BaneIsPain
Member
the idea is out there but the execution is laughably bad imo.
The music doesn't help.
Weird thing is that twitterverse loved it like the best thing ever.
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the idea is out there but the execution is laughably bad imo.
The music doesn't help.
Weird thing is that twitterverse loved it like the best thing ever.
Melon Husk
Member
The fuss about racism is funny because Disney fired an old experienced Iranian guy and hired a young white man with poor experience:
Disney kicked out the writer, Hossein Amini,
www.cbr.com
variety.com
Joby Harold
-has mostly served as executive producer, 5 movies and 2 tv shows
-wrote the screenplay for two modern classics: Zack Snyder's Army of the Dead and Guy Richie's King Arthur: Legend of the Sword
Hossein Amini
-wrote the screenplay for Drive, 47 Ronin, Two Faces of January, and 10 other movies
-creator and writer for the tv series McMafia, 8 episodes
-teleplay for the tv series The Alienist, 3 episodes
Disney kicked out the writer, Hossein Amini,
Original Obi-Wan Kenobi Writer Believes Biblical References Got Him Fired
Obi-Wan Kenobi's original writer Hossein Amini explains why his scripts' dark, biblical overtones may have resulted in his replacement on the project.
www.cbr.com
and hired an executive producer, Joby Harold, to "rewrite" the script (be a yes-man)
Obi-Wan Kenobi Disney Plus Series Enlists Joby Harold as New Writer (EXCLUSIVE)
Harold takes over writing the highly-anticipated series from Hossein Amini, who left the project back in January
variety.com
Joby Harold
-has mostly served as executive producer, 5 movies and 2 tv shows
-wrote the screenplay for two modern classics: Zack Snyder's Army of the Dead and Guy Richie's King Arthur: Legend of the Sword
Hossein Amini
-wrote the screenplay for Drive, 47 Ronin, Two Faces of January, and 10 other movies
-creator and writer for the tv series McMafia, 8 episodes
-teleplay for the tv series The Alienist, 3 episodes
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Ironbunny
Member
Must be nostalgia for those two main charecters. Other then that I cant understand. The writing is so bad :S.
Melon Husk
Member
So they fired a talented writer and the executives hired another executive producer to pivot the show from a dark, biblical story into... something that appeals to 5-year-olds?? (and adults with 5-year-old brains) so they can be left in front of the TV without babysitting.
The casting is all wrong but the casting depends on the script! Playing "if our show sucks it's because you're racist"-card before the show is even out is typical toxic white male executive producer behavior
I don't even like McGregor in this! I guess I hate all scotsmen now 
The casting is all wrong but the casting depends on the script! Playing "if our show sucks it's because you're racist"-card before the show is even out is typical toxic white male executive producer behavior
I don't even like McGregor in this! I guess I hate all scotsmen now
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nush
Member
Boomer cliff notes.
Every irreverent detail you didn't give a shit about.
The Truth About Mary Elizabeth Winstead - The List
Mary Elizabeth Winstead began acting when she was just 12, and her star has been on the rise ever since. Starring in horror movies, independent films, and more, Winstead has obvious on-screen talent. But what's not obvious are the details of her life. This is the truth about Mary Elizabeth Winstead.
www.thelist.com
Rockondevil
Member
Not that it’s saying much but I liked episode 3 more than anything else Disney has done so far.
My theory is Reva was a youngling who managed to not get slaughtered by Anakin and now she wants revenge on him when she can find an opportunity.
Grand inquisitor might mess her up.
I dunno. It’s probably not gonna be very deep and only 3 eps left.
My theory is Reva was a youngling who managed to not get slaughtered by Anakin and now she wants revenge on him when she can find an opportunity.
Grand inquisitor might mess her up.
I dunno. It’s probably not gonna be very deep and only 3 eps left.
dr_octagon
Banned
My PHD thesis is based on space opera media.
The 'i' in Kenobi has a lightsabre image which conveys a multi layered meaning. The lore is incredibly rich, it would appear to be a simple choice given limited thought but there is much meaning to such a simple design.
I will be posting my 10hr video essay on this on YouTube if anyone wishes to view. Tanks.
The 'i' in Kenobi has a lightsabre image which conveys a multi layered meaning. The lore is incredibly rich, it would appear to be a simple choice given limited thought but there is much meaning to such a simple design.
I will be posting my 10hr video essay on this on YouTube if anyone wishes to view. Tanks.
Lunarorbit
Gold Member
He was also the assassin Droid that got reprogrammed by nick Nolte into the baby sitter in mando
BattleMonkey
Member
The shows show lot of budget, but they all seem to have serious problem with action direction. Any time the actors have to do anything physical or any action sequence in these star wars shows are just terribly shot and directed. They look great and show a lot of budget but as soon as any action starts... woof
I'm curious if this is some limitation to covid productions or just Lucasarts execs not understanding action and giving it enough time for shooting. Even Robert Rodriguez, a guy who KNOWS how to shoot action, makes crap action for Star Wars. Even if Deborah Chow is a total novice at action (I see that she has done a lot of TV, surely some of them like Reign had fight scenes?), they could have gotten an experienced second unit director to do it for her. So I gotta think they are just biting off more than they can chew for TV with the script and just don't have the time to do the level of action right. Clearly the show has a lot of money as the set dressing and fx are pretty good. Plenty of extras in scenes, even if its all composite shots or whatever. But hard core action shows usually require a lot from the actors or at least the stuntmen, clearly something is missing here.
Of course none of this excuses the Leia chase scene, that was literaly just done in someones backyard
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BattleMonkey
Member
I'm curious if this is some limitation to covid productions or just Lucasarts execs not understanding action and giving it enough time for shooting. Even Robert Rodriguez, a guy who KNOWS how to shoot action, makes crap action for Star Wars. Even if Deborah Chow is a total novice at action (I see that she has done a lot of TV, surely some of them like Reign had fight scenes?), they could have gotten an experienced second unit director to do it for her. So I gotta think they are just biting off more than they can chew for TV with the script and just don't have the time to do the level of action right. Clearly the show has a lot of money as the set dressing and fx are pretty good. Plenty of extras in scenes, even if its all composite shots or whatever. But hard core action shows usually require a lot from the actors or at least the stuntmen, clearly something is missing here.
Of course none of this excuses the Leia chase scene, that was literaly just done in someones backyard
For some if can be the tight set and using the volume for effects really limiting set scope, but even then theres lot of odd direction in the action which feels like they don't have the proper equipment for action. Good action direction needs lot of rigging, crane camera usage, rail based moving cameras, yet it seems all the action is being done with stationary cameras also which doesn't help. Again it feels in some cases the restricted space they are using for lot of filming on the closed sets and on those little volume effects stages is preventing them from using the right setups
Venuspower
Member
After all, there were no real fight scenes today. Obi-Wan fled from Vader and tried to defend himself as best as he could. I am curious about the real fight later in the series.
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Ulysses 31
Gold Member
Vader should still destroy Obi-Wan if he was serious according to this:
Unless something happens to weaken Vader and power-up Obi-Wan in the meantime...
ManaByte
Banned
It's episode 3 of 6.
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
Vader's suit can even withstand lava, apparently he goes into the depths of sea of lava in Mustafar at some point in other canonical works.
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Alex11
Member
The fight was ok-ish, besides the fire thing, I was dissapointed with the setting, I thought it was really bland.
Romulus
Member
I'm wondering if Moses is exaggerating these racist claims for her career. Was there outpouring of hatred for POC characters like Lando or Mace Windu? James Earl get hate? Mace was a fucking boss jedi, he made the decisions. He told Obi and most every Jedi how shit was going to happen. Where was the hate? Lando in the new Solo Star Wars movie. Outrage?
I honestly believe it's highly possible that Moses got a couple dozen DMs and claimed there were "hundreds" to take the pressure away from her critics saying she's a flat actress with poor delivery. That was a huge pillar of conversations until this happened. Shes just not believable in any sense whatsoever. Samuel L Jackson and other black actors nailed it. She didn't. Now, she'll be seen in Hollywood as the harrassed and oppressed actress and probably land roles because of it. Speculation, but there's literally no way to confirm what she's saying. 'Hundreds of DMs!' Maybe, but one things for sure, her horrible acting isn't front and center anymore.
I honestly believe it's highly possible that Moses got a couple dozen DMs and claimed there were "hundreds" to take the pressure away from her critics saying she's a flat actress with poor delivery. That was a huge pillar of conversations until this happened. Shes just not believable in any sense whatsoever. Samuel L Jackson and other black actors nailed it. She didn't. Now, she'll be seen in Hollywood as the harrassed and oppressed actress and probably land roles because of it. Speculation, but there's literally no way to confirm what she's saying. 'Hundreds of DMs!' Maybe, but one things for sure, her horrible acting isn't front and center anymore.
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ManaByte
Banned
She literally posted receipts.
Romulus
Member
Ammogeddon
Member
I feel nothing watching this show, just complete indifference.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
Saw the first two episodes last night and it’s not looking good. Hopefully it turns around.
Venuspower
Member
Well, he calls himself Star Wars Theory for a reason
So it looks more like Vader is planning a slow and painful death for him.
ManaByte
Banned
Obi-Wan left him to cook low and slow on Mustafar. Vader wants an eye for an eye.Well, he calls himself Star Wars Theory for a reason
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
At least he supports his theories with references to canonical works.Well, he calls himself Star Wars Theory for a reason
But yeah, this is Disney Star Wars...
In rather low bar form. Like who sent them and when. She didn't 100% remove any doubt that messages could've been fabricated. What's the %tile of negative messages?
And messages like "You suck loser" don't sound racist to me.
II_JumPeR_I
Member
The german VO for vader was terrible. Ruined the episode a bit for me :/
Ulysses 31
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ManaByte
Banned
Well the English one isn't even JEJ. It's using the AI voice software they used to create Luke's voice in Boba Fett.
BattleMonkey
Member
Seeing how there was a ton of racist comments already on the shows social media pages and angry people bitching about diversity casting, it's not hard to believe she's been getting dms.
Go to the unmoderated star wars pages and it's full of folks having a good old time with racist posts.
Did Lando get mean DM's back in the 80s? lol
Venuspower
Member
Thank you. I feel the same way. I almost threw up when I heard that girl's voice. But the problem is not even the voice actor. The same voice actor was used in Rogue One. Vader sounds much better there. Unfortunately, he does not even come close to the voice of Reiner Schöne (Episode III, Rebels, Fallen Order). But in Kenobi, Vader's voice is really laughable.
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
Lando was also in Ryse of Skywalker (2019), remember?
But I don't recall seeing stories of Finn, Moff Gideon or Carl Weathers having to brace themselves for being in SW productions.
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Venuspower
Member
Is German dub ever better than original English track?
Especially with Star Wars, the german audio track has always been better in the past. Both technically and from the dub. It is also the case that many of the original voice actors from the movies have also reprised their proles in the animated series and the live-action series. So the continuity was also much better here.
With Vader, however, they have really dug deep into the shit here. No idea what was going on there.
€:
Here is an example of Vader's German voice so far (12:00):
Vader's Voice from Rogue One (1:51):
Vader's german Voice in Kenobi (0:13):
As mentioned before: The voice actor from Rogue One and Kenobi is the same. I do not think there is any doubt here that something is wrong. I suspect they wanted to make Vader's voice sound younger. As is the case in the English version, for example. Only the AI did a much better job.
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Romulus
Member
Never said she wasn't getting DMs. That wasn't my point.
Solo came out a couple of years ago with a new Lando. Where was the DM fire?
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
I saw a couple of German dubbed movies with Arnord Schwarzenegger on RTL + way back in the day and those were usually bad compared to the original English versions so I assumed that was what the typical German dub was.
Vader sounded more like he did in the OT and less bassey like the Rogue One version in English so maybe they tried to emulate that in the German dub too.
Trunx81
Gold Member
I actually had to change to English for these bits. They just can’t get his voice right. Was already the problem with the Special Edition Episode V. On the other hand they could get someone sounding like the young Ford for Solo ..
At least the voice of Moses is great, imho, and I am actually liking her character as well as her acting. Maybe it’s about how the lines are delivered.
Venuspower
Member
Well... yes of course there are dozens of other examples that sound worse. Especially older movies. But Star Wars is definitely on the positive side.
Your example sounds pitched.
This one should be a bit better (0:12):
As I said before, I also suspect that they were trying to get a little closer to the OT. The problem is that the voice actor sounds relatively young. Even without modifications. But I still clearly prefer the bass-heavy voice. I already did not understand the change in Rogue One because the "real" voice actor was still dubbing Rebels at the time.
Trunx81
Gold Member
Let me get more into detail, now that some time has passed.
It seemed like a fan video: too dark, a common construction side, slow and imo badly filmed and edited. I kept hearing in my voice “now I am the master” and even if a later episode redeems Obi Wans fighting Skills, this whole “I lost my mojo” story feels forced.
And the fire scene, don’t get me started with this. Obi can’t even defend himself being lifted up in the air, but the slow droid can pick him up and carry him away with Vader watching and doing … nothing after crushing bystanders left and right. “He got away!” Really, Sherlock? Oh yeah, Vader wants him to suffer .. but then WHY DIDNT YOU JUST FORCE PULL HIM TO YOU?
It’s just bad cinematography and storytelling. For me, it felt bland. But opinions may differ.
mcjmetroid
Member
I think they shat the bed in the last episode. Oof
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Javthusiast
Banned
I too would have shacked up with Mary Elizabeth Winstead.
II_JumPeR_I
Member
German dub for the nost cases is always great. But we are losingnvoice talent over the years here (either too old, retired or dead).Is German dub ever better than original English track?
The german VO for Luke in Mando also wasnt great but the og voice actor is still in buisness. Dont know why disney germany replaced him.
A german vo that can ruin a movie can be found in the Sonic movies.. A fucking youtuber was the vo for sonic alongside professional ones and you can hear the difference lol
Venuspower
Member
Watch the scene again. Vader sees how the droid is helping Obi-Wan.
In his arrogance, he then wants to take the chance to grab Obi-Wan AND his helpers. Why be satisfied with just one piece of cake when you can have the whole thing? Apart from that, Vader did the same thing in Rebels when he let the Ghost Crew escape and even in the OT Vader let his enemies escape once or twice. So that is just Anakins/Vader's typical behaviour again.
I think I once heard that the dubbing studio or the people responsible for Mando Season 2 didn't know that it was Luke. They probably only had a rough description or something. It was all done under maximum secrecy. They could only see a black frame.
That is probably why they chose a different voice actor. Of course, they could have dubbed it again later. But so be it.
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Trunx81
Gold Member
“Obi Wan gets his ass delivered by Vader”
“Oh boy, it must be hard to get out of this situation”
“Actually it’s super easy, barely an inconvenience”
“Oh really?”
dr_octagon
Banned
I want a similar scene like Hannibal and Mason. Obi wan gets captured and says to Vader "I left you to cook because hoison crispy Sith is my speciality".
Ulysses 31
Gold Member
So is the Grand Inquisitor dead or just injured and being ignored?
Toons
Member
Great episode.
Do people really not get that Vader let him go?
Notice the lingering shot on Vader with the flames framing him. Hes very clearly thinking about what he wants to do. They can't show facial expressions with him but they can do this. Hes contemplating and decides that this is better, to make him suffer longer. That is what he wants.
Im glad they didn't drag out the conflict til the last episode. Vader killing randoms trying to draw Kenobi out was great.
Do people really not get that Vader let him go?
Notice the lingering shot on Vader with the flames framing him. Hes very clearly thinking about what he wants to do. They can't show facial expressions with him but they can do this. Hes contemplating and decides that this is better, to make him suffer longer. That is what he wants.
Im glad they didn't drag out the conflict til the last episode. Vader killing randoms trying to draw Kenobi out was great.