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[ryutaro's mama]

And yet, there are still people who challenged Obama's degree and made up rumors that he got bad grades.

Bingo.

 

[Dash27]

Its really tough to imagine Obama on top of anyone beating the crap out of them.

 

[PhoenixDark]

For someone in a position of political authority like the POTUS to comment publicly before a trial has begun or all the facts have come to light is socially irresponsible imo. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with his assessment, he was basically robbing Zimmerman of his constitutionally guaranteed right to a fair trial.

What is this trial you guys keep referring to? The trial is over, Zimmerman is free. I thought Obama's comments were an almost blatant admission that a federal case isn't going to happen.

There might be a civil case/wrongful death but even if that happens, in no way has Obama tampered with anything. There's a reason most reaction to this has been positive: it was a fair and honest look at why many black people are upset. There was no preaching or outrage, it was a president addressing what has become a festering wound in this country.

 

[inm8num2]

You motherfuckers like to dogpile

Instead of playing a victim maybe you should address the questions people have posed to your statements.

 

[Big Baybee]

So Obama was flipping off cameras? Instead of getting his Harvard degree he was doing work? He is not the same, not even by a long shot.

Your username is deez nutz.............you've never flipped the bird while taking a picture?

 

[kehs]

Its really tough to imagine Obama on top of anyone beating the crap out of them.

You didn't see the presidential debates?

 

[Trey]

You motherfuckers like to dogpile

Sometimes you have to take that L.

 

[TheLight]

You motherfuckers like to dogpile

Yep. It strokes their e-gos. Kind of sad.

 

[Deified Data]

It's almost like anything that makes white people uncomfortable is by its very nature controversial.

That's what it comes down to, isn't it? As a society - black, white, rich, poor - we hate looking inwards and running the risk of seeing something we'd rather not see.

 

[Dude Abides]

Yep. It strokes their e-gos. Kind of sad.

Is that like the e-shop?

 

[IdreamofHIME]

The headline quote of "it could have been me 30 year years ago" is real sensationalist shit, but that last quote about asking yourself if it's ambiguous is pretty chilling and nails the point.

 

[heliosRAzi]

The headline quote of "it could have been me 30 year years ago" is real sensationalist shit, but that last quote about asking yourself if it's ambiguous is pretty chilling and nails the point.

How is that sensationalist?

 

[TheLight]

Is that like the e-shop?

Yeah but not as warm and comforting

 

[empty vessel]

Its really tough to imagine Obama on top of anyone beating the crap out of them.

In light of the evidence, it's also tough to imagine Martin doing that.

 

[Scrooged]

In light of the evidence, it's also tough to imagine Martin doing that.

And what evidence is there that Z straight out murdered him in cold blood? There was a trial, and all the evidence showed that it was in self defense. Maybe it was really poor judgement to follow Treyvon in the first place, but that act alone is not illegal.

 

[Dash27]

You didn't see the presidential debates?

I did. And didnt he say his grandmother was afraid of black people?

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother — a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

 

[Aylinato]

And what evidence is there that Z straight out murdered him in cold blood? There was a trial, and all the evidence showed that it was in self defense. Maybe it was really poor judgement to follow Treyvon in the first place, but that act alone is not illegal.

There's not a whole lot of evidence that the victim(Martin) was beating the living shit out of GZ(the murderer).

Broken nose, cuts on head.


Also how does GM explain how he thought TM was trying to wrestle his gun out of his hand if GM claims that he didn't brandish it in the first place.

O, right everyone thinks a child is a thug and a murderer with history of violence is a saint.


The only fact that matters is GM actions lead to a teenagers death and all people want to do is blame the black teenager for...well, being a thug, aka meaning that he was black. Racist undertones everywhere and you guys are ignoring how racist America is towards blacks.

 

[Roger Danish]

And what evidence is there that Z straight out murdered him in cold blood? There was a trial, and all the evidence showed that it was in self defense. Maybe it was really poor judgement to follow Treyvon in the first place, but that act alone is not illegal.

Wrong. The evidence failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense. Burdens of proof, how do they work?

 

[linsivvi]

In light of the evidence, it's also tough to imagine Martin doing that.

But some people will keep spreading lies as if they were the truth, Fox News style, despite being given plenty of evidence to the contrary.

It's like whack a mole. Debunk one poster's misinformation, another one will pop up a page later spreading the exact same lies. It's as if a large number of people are constantly being exposed to a propaganda machine that they religiously believe in.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

My beef? Obama is black, but privileged. I have been racial pro failed.

 

[commedieu]

But some people will keep spreading lies as if they were the truth, Fox News style, despite being given plenty of evidence to the contrary.

It's like whack a mole. Debunk one poster's misinformation, another one will pop up a page later spreading the exact same lies. It's as if a large number of people are constantly being exposed to a propaganda machine that they religiously believe in.

pretty much. trayvon had no dna from Zimmerman on his hands. and rain doesn't wash away blood.


yet people will still say there is evidence he was holding zs mouth, while pummeling him 25+ times into the concrete, and grabbing his gun, which also has none of trayvons dna on it...

this will be ignored.

edit;

Just like the jury ignored it.

 

[Big Baybee]

My beef? Obama is black, but privileged. I have been racial pro failed.

He didn't grow up privileged. He worked hard to be in the position that he is in. A true American success story of a guy that had humble beginnings and went on to become the fucking president.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

My beef? Obama is black, but privileged. I have been racial pro failed.

Obama didn't start out privileged, bro.

What the fuck does being "privileged" have to do with being profiled?

There are countless stories of successful, "privileged" people of color still being profiled, harassed and detained for no reason.

Before being POTUS, Obama's "privilege" means shit when he is still viewed as a Black guy first before anything concerning his "privilege" is even established.

 

[empty vessel]

And what evidence is there that Z straight out murdered him in cold blood? There was a trial, and all the evidence showed that it was in self defense. Maybe it was really poor judgement to follow Treyvon in the first place, but that act alone is not illegal.

All of the evidence did not show it was self-defense. Hardly any of it did. But the burden was on the State to show that it was not self-defense, so what you mean to say is that the jury did not believe the evidence was sufficient to show beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman's use of force was not justified. I would disagree with that assessment personally.

There is no evidence that I'm aware of that shows that Zimmerman murdered Martin "in cold blood." But (1) I didn't claim that; and (2) that wouldn't be necessary for a murder conviction.

 

[PhoenixDark]

My beef? Obama is black, but privileged. I have been racial pro failed.

Obama was privileged when he was living in one of the worst areas of New York after college? He was privileged when walking the streets of Chicago and no one knew he was a Harvard grad? He was privileged in middle school when teachers made racially charged comments about black people in front of him?

The Henry Louis Gates situation highlights what should be obvious to you by now: it doesn't matter who you are, how much money you make, or where you went to school. When you walk into a room, or a store, or down the street you are a black man, and thus a potential threat to some.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Back when I had fade I got pulled over a lot

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Back when I had fade I got pulled over a lot

Now you're just fucking trolling.

Ignoring.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Now you're just fucking trolling.

Ignoring.

Uh no

 

[empty vessel]

The Henry Louis Gates situation highlights what should be obvious to you by now: it doesn't matter who you are, how much money you make, or where you went to school. When you walk into a room, or a store, or down the street you are a black man, and thus a potential threat to some.

I would say most (albeit many will generate some cognitive dissonance between their reactions and anti-racist attitudes).

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

I did not mean to troll my bad

 

[PhoenixDark]

I would say most (albeit many will generate some cognitive dissonance between their reactions and anti-racist attitudes).

I wouldn't disagree with this. It's a deeply ingrained mentality that many have been conditioned by for decades, from parents and authority figures and the media. Whether they realize it or not. As I said yesterday I would not call every white woman who crosses the street instead of walk ahead of me a racist, but I have a general idea of why they do that.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I would say most (albeit many will generate some cognitive dissonance between their reactions and anti-racist attitudes).

I think a lot of the reactions are subconscious to be honest.

A lot of it comes from societal conditioning and that is why people have problems with accused of racist attitudes.

They aren't consciously having these thoughts when they, per se, cross the street or move into the corner of an elevator. For them, it's almost instinct at that point.

I get that but it makes it no easier to take when it happens to you.

All the time.

EDIT: Beaten by PD.

 

[Evolution_1ne]

Its really tough to imagine Obama on top of anyone beating the crap out of them.

I would say the same about Travon

 

[gutter_trash]

if Cable News channels can talk bullshit all day with opinions and pundits to distort news:

I see no problem with the President saying his opinion.

Why should pundits be free to say stupid shit on TV but the President not be allowed to voice an opinion?

 

[empty vessel]

I wouldn't disagree with this. It's a deeply ingrained mentality that many have been conditioned by for decades, from parents and authority figures and the media. Whether they realize it or not. As I said yesterday I would not call every white woman who crosses the street instead of walk ahead of me a racist, but I have a general idea of why they do that.

I think a lot of the reactions are subconscious to be honest.

A lot of it comes from societal conditioning and that is why people have problems with accused of racist attitudes.

They aren't consciously having these thoughts when they, per se, cross the street or move into the corner of an elevator. For them, it's almost instinct at that point.

I get that but it makes it no easier to take when it happens to you.

All the time.

EDIT: Beaten by PD.

The social science research on race is truly fascinating. Many scientists are now exploring the disconnect between attitudes and actions. In other words, attitudes of individuals (racist or anti-racist) are not reliable predictors of how a person might act in ways that produce racist results.

 

[commedieu]

The social science research on race is truly fascinating. Many scientists are now exploring the disconnect between attitudes and actions. In other words, attitudes of individuals (racist or anti-racist) are not reliable predictors of how a person might act in ways that produce racist results.

Funny, was just about to make a thread.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch...-Fight-Racial-Bias-When-Its-Silent-And-Subtle

How To Fight Racial Bias When It's Silent And Subtle

In the popular imagination and in conventional discourse — especially in the context of highly charged news events such as the shooting of Trayvon Martin — prejudice is all about hatred and animosity.

Scientists agree there's little doubt that hate-filled racism is real, but a growing body of social science research suggests that racial disparities and other biased outcomes in the criminal justice system, in medicine and in professional settings can be explained by unconscious attitudes and stereotypes.

-5 minute audio as well.

 

[YoungHav]

I think it's been illuminating. I was shocked how many pieces of crap crawled out of their holes after his victory. For them it was never Obama as a man and disagreeing with him on certain issues some that he should be called out on, but because he was a 'nigger' for some people that's all it came down to.

That's a damn sad sight for America.

I mean we know what's up in this country since birth. I am usually able to just brush off the racism but for the last few months I've been fucking tired of it. It's taking a toll at this point and obviously there is no break from it. The greenlighting of racism in the media since '08, the "sincere ignorance" of my white friends.... The GZ verdict and TM smearing didn't help, nor did that white asshole I sat next to at yesterday's Mets game that assumed I could not afford my seat.

?

Have you ever flipped off a camera? Or pretended to grab a friend's crotch while taking a picture? Or something equally silly?

By this logic every frat boy in the US deserves to die.

Are you crazy? Boys will be boys! Seth was just being silly when he flipped off the camera!

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

Its really tough to imagine Obama on top of anyone beating the crap out of them.

Except in a life or death scenario you mean?

 

[kehs]

My beef? Obama is black, but privileged. I have been racial pro failed.

Um....as far I know trayvon was middle/upper - middle class.




Unless you mean the priveledge of having white caretakers.

 

[APF]

In other words, he had to be a near perfect pitch to get the job.

George Bush just needed a C average in college and be viewed as a guy "you could have a beer with" to get in.

Obama had relatively easy Presidential wins, while Bush's wins were relatively hard-won, especially the first term.

Obama was privileged when he was living in one of the worst areas of New York after college?

Morningside Heights isn't that bad if you avoid the Columbia students.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Morningside Heights isn't that bad if you avoid the Columbia students.

In the 1980s?

 

[APF]

In the 1980s?

I wasn't around there then, but it's still where an Ivy-League school is, and therefore housed wealthy students. I'm not saying you couldn't get in trouble around there, but at the time the area I live in (Washington Heights) was probably worse (now it has one of the lowest crime rates in the city). Ironically perhaps, some of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the city also hold the highest crime rates.

 

[Half and half]

Obama's blackness is being called into question now?

The man can't catch a break.

 

[theignoramus]

Funny, was just about to make a thread.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch...-Fight-Racial-Bias-When-Its-Silent-And-Subtle





-5 minute audio as well.

]Recent cases of police shootings of unarmed Black men have led to a flurry of research on how race may affect the decision of police to shoot. The current study examines how levels of implicit racial bias in samples of both police cadets and college students predict performance on a simulated shooting task. Police cadets had stronger implicit biases against Blacks than college students. Cadets also displayed higher levels of explicit racial bias (as measured by the Modern Racism Scale). Results from the simulated shooter task replicated past results, with armed Black targets yielding the fastest reaction times across groups. However, IAT scores did not predict reaction times on the shooter task, but did predict the number of mistakes made when the target was Black and unarmed.

alarming material here.

 

[Tamanon]

Its really tough to imagine Obama on top of anyone beating the crap out of them.

Go rewatch the third debate.

 

[inm8num2]

Are you crazy? Boys will be boys! Seth was just being silly when he flipped off the camera!

You're right, I'm sorry. Seth is a good boy.

But yea, the TM smear campaign continues to amaze me. He had some troubles, possibly more than an average kid, but using that as an excuse for Zimmerman's profiling, pursuit against instructions, and overall responsibility is just plain absurd.

 

[thcsquad]

Obama was privileged when he was living in one of the worst areas of New York after college? He was privileged when walking the streets of Chicago and no one knew he was a Harvard grad? He was privileged in middle school when teachers made racially charged comments about black people in front of him?

Not to mention the bad Somerville neighborhood he lived in while going to Harvard. It was pretty much the epicenter of Boston's Irish Mafia at the time (Winter Hill Gang/Whitey Bulger ring a bell?).

 

[kehs]

Obama's blackness is being called into question now?

The man can't catch a break.

He's not black, he's privileged half white.

 

[APF]

Not to mention the bad Somerville neighborhood he lived in while going to Harvard. It was pretty much the epicenter of Boston's Irish Mafia at the time (Winter Hill Gang/Whitey Bulger ring a bell?).

By the time Obama was in Somerville it was much less blue-collar and already being gentrified, which is likely one of the reasons he as a Harvard student was living there. My aunt used to teach school in Somerville around that time btw (Bostonian here, raised in Brookline--which, even though it's the only place I've ever had a gun pulled on me, is one of the gentlest places to live in the Boston area--until I moved to NYC after school).

Before you ask, no clue about where he used to live in Chicago

 

[casabolg]

He's not black, he's privileged half white.

This is by far the oddest "half-full"/"half-empty" correlation I've ever seen and I'm not quite sure what it could imply.