ManaByte
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Probably? He wasn't Luke's father until the second draft of ESB. In the first ESB script, Luke meets Anakin's ghost on Dagobah and has a father-son chat.
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Probably? He wasn't Luke's father until the second draft of ESB. In the first ESB script, Luke meets Anakin's ghost on Dagobah and has a father-son chat.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Oh, you have got to be kidding me.Well, the writer of the show admitted he didn't know about Anakin surviving the battle on Mustafar and became Vader during the writing of this show and only found out from others.
Also to the other person in the thread ( edit:
pramod
) that said the dialogue is terrible. This has got to be the worst dialogue I've heard so far in the series possibly.Now maybe I'm missing something here but why couldn't Reva "Force extract" information from a little girl? A little girl is that strong to resist it? And if you say it's because she's force sensitive, so either Reva would have found that out somehow from this or would have tried a little harder.
Even with the Force sensitive stuff, she's a little girl. None of this is making any freaking sense.
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Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
I've been holding off of episode 4, infact I was dubious of the whole show after the storm that happend a few days before it aired, I was really looking forward to seeing the old cast back in action too!Maybe when the writers and directors heard.that Anakin has become consumed by Darth Vader they thought that he was literally eaten by Darth Vader.
Anyways, I have to check comments here from 12:00 a.m. and on because ooh boy, this past episode 4 I just watched.... Wow.
Why do they do this??
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Well you might like it. It seems like I'm alone in hating it and thinking it's the worst episode so far.I've been holding off of episode 4, infact I was dubious of the whole show after the storm that happend a few days before it aired, I was really looking forward to seeing the old cast back in action too!
Why do they do this??
A lot of people here are saying it's one of the best episodes or at least it's better than episode 3.
Weird because I really expected people to hate on this one. There's just so much wrong with this episode as far as I'm concerned but to each their own I guess.
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
Well, the writer of the show admitted he didn't know about Anakin surviving the battle on Mustafar and became Vader during the writing of this show and only found out from others.
Obi-Wan Kenobi Writer Appears To Be Oblivious Of Revenge Of The Sith, Has No Clue Kenobi Knew Anakin Was Darth Vader
Obi-Wan Kenobi writer Joby Harold recently discussed the latest Disney+ Star Wars show and appeared to reveal that he had no idea that Kenobi knew that Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader.boundingintocomics.com
Lol. I haven't watched this show, and reading this post, and others like it, has reassured me that I made the right decision
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Thaedolus
Member
Actually I take it back, the writing of this show is much worse than Rise of Skywalker.
To accept the utter stupidity of what happened, and that Reva actually planned to "let them go" all along, you have to follow this "logic":
So everyone in that base was "play acting" along with Reva
So Reva knew exactly when the speeders would arrive
So Reva thought that even though she had Leia+Kenobi+the traitor right there in front of her, it was better to let them "escape".
And what's worse, Vader thought this all made sense too.
Or she hacked the droid as part of a way to spy on Leia in custody, and now it’s acting as a tracker, so none of that other stuff is necessary.
Assuming the dumbest explanation is a safe bet but doesn’t mean it’s always true.
Anyway, this was the best episode yet. Nothing mind blowing but at least it didn’t have all the problems of the previous ones
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Ulysses 31
Member
It showed the t-47 airspeeder from TESB hovering which kinda breaks the battle of Hoth fight when now it turns out they could've hovered behind/above the AT-ATs and fired at the weaker parts from there. (Luke with one lightsabre slash was able to create an opening to throw a grenade in which brought down an AT-AT walker)
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Thaedolus
Member
And get shot out of the air like they were getting shot out of the air left and right? And besides they hover in the hangar in ESB and basically do VTOL just like an X-Wing, are you just trolling?
Ulysses 31
Member
They were mostly low on the ground going towards the AT-ATs when getting shot down and not when they were high in the air turning around for another pass.
The Imperial assault force was mainly AT-AT walkers without air support.
You see a downed AT-AT walker because of the leg cables get destroyed with a few shots in the "neck area".
Where did you see an airspeeder hovering when it wasn't taking off?
Are you the one trolling me?
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dr_octagon
Banned
This show needed Michael Cera as the grand inquisitor.
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
That Reva interogation was the worst acting I've seen yet in a disney show.
Thaedolus
Member
Your original point was presumably that having the speeder hover breaks canon with ESB because if they could hover they could've just hovered over the AT-ATs to hit their weak spots, except:
a) the speeders hover in ESB, and in fact every single craft I can think of in Star Wars can hover/VTOL.
b) there's no indication that they know about the neck being a weak spot until they hit an already downed/damaged AT-AT. For all you know they have shields and that one's were down because it had already been tripped up.
c) there's plenty of reason NOT to try to become a stationary target when they're all getting shot down left and right at high rates of speed.
d) the point about being low to the ground is silly, there's a shot of this speeder taking hits way above the AT-AT @ 10 seconds:
In conclusion, your original point was kinda silly and the digging in is only getting sillier.
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pramod
Banned
Or she could have just mind read the traitorOh, you have got to be kidding me.
Also to the other person in the thread ( edit:
Now maybe I'm missing something here but why couldn't Reva "Force extract" information from a little girl? A little girl is that strong to resist it? And if you say it's because she's force sensitive, so either Reva would have found that out somehow from this or would have tried a little harder.
Even with the Force sensitive stuff, she's a little girl. None of this is making any freaking sense.
Or she could have let someone more powerful than her try to read Leia
Anyways ive given up trying to make any sense out of this mess of a show. To me its all non canon... i will stick with the OT, prequels and animated shows and take that with me to my grave.
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Ulysses 31
Member
If you got a scene in the OT of hovering airspeeders like in ep4 of Obi-Wan Kenobi I'll gladly assume TESB breaks itself. Closest thing I can recall is when they lift off so there's no confirmation they could hover stationary for long.
I don't think they knew from the beginning of the fight either but if they could hover in the AT-ATs blind spot and attack it from there who's to say would've even need to know to disable/destroy an AT-AT quickly.
This would also open the possibility of dropping/attaching a bomb while it was hovering in a blind spot of the AT-AT. (Luke kinda did it when he disabled that AT-AT with the help of his lightsabre and bomb.)
Where are they getting this "left and right" of yours? You see the AT-ATs mainly fire from the front and that's also when you see airspeeders get downed when they're going head on towards the AT-ATs. From the positioning of the AT-ATs they couldn't really cover each other's sides and backs very well.
This would've changed if there were air squadrons of Imperial fighters in the battle but there weren't.
It was in response to your "getting shot out of the air left and right" and not that they were only flying low while attacking. There's no shot of an airspeeder getting shot down while it's high in the air .
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MacReady13
Member
That's ok but was rectified in the other films. It doesn't really break anything so it's not a huge issue. This show just defies all lore and cannon and does what it wants! Vader not sensing Luke or Leia doesn't really affect the story in any way whatsoever. Obi Wan fighting Vader AFTER episode 3 makes zero sense after what Vader said in episode 4.
I just love how these Disney loving Star Wars fans try to now criticize the OT to justify anything Disney now does!
Madflavor
Member
I can’t believe some people on here are saying Episode 4 was good.
This is a limited six episode series that should be spending its time exploring the friendship between Obi-wan and Anakin, the tragedy of Anakin’s fall, and how it’s affected Kenobi. Instead half of each episode is dedicated to Reva, a character nobody gives a shit about, played by an actress who doesn’t know how to be intimidating. On top of that there’s only two episodes left and we’re recycling the same plot points.
Episode 1: Leia is captured.
Episode 2: Obi-wan sets off to save her.
Episode 3. Leia is captured.
Episode 4. Obi-wan sets off to save her.
Like what the actual fuck are they doing? I don’t care if the next two episodes deliver good stuff, that doesn’t excuse bad episodes that came before it. This could’ve easily been a two hour movie.
It also really doesn’t help that the action choreography is laughable. From the awkward chase scenes, to the poorly choreographed light saber fight, and then this latest episode that lady spy giving a half hearted slap to that storm troopers helmet and he acts like he just got fucking nailed by Thors hammer.
This is Star Wars now. Pumping out show after show at a rapid pace, dividing their resources up, and not giving these stories the time they need to work out the kinks. Go watch Stranger Things Season 4 and compare it to BoBF and Obi-wan. The difference is substantially night and day in every category. They are milking the fuck outta your beloved franchise. Draining its creativity and charm, like a succubus.
This is a limited six episode series that should be spending its time exploring the friendship between Obi-wan and Anakin, the tragedy of Anakin’s fall, and how it’s affected Kenobi. Instead half of each episode is dedicated to Reva, a character nobody gives a shit about, played by an actress who doesn’t know how to be intimidating. On top of that there’s only two episodes left and we’re recycling the same plot points.
Episode 1: Leia is captured.
Episode 2: Obi-wan sets off to save her.
Episode 3. Leia is captured.
Episode 4. Obi-wan sets off to save her.
Like what the actual fuck are they doing? I don’t care if the next two episodes deliver good stuff, that doesn’t excuse bad episodes that came before it. This could’ve easily been a two hour movie.
It also really doesn’t help that the action choreography is laughable. From the awkward chase scenes, to the poorly choreographed light saber fight, and then this latest episode that lady spy giving a half hearted slap to that storm troopers helmet and he acts like he just got fucking nailed by Thors hammer.
This is Star Wars now. Pumping out show after show at a rapid pace, dividing their resources up, and not giving these stories the time they need to work out the kinks. Go watch Stranger Things Season 4 and compare it to BoBF and Obi-wan. The difference is substantially night and day in every category. They are milking the fuck outta your beloved franchise. Draining its creativity and charm, like a succubus.
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Romulus
Member
The design of that inquistor base is fucking stupid. Having an open bay door that any fucking Xwing or speeder craft can just show up and start wrecking your docked ships and crew uncontested? lmao.
How about 2 seconds of thought like the star destroyers with a shielded bay door?
Hell why not send a few Y wings escorted by a couple of speeders and destroy it? They didn't even scramble Tie Fighters lol
How about 2 seconds of thought like the star destroyers with a shielded bay door?
Hell why not send a few Y wings escorted by a couple of speeders and destroy it? They didn't even scramble Tie Fighters lol
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Sybrix
Member
So far this series is definitely mediocre.
The whole Obi Wan walking out in an Empire uniform with Leia hiding under him past 100s of Stormtroopers and no one stopping him?
Also the Hoth ships at the end… it looked like really bad CGI.
To me it feels this show has been rushed out, story and script needs more refinement, it’s very mediocre atm
The whole Obi Wan walking out in an Empire uniform with Leia hiding under him past 100s of Stormtroopers and no one stopping him?
Also the Hoth ships at the end… it looked like really bad CGI.
To me it feels this show has been rushed out, story and script needs more refinement, it’s very mediocre atm
Ulysses 31
Member
Obi-Wan also seems to have low agency in this show, everywhere he goes is because he's being lead there/strung along and don't really get to act out his own will. He's not really the driver of events, other characters are.
ManaByte
Member
Because the Rebels don't exist yet?
There's nothing close to the Rebellion for another six years or so at this point.
Master Of Illusion
Member
This show fucking sucks ass holy shit.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I see the hate and disappointment and I hear you.
But Part IV was probably the best Episode yet simply because when Obi-Wan saves Leia there is a glimpse of the Prequels Obi-Wan.
I expect the last two episodes to have Obi-Wan in all his glory.
ManaByte
Should we read into anything Ewan McGregor said when he said he hopes people enjoy the next episode and continued counting the Episodes up to 10?
But Part IV was probably the best Episode yet simply because when Obi-Wan saves Leia there is a glimpse of the Prequels Obi-Wan.
I expect the last two episodes to have Obi-Wan in all his glory.
ManaByte
Should we read into anything Ewan McGregor said when he said he hopes people enjoy the next episode and continued counting the Episodes up to 10?
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Madflavor
Member
I see the hate and disappointment and I hear you.
But Part IV was probably the best Episode yet simply because when Obi-Wan saves Leia there is a glimpse of the Prequels Obi-Wan.
I expect the last two episodes to have Obi-Wan in all his glory.
Should we read into anything Ewan McGregor said when he he hopes you enjoy the next episode and continued counting the Episodes up to 10?
As I've said, two good episodes doesn't excuse the mediocrity that came before it. I don't care about seeing Ewan wielding a lightsaber again. That's just the cherry on top of the sundae, watching Ewan and Hayden again. But the cherry means nothing if it's sitting on a pile of crap. I'm not here to simply see Obi-wan again, and then scream like a child whenever I see a character from some Star Wars comic or video game show up. I'm here for a good story. A story worth being told. This has not been a good story so far. It doesn't add anything to the setting. If anything it's messed with continuity and lessened the impact of Obi-wan scenes in ANH. It should be focusing on Obi-wan and Anakin. It wastes too much time on characters we're not here for, and recycling the same plotline twice now.
At this point I'm convinced that Disney Star Wars is the equivalent of the generic food paste from Robocop. Every 3 months Disney+ pulls that handle and *splurt* *splurt* *splurt*. Time to consume!
Methos#1975
Member
I hate that this show exists, in no universe, under no circumstances, can I buy that Kenobi wouod shirk his duties and responsibilities in protecting Luke and go gallivanting across the universe.
Ulysses 31
Member
And bury his lightsabre to limit his combat options when Luke would need protecting...
Methos#1975
Member
Oh yeahAnd bury his lightsabre to limit his combat options when Luke would need protecting...
Kev Kev
Member
good episode!
i dunno guys, this feels very 'star wars' to me. there are some weirdly delivered lines, bizarre editing, and the action sequences/choreography is less than stellar, but im really enjoying it. vader is great, ewan is great, i really like reva shes kind of a bad ass, i think the little girl is cute and doing a fine job, and in general i just love the feel of the series. traveling through space to different planets/locales, running from the empire and fighting when necessary. looking forward to the rest.
i dunno guys, this feels very 'star wars' to me. there are some weirdly delivered lines, bizarre editing, and the action sequences/choreography is less than stellar, but im really enjoying it. vader is great, ewan is great, i really like reva shes kind of a bad ass, i think the little girl is cute and doing a fine job, and in general i just love the feel of the series. traveling through space to different planets/locales, running from the empire and fighting when necessary. looking forward to the rest.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Gold Member
Episode 3 and 4 were boring. This show is turning into a disappointment.
Toons
Member
What? That critique was always present lol, it was a retcon same as this. The OT is far from above criticism lmfao, that hasn't changed regardless of what Disney is doing.
And personally theres enough breathing room in ANH to justify doing this, though I will admit when the show was announced I was concerned I like how they've handled it thus far.
Thats kinda his entire character post PT. Even in ANH it's the empires actions, not his that ends up pushing Luke to join him. After that he kinda just gives Luke advice that Luke ignores.
Ulysses 31
Member
It's turning the Empire into clowns:
No shields on the fortress because no one would dare attack it? How did it earn that rep seeing how easy it's been infiltrated in that one ep alone?
Obi-Wan hiding Leia under that coat and walking pasts god knows how many enemies, security check points and even Inquisitors who are force sensitive?
The base didn't get put on high alert and lock down when the alarm went off?
Hallways have sections you can hide behind?
Star Troopers can be knocked out with an open palm slap on their helmet?
We see that the base has tie fighters but none of those are orders to pursue the airspeeder.
But this show is called after him so it's not that unreasonable to expect more agency from him than we got so far IMO.
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Kev Kev
Member
i loved it! its star wars, it doesnt need to be iron clad with no plot holes. its a laser sword movie lol. now if you could put your hate boner away im going to catch up on some star wars shows while i still have this month of disney plusIt's turning the Empire into clowns:
No shields on the fortress because no one would dare attack it? How did it earn that rep seeing how easy it's been infiltrated in that one ep alone?
Obi-Wan hiding Leia under that coat and walking pasts god knows how many enemies, security check points and even Inquisitors who are force sensitive?
The base didn't get put on high alert and lock down when the alarm went off?
Hallways have sections you can hide behind?
Star Troopers can be knocked out with an open palm slap on their helmet?
But this show is called after him so it's not that unreasonable to expect more agency from him than we got so far IMO.
dr_octagon
Banned
There are good moments and it did feel like old school star wars but the editing and turning into a series from a movie is noticeable. It stands out and the amount of filler doesn't help with the overall quality.
There are some scenes which are shot like a low budget youtube series.
Ulysses 31
Member
Who's saying anything if you can or can't enjoy the show? That's a personal matter.
I just wish the show at least tried to be in the same league as the OT or even PT movies when it comes to writing, world building and character development. (Those trilogies weren't perfect either but they didn't clown around as much as this show does IMO)
dr_octagon
Banned
We need Mark Walhberg as a Jedi.
Master Of Illusion
Member
Ep 1: Leia captured
Ep 2: Leia saved
Ep 3: Leia captured
Ep 4: Leia saved
The pointlessness of this show is really showing. I thought we would be diving more into the psychology behind Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship (with maybe a one-off de-aged episode between the two [and possibly SNIPS] set during the Clone Wars era), not ANOTHER Lone Wolf & Cub gig. This past episode rehashing shit Fallen Order and Bad Batch already did but way worse is proof of its aimless unoriginality.
I think the Austin Powers trenchcoat gag broke my sanity. That and the sub-Black Widow CG compositing in the hangar fight scene.
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HoodWinked
Member
Actually I take it back, the writing of this show is much worse than Rise of Skywalker.
To accept the utter stupidity of what happened, and that Reva actually planned to "let them go" all along, you have to follow this "logic":
So everyone in that base was "play acting" along with Reva
So Reva knew exactly when the speeders would arrive
So Reva thought that even though she had Leia+Kenobi+the traitor right there in front of her, it was better to let them "escape".
And what's worse, Vader thought this all made sense too.
It's even more illogical meant she put the tracking device in the drone during the interrogation before she even knew Obiwan was on the base.
But also this meant that Reva was only acting like she was going to glass Leia but somehow perfectly timed that Tala would interrupt her even though she wasn't aware she was there.
sol_bad
Member
I can accept that, what I can't accept is that he would let his powers disappear. How is he going to protect Luke without any powers?
BouncyFrag
Member
Obi-wan just needed a proper bath. That stank was blocking his connection to the force.
Mattdaddy
Gold Member
I cant believe this writing its so bad. Its logic obliterating.
Shes on this secret spy mission but just openly talking to Obi wan on the walkie talkie with imperial troops literally sitting all around her like it aint no thang lol? Fuckin yolo I guess.
I saw a Storm Trooper in full armor get completely taken out with an open palm slap.
The fuckin padawan in stasis still wearing that training helmet thing. LMAO. I fuckin giggled. So they snatched his ass out of the Jedi temple and put him in storage for 10 years but let him keep that fuckin hat huh.
I guess hoth speeders now shoot regular blaster bolts? Shes just standing there facing off with it deflecting blasts left and right. Im sure they thought that was a sick shot too.
Of fucking course the pilot that saves the day looks like an Ubisoft npc.
Inquisitor and Leia growling at each other through gritted teeth during the "interrogation."
Vader is great, Ewan is great, the rest of this is dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb epically dumb.
Edit - oh of course I cant forget the great trench coat escape. This is so lazy. Its lazy ass writing in every episode so far.
Shes on this secret spy mission but just openly talking to Obi wan on the walkie talkie with imperial troops literally sitting all around her like it aint no thang lol? Fuckin yolo I guess.
I saw a Storm Trooper in full armor get completely taken out with an open palm slap.
The fuckin padawan in stasis still wearing that training helmet thing. LMAO. I fuckin giggled. So they snatched his ass out of the Jedi temple and put him in storage for 10 years but let him keep that fuckin hat huh.
I guess hoth speeders now shoot regular blaster bolts? Shes just standing there facing off with it deflecting blasts left and right. Im sure they thought that was a sick shot too.
Of fucking course the pilot that saves the day looks like an Ubisoft npc.
Inquisitor and Leia growling at each other through gritted teeth during the "interrogation."
Vader is great, Ewan is great, the rest of this is dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb epically dumb.
Edit - oh of course I cant forget the great trench coat escape. This is so lazy. Its lazy ass writing in every episode so far.
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dr_octagon
Banned
Vader is the seasoning, add as much as you can through the season for max flavor.
MacReady13
Member
Pretty much the perfect description of this episode. Awful shit. How the fuck did Obi Wan dry his clothes so quickly? How in the living fuck did no one notice Obi Wan walking out, in the open, with an oversized robe and Leia underneath?! This show defies logic and is going the right way about ruining Star Wars for me forever. Horrible tv show.
Tieno
Member
A lot of it feels very rushed, the writing, editing and cinematography, some of the acting.
They're shooting themselves in the foot by releasing an unfinished 'prestige' TV show, especially when they explicitly try to compete with the new season of Stranger Things.
Ulysses 31
Member
How does saying you got classified information clear you for entry? The guy should've cleared it with his superiors.
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Nankatsu
Member
After episode 4 I think the show is losing momentum.
Was expecting a much more direct confrontation between Vader and Obi-wan, but it's quite the opposite.
The whole Leia getting dragged into the narrative was cool at first but Obi-wan should have kind of reconnected with the force at episode 2, and Leia should have been gone from the plot at that exact same point.
There's no fucking way he could storm in into Inquisitor base like he was and manage to save Leia. No fucking way.
And lightsaber fights are insanely disappointing and lackluster. We just get pew pew fights.
Only way I can see this working is if this series is a starting point for a possible season 2, because right now I don't see how they can salvage this with only 2 episodes left.
All the hype about Hayden being back and as far as I know it may be a muppet inside Vader's suit.
Was expecting a much more direct confrontation between Vader and Obi-wan, but it's quite the opposite.
The whole Leia getting dragged into the narrative was cool at first but Obi-wan should have kind of reconnected with the force at episode 2, and Leia should have been gone from the plot at that exact same point.
There's no fucking way he could storm in into Inquisitor base like he was and manage to save Leia. No fucking way.
And lightsaber fights are insanely disappointing and lackluster. We just get pew pew fights.
Only way I can see this working is if this series is a starting point for a possible season 2, because right now I don't see how they can salvage this with only 2 episodes left.
All the hype about Hayden being back and as far as I know it may be a muppet inside Vader's suit.
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