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[Bernkastel]

Make a Pillars of Eternity 3 and no pirate bullshit this time, please. Be more like PoE1.

You want the people who made PoE 2 to make PoE 3 without Chris Avellone as a writer?

 

[Hudo]

You want the people who made PoE 2 to make PoE 3 without Chris Avellone as a writer?

Was Avellone a writer on PoE1? I did not know that. I hope he wasn't responsible for the lore-bomb dropping NPCs, which was one of the very few things that PoE2 actually did better than PoE1.

 

[Mayar]

Was Avellone a writer on PoE1? I did not know that. I hope he wasn't responsible for the lore-bomb dropping NPCs, which was one of the very few things that PoE2 actually did better than PoE1.

2015 - Pillars of Eternity - Writer
This was his last project before leaving Obsidian.
Technically Tyranny (Original world and story designer), but it was released after he left.

 

[pudel]

Was Avellone a writer on PoE1? I did not know that. I hope he wasn't responsible for the lore-bomb dropping NPCs, which was one of the very few things that PoE2 actually did better than PoE1.

These lore dropping bombs were mainly "kickstarter"-rewards from people who funded the game. They were quite annoying....cant deny.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Well theres no comparison video with Witcher 3.

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There definitely is a lot more attention to detail in Witcher 3.
But we can go through the Avowed vs Skyrim video and lets see how many points compare to Witcher 3.

You don't get it do you?

Anyone can make a video of creation engine vs KCD, Witcher 3, Mass effect, etc and make them look bad. That's what grifters do. Anyone can see how to approach making those RPGs look bad with Creation's physics, persistence or radiant AI.

You took the twist of "well here's details that..." That's not what I asked. Creation engine vs the rest.

At 00:37 the video mentions ripples in water reflecting to the player. Water in Avowed does not reflect to the player. Meanwhile in Witcher 3.

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That's completely outdated and was patched for Avowed

At 3:05, he mentions fishing and how there are no fish in Avowed's waters. Meanwhile in Witcher 3

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Again, clearly shows who didn't play the game. Literally first map near castle folly there's flocks of fish in the ocean.

Even the first time you ever get control of the character, right after the cutscene intro, you have to be blind to not see fish

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At 3:44 crowds and extras. NPCs in Avowed are completely lifeless and don't interact much with each other. Meanwhile Witcher 3.

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Like Mass effect. Funny how you ignored that one all this time though. I know why.

Again missing the point entirely. If you compared witcher NPC routines to creation engine and in particular radiant AI, you could grift peoples into thinking its a stinker.
They basically react to is it sun? out, is it night? bed. Is it raining? cover. That's it, they don't have a schedule.

At 4:22 NPC routine in Skyrim. This is essentially absent in Avowed. While not as pronounced as Skyrim, its still present to some extent in Witcher 3. Read this thread.

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Totally absent in Mass effect. Witcher 3 is so basic routine. Purpose of my post is that showcasing Skyrim next to it would also put those games to shame

At 5:37 attacking friendly NPCs and city guards in Skyrim. You can't do that in Avowed. In Witcher 3 you can't attack friendly NPCs but you can attack city guards.

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And mass effect you can't do shit in the citadel

again, another point where making a video of skyrim vs witcher 3 or mass effect would easily make them look bad. Yet nobody cares do they? No grift with that I guess.

At 6:42 about killing non hostile animals in Skyrim. You can't do that in Avowed. But in Witcher 3, you can do that.

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There is even a surprise for killing too many cows

Ok so another point where you can make witcher 3 look bad against skyrim. Exactly my point.

At 11:45 it is about stealing in plain sight. There are no consequences to it in Avowed. But in Witcher 3, there are consequences.

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Can I steal anything without repercussions?

When I arrived in the first village, the tutorial popups warned me that I should be careful not to do anything that would draw the attention of the guards. I ignored this advice and went right to l...

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Is there stealing in mass effect?

At 16:29 its about jumping to water from cliffs in Skyrim. In Avowed you die mid fall. But in Witcher 3

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Why are you lying?

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This is just barely scratching the surface of attention to detail in Witcher 3. Witcher 3 is better than than Skyrim in many other ways like the branching quest system, rpg mechanics and inventory management. In many Kingdom Come Deliverance has amazing attention to detail.

As an RPG, what has Avowed going for it unlike Kingdom Come Deliverance and Witcher 3?

Anyone with intention to make a grift could make these RPGs look bad, its so fucking easy. That's the whole point. You even proved it multiple times by saying "well its not skyrim but.."

What does Avowed have going for it? Combat dude. Way way way better than all of the above RPGs.

 

[Sethbacca]

What about remaking New Vegas like Oblivion?

FO3 and NV have been rumored for a while now. Who knows if they'll ever see the light of day though.

 

[PlayStaytion]

I always see headlines for the games I play at the moment.

 

[StereoVsn]

Make a Pillars of Eternity 3 and no pirate bullshit this time, please. Be more like PoE1.

Eh, I will have to disagree. I found PoE1 boring and bland (expansion was decent).

Po2 had more interesting systems, better gameplay and much, much better side quests. Heck, those were the real "meat" of the game and not the main storyline.

 

[StereoVsn]

FO3 and NV have been rumored for a while now. Who knows if they'll ever see the light of day though.

I am thinking we will see Fallout 3 Remaster in the same manner as Oblivion, farmed out to 3rd party.

 

[Hudo]

Eh, I will have to disagree. I found PoE1 boring and bland (expansion was decent).

Po2 had more interesting systems, better gameplay and much, much better side quests. Heck, those were the real "meat" of the game and not the main storyline.

Yeah, I specifically include The White March when I say that I prefer PoE1. One of my main criticisms is exactly that the main "storyline" of PoE 2 was... almost not there, tbh. And that there wasn't really any consequences of note if you sided with the Trading Company or the Huana. I expected more after New Vegas' faction system. Combat is "meh" in both games, but that's a given, since both are unfortunately real-time with pause (yes, they've patched in turn-based in PoE2 but did not change the encounter design... apparently that's one of the things they want to do better with the upcoming turn-based mode for PoE1, which I am anticipating more than I thought).

 

[Bernkastel]

You don't get it do you?

Anyone can make a video of creation engine vs KCD, Witcher 3, Mass effect, etc and make them look bad. That's what grifters do. Anyone can see how to approach making those RPGs look bad with Creation's physics, persistence or radiant AI.

You took the twist of "well here's details that..." That's not what I asked. Creation engine vs the rest.

But the video I linked at the beginning of that post was Kingdom Come Deliverance vs Avowed, none of which use Creation Engine. Its about attention to detail, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Witcher 3 and Skyrim go about it in different ways, Avowed does not have any of that.

Anyways heres Avowed compared to a Unity game made by a studio without the backing of a trillion dollar corpo

That's completely outdated and was patched for Avowed

Funny that you don't link to any video. So I had to find one myself.

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Thats the most barebones water physics I have seen made by a such a large corpo. Its like someone at Microsoft saw too many youtube comparisons with other games. This is nothing like the water physics in Witcher 3.

Why does something this basic need a patch 3 months after the game? Most people have already played without Microsoft's lame attempt at water physics. Also, is the concept of DRM free gaming alien to the fanboys of a trillion dollar corpo? Witcher 3 water ripples play from the disc in Playstation and Switch and both those consoles work with offline account. Meanwhile Avowed barebones water ripples are a 3 month late patch and Xbox requires a Microsoft account, and the game in PC is only in DRM stores like Steam and Windows Store, not GOG.

Again, clearly shows who didn't play the game. Literally first map near castle folly there's flocks of fish in the ocean.

Even the first time you ever get control of the character, right after the cutscene intro, you have to be blind to not see fish

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Completely glossed over the fishing aspect of Witcher 3 and catching fish in Skyrim. Also if the average player is not able to find fish, means its pretty rare.

Like Mass effect. Funny how you ignored that one all this time though. I know why.

Again missing the point entirely. If you compared witcher NPC routines to creation engine and in particular radiant AI, you could grift peoples into thinking its a stinker.
They basically react to is it sun? out, is it night? bed. Is it raining? cover. That's it, they don't have a schedule.

So you are comparing Avowed with a game from 2006 now? Man you fanboys of trillion dollar corporations. You are running away from the Witcher 3 comparison and doing "But what about Mass Effect". Avowed was released in 2025 by Microsoft (a trillion dollar corpo) and Witcher 3 in 2015 by CDPR (much smaller than Microsoft). A whole generation gap and massive difference between companies funding them, its embarrassing that Avowed can't match Witcher 3.

Also you are literally lying. Watch that video in 3:44 again. The section was about "crowds and extras". It was about how lively the NPCs in Skyrim and how dead the NPCs in Avowed who barely talk among themselves. The NPCs in Witcher 3 are very much alive, sometimes even more than Witcher 3.

Totally absent in Mass effect. Witcher 3 is so basic routine. Purpose of my post is that showcasing Skyrim next to it would also put those games to shame

Once again the fanboy of a trillion dollar corpo is comparing a 2025 game with 2006 game. Can't even compete a 2015 game.

And mass effect you can't do shit in the citadel

These fanboys are so pathetic. Comparing a 2025 game like Avowed with a 2006 game like Mass Effect and running away from a Witcher 3 comparison.

Ok so another point where you can make witcher 3 look bad against skyrim. Exactly my point.

And in many ways Witcher 3 is also better.

Its all about attention to detail. What has Avowed going for it? Why can't you attack guards in Avowed?

Is there stealing in mass effect?

Once again the fanboy of a trillion dollar corpo compares a 2025 game like Avowed with a 2006 game like Mass Effect.

You should be asking yourself why there is stealing in 2015 game like Witcher 3 but not in Avowed made a decade later by a trillion dollar corpo.

Why are you lying?

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Once again the fanboy lies.

Watch the video in 16:29 again. He literally shows you how jumping of a cliff in Avowed kills you midair in many locations, but in some loactions it works. Now show me where you die midair jumping off a cliff in Witcher 3?

again, another point where making a video of skyrim vs witcher 3 or mass effect would easily make them look bad. Yet nobody cares do they? No grift with that I guess.

Anyone with intention to make a grift could make these RPGs look bad, its so fucking easy. That's the whole point. You even proved it multiple times by saying "well its not skyrim but.."

Because Mass Effect came before Skyrim. And both Witcher 3 and Skyrim handle attention to detail in a different way.

You are the one who literally does not get it. Its about attention to detail.


In this video, in many ways Kingdom Come Deliverance is better than Skyrim. While in some ways Skyrim. Remember you completely ignored the video comparing Kingdom Come Deliverance with Avowed.

You ignored the previous comparison with Kingdom Come Deliverance and Avowed.

You literally don't get that its about attention to detail. What has Avowed going for it in that aspect? When you are comparing attention to detail of a 2025 game by a trillion dollar corpo with a 2006 game, you know you are trying so hard to defend a shitty game.

Also, Mass Effect is still an infinitely better game then Avowed.

What does Avowed have going for it? Combat dude. Way way way better than all of the above RPGs.

Is this guy serious?

This is how a RPG mechanics which is bought for its combat.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Anyways heres Avowed compared to a Unity game made by a studio without the backing of a trillion dollar corpo

Tainted Grail is damn impressive considering the size of the studio and all it's trying to do at a more than fiar price point.

Had it since Early Access and nothing but respect for how they refined and expanded it.

That's the type of swinging for the fences I would hope from AAA, but only AA and Indies do now.

Edit: Beyond the scope of this conversation, but check out Monomyth also if you haven't already.

 

[simpatico]

This is one place me and Obsidian still see perfectly eye to eye. New Vegas is my favorite 3D game of all-time and I absolutely insist that they do not make a sequel.

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Was Avellone a writer on PoE1? I did not know that. I hope he wasn't responsible for the lore-bomb dropping NPCs, which was one of the very few things that PoE2 actually did better than PoE1.

He wrote a few characters. Durance and the grieving mother iirc. The setting was Sawyers mess, and fenstermaker was narrative lead.

 

[kiphalfton]

Considering the "quality" of Outer Worlds and Avowed, maybe that's for the best.

Otherwise it would be just a great disappointment.

It's amazing that in less than 20 years, half the video game industry has been left is in shambles.

Don't think it was even a matter of people retiring either.

 

[poppabk]

This is where MS should be stepping in and saying - fuck what you enjoy making - make a New Vegas 2 to ride the hype when the second season of the show hits.