Obama's "Blunt" Foreign Policy Interview: France, UK = "Free Riders", ISIS = "Joker"

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Thanks US for giving Europeans a free ride in the fucking conflict and severe destabilization of an entire region that you started and continue to fuel.

Obama needs some introspection on his country's foreign policies and how they tie into what is the current situation in the Middle East and why Europe is even involved in all this bullshit anyway.
 
Yeah the more I see of this I realise;
a) Obama takes no personal criticism of his or Americas actions
b) Does not understand those free riders are not necessarily great natural American allies but are allies as part of US military strategy
 
So...you support the intervention, and you think America should just have intervened and occupied Libya on its own?

I think the Libya intervention was a good thing and while not enough was done in the aftermath there is a middle ground between not doing anything and a Iraq style occupation.

Let's look at how many people are fleeing this disastrous hellhole of a country:

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_quarterly_report

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Apart from the 220 in Malta the people of Libya are not fleeing their country which is the best indicator.
 
Long ass read but it was worth every minute. Terrified to think where eight years of Hillary would have taken us through Obama's term but I guess she'll have her own shot to drag us into wars we have no business in soon enough.

I love the thought of a pivot to SE Asia. Much overdue as our dependency on imported oil has decreased so drastically.
 
Long ass read but it was worth every minute. Terrified to think where eight years of Hillary would have taken us through Obama's term but I guess she'll have her own shot to drag us into wars we have no business in soon enough.

I love the thought of a pivot to SE Asia. Much overdue as our dependency on imported oil has decreased so drastically.

Good thing she layed the groundwork and has engineered the pivot to Asia since her appointment.

My favorite quote from the Atlantic article:

In 2014, after she left office, Clinton told me that “the failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad … left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled.” When The Atlantic published this statement, and also published Clinton’s assessment that “great nations need organizing principles, and ‘Don’t do stupid stuff’ is not an organizing principle,” Obama became “rip-shit angry,” according to one of his senior advisers. The president did not understand how “Don’t do stupid shit” could be considered a controversial slogan. Ben Rhodes recalls that “the questions we were asking in the White House were ‘Who exactly is in the stupid-shit caucus? Who is pro–stupid shit?’ ”
 
Obama stikes me as a good, honest politician who has been thwarted in many attempts to improve America by red tape and political nonsense.

As his time in charge draws to a close, it increasingly becomes apparent from what he says and how he says it that the one word to sum up his time as President would be 'frustration.' He seems bemused by the unnecessary obstacles to things like gun control and foreign policy.
 
Damn. James Clapper, Obama's director of national intelligence, did not believe the intelligence pointing to Assad's involvement in Ghouta gas attacks was sufficient, and Obama himself believed he was walking into a trap set by American allies or adversaries. Damn.

Is it a coincidence that Turkish-backed jihadists are now gassing the Kurds in Aleppo?
The writing isn't clear, but I believe it's referring to this:

I have come to believe that, in Obama’s mind, August 30, 2013, was his liberation day, the day he defied not only the foreign-policy establishment and its cruise-missile playbook, but also the demands of America’s frustrating, high-maintenance allies in the Middle East—countries, he complains privately to friends and advisers, that seek to exploit American “muscle” for their own narrow and sectarian ends. By 2013, Obama’s resentments were well developed. He resented military leaders who believed they could fix any problem if the commander in chief would simply give them what they wanted, and he resented the foreign-policy think-tank complex. A widely held sentiment inside the White House is that many of the most prominent foreign-policy think tanks in Washington are doing the bidding of their Arab and pro-Israel funders. I’ve heard one administration official refer to Massachusetts Avenue, the home of many of these think tanks, as “Arab-occupied territory.”
 
Why are you lying? There's no way that article took you two hours to read. Sure, it's long, but two hours is ridiculous. This is not what Obama would want from you. Truth is also part of the American way.

It does when you're reading it at work...
 
I mean, it's a continuum? What would characterize somebody as a dove to you?

Someone that not only does not want to go to war but actively tries not to stop war.

Neither of which go along with Obama's policies. At best he's just perpetuated what was already going on, at worst he's actively tried to increase the amount of "sneak" war, drones and suchlike where the population isn't as aware of what is going on.

To me - and probably to the majority of Europeans - the idea that Obama is a dove is comical.
 
A whole lot of self-serving nonsense and false narratives in that, but to be expected. Obama doesn't get to absolve himself of the worsening situation in that region over the last eight years.

It's true that in the context of the people he's surrounded by, he is a moderating influence, but he also buys into a lot of the bullshit - whether knowingly or unknowingly.
 
A whole lot of self-serving nonsense and false narratives in that, but to be expected. Obama doesn't get to absolve himself of the worsening situation in that region over the last eight years.

It's true that in the context of the people he's surrounded by, he is a moderating influence, but he also buys into a lot of the bullshit - whether knowingly or unknowingly.
Yes, a rather self-serving account to cover up his dilettantism and failures in foreign policy.

Iraq was dumped by imposing a set of conditions on the Iraqi government specifically designed for refusal, so as to create plausible excuses.

Libya was dumped almost immediately after the bombing stopped. It was this which created instability, not the initial attack. I will however admit that the blame is only half-justified, though; the peoples of US and Europe wanted a short "go in, bomb them flat, go out", and in that respect everybody delivered completely. Problem is, that shit don't work IRL.

Syria was a total and complete fuckup. You can't keep on drawing lines in the sand one after another as they get stepped over. It's international politics, not hopscotch. You either do what you threaten to do, or keep quiet in the first place. Same with support: you either keep out of the way and let Assad fuck up some poor bastards, or you start cracking heads. Vacillation is bad, and Hillary is completely correct in claiming that kumbayas and generic platitudes do not make solid principles for engaging other political actors, particularly ones who do not believe in the same values as you.

The Asian pivot is basically on life-support, because, again, he let his naive worldview guide his judgment. Fact is, many Asian countries hate each other almost as much as they fear and resent Chinese encroachment.
 
Thanks US for giving Europeans a free ride in the fucking conflict and severe destabilization of an entire region that you started and continue to fuel.

Obama needs some introspection on his country's foreign policies and how they tie into what is the current situation in the Middle East and why Europe is even involved in all this bullshit anyway.

Remind me: who drew up sikes-picot again? Who destroyed the region post ww1 in an attempt at resource grab? Why can Isis carve out a Sunni stronghold in an area that was inforced to be a country by countries from which area by drawing lines on a map and calling it good?

Modern ME is all fallout from ww1. You guys broke it, Cold Warfare mangled it even more for sure, and bush tipped the pot over, but let's not forget that this and North Africa is pretty much all fallout from European colonialism.
 
Indeed, hillary is a hawk that we really do not need in the current climate, and ofcourse trump is an asshole.
For all the talk about Wall St contributions or how 90%+ of her views are shared by her and Bernie or how her voting record is more liberal than Obama's...Hillary getting us back into another war is what I'm most concerned about if she's elected.
 
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