Dude Abides
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Yeah, you can't address relatively simple analogies or basic arguments on their merits. That's ok. Not all of us can be good at it.
Here, try to read and understand:
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Occupy Wall St - Occupy Everywhere, Occupy Together!
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Yeah, you can't address relatively simple analogies or basic arguments on their merits. That's ok. Not all of us can be good at it.
Here, try to read and understand:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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That's a bit rich coming from you of all people. lol
Oh well one day you might finally get better at your debating skills.
badcrumble
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Premise: that although some levels of economic inequality are acceptable, the *current* level of economic inequality in the United States is unacceptable.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Agreed, their should be a baseline of care and services that help to mitigate the effect of economic inequality. It's desirable both to lower classes to help better their lives and be productive as it tends to also improve health, learning, and eventually social mobility. The question is what works and what doesn't work. It's a benefit to the upper classes a happy workforce will be more productive and not protesting or wanting revolution it's a plus plussituatin both sides. The real is how to manage the cost and know what programs help close the gaps to artificially closer levels withou also infringing on ones rights or the health of the economy.
Dude Abides
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Yeah, this is the kind of non-substantive response I'd expect from someone who graduated in the middle of his class, at best.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Shh, the adults are having a real discussion now.
Dude Abides
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Manos: The Hans of Fate
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What's not to like about it? It's only a 30 minute drive and a 1hr express train where I get to read and relax. Added plus I commute with my wife so we never have the commuter relationship effect that has been observed in some studies.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Well you take the good with the bad. Dudes behavior pattern is in the dick troll stage that is best typified by the Walmart Tazer thread. So it's nothing new or unexpected.
It's insane that you think you have any. Your dodging and gliding does not make you look as clever as you seem to think, it's mainly just annoying. Being annoying might give you thrills, but it does not make anyone think you know how to argue your points. I'm not completely sure it's just a forum schtick but i hope so for your sake.
cooljeanius
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Hey look, something that's actually about Occupy instead of just name-calling!
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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jorma don't take this the wrong way,but I honestly couldn't give a rats ass what you think of me one way or the other.
That's cool. Why would you?
Alpha-Bromega
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great stuff, thanks.
and guys, seriously, stop replying to Manos! he will just continue to hinder any form of real discussion by his constant straight from Schopenhauer debate tactics. This are literally textbook techniques meant to dislodge discussion and turn it into a slug fest, which it has turned into any time that he posts. notice that when he is absent, we discuss like adults again? again, every single time you waste synapses trying to muddle through his complex, contradictory and often childish logic and demeanor, you are weakening any form of discourse and the philosophy behind the movement itself.
here's his playbook; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Being_Right
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CrocMother
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I've been thinking, NYPD really did OWS a favor by kicking them out.
It saved the protester the embarrassment of having to vacate when the weather turned.
All the city had to do was have more patience, and it would have gone better for them.
It saved the protester the embarrassment of having to vacate when the weather turned.
All the city had to do was have more patience, and it would have gone better for them.
travisbickle
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In a way, yes. We never will know how the winter would have affected the protests. The response from authority has been so wrong, they could have at least done it the British way: Allow them to have their time, it peters out then you put through the legislation they were protesting against anyway.
I like this image I saw today.
In a way, yes. We never will know how the winter would have affected the protests. The response from authority has been so wrong, they could have at least done it the British way: Allow them to have their time, it peters out then you put through the legislation they were protesting against anyway.
I like this image I saw today.
god damn.
ZephyrFate
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I think painting OWS as a "we want free crap" movement shows that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
It's a nice thought, but only that.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Ah look Bromega scared of me posting. That's pretty hilarious
But it didn't, so you have to live with it.
Yeah, don't see that happening Timey
That was the contention on the Slate political podcast this past Friday. I think it's a good point. Its been really warm this fall, when the first cold streak hit, Zucotti would have lost a lot of steam, IMO.
I dunno. Occupy Edmonton is still out there and it hit -30C with windchill the other night. And there's a lot fewer people to work with, and fewer direct issues to be angry about than at the epicentre of the movement.
That said, violent responses are obviously fuel to the fire most of the time.
travisbickle
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Very nice info-graphics about the wealth distribution in America. Can be printed directly onto dollar bills.
http://occupygeorge.com/
As for it getting colder outside, the occupation of physical building space is a possibility. I wrote a lot about this during my MA, and I am considering a PhD to continue the subject. In the UK, at the London protests the "occupiers" have re-established an unused bank property, renaming it the "bank of ideas" and they are hoping to open it to the public as a new social space.
I read an article about it happening in the US recently, I can't remember where? I think it was an unused car sales building that the "occupiers" had re-opened as a place for the community to come. Obviously the police reaction was to go down to the site as if they were in Baghdad, go down to the building with guns and tear gas and remove the occupants.
http://occupygeorge.com/
As for it getting colder outside, the occupation of physical building space is a possibility. I wrote a lot about this during my MA, and I am considering a PhD to continue the subject. In the UK, at the London protests the "occupiers" have re-established an unused bank property, renaming it the "bank of ideas" and they are hoping to open it to the public as a new social space.
I read an article about it happening in the US recently, I can't remember where? I think it was an unused car sales building that the "occupiers" had re-opened as a place for the community to come. Obviously the police reaction was to go down to the site as if they were in Baghdad, go down to the building with guns and tear gas and remove the occupants.
I'm surprised that I've never heard of this before. I found a different synopsis and it's pretty interesting: http://www.indiauncut.com/iublog/article/38-ways-to-win-an-argument-arthur-schopenhauer/
teruterubozu
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This is a giant tag fishing thread for Manos.
Give him one and I think he'll calm down.
Give him one and I think he'll calm down.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Neither have I.
Rocket Scientist
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No, the reality is much worse. He actually believes everything he says is right.
Yeah, I guess there's no way to really know how the NYC crowds would have reacted had there been no crackdown.
That's a fantastic sign. Another reason where a more centralized leadership would help. Find the most creative, witty people in the group, put them in charge of churning out signs like this.
Same here. It's refreshing to not have to look at Manos' posts anymore, although I wish they were blocked in quotes too. He's not just a right-winger with a differing opinion, he's a nutcase with fascist tendencies and has no interest (or no ability) in having an intellectually honest discussion. Everyone should just put him on ignore.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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That's a wonderful approach to dissenting opinion.
Rocket Scientist
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Highly effective, if nothing else.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Sounds a lot like fascism.
Rocket Scientist
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Nothing like fascism.
Vicetrailia
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Nothing wrong with special exceptions if otherwise.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Trying to stifle a dissenting view, telling and insisting other people not to talk to a person, and reveling in their ability to not listen to people who have a different viewpoint, sounds. like a fascist behavior type.
Wouldn't fly since the US is a lot less tolerant of squatters. They tried that tactic with an art gallery in the early days and got tossed out on their ass.
Rocket Scientist
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You are still able to say what you want, nobody has stiffled your ability to do so. Furthermore, the rest of what you describe is free speech. Just because there is right wing radio, does not mean I should keep listening to it or refrain from advising others not to listen to it, once I have a clear image of what it is. Everyone here has a very good image of your opinions on the various subjects.
Rocket Scientist
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Indeed, you couldn't find a dissenting view if you wanted in this thread. We did a great job.
What does this mean.
Rocket Scientist
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It means he has not read the thread at all.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Numerous people including the OP have tried to tell me to stop posting in this thread.
using the very same tactics employed by the capitalist-imperialist media to undermine OWS is now being used in this thread to undermine manos and his opinions
go to hell you capitalist pigs!!!
Rocket Scientist
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If only Mussolini's only crime was telling people to stop saying things he didn't agree with.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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So you're saying magicstop is like Mussolini?
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