowing that they are racist. She has barley had any interaction with anyone black. Most of her views come from tv,movies & music.
Recently a black fellow moved in near my apartment. Dude sticks out obviously. Some people including her initially acted all weird, sometimes threatened, other times just confused, etc.
While we ere talking I asked her about how she acts around my black neighbor. She aware of how she was acting, shes even aware that its based on assumptions based on tv, music, etc. Problem is its out of conditioning and habit. Shes gotten to know the guy and has gotten MUCH better, but its going to take more time for her to adapt.
In these kind of situations I don't really know how to feel. I know her intent is not racist, but because of her perceptions, lack of experience she can come off that way and may even be that way out of genuine ignorance.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Except there was a string of robberies by criminals who happened to be young, black males. Would his calls target, for instance, whites if those criminals were young, white males? You don't know and neither do I. This is not the case to pick for a case against racial profiling.
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