Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Luckily the one recorded by the NYPD should look better than outtakes from Cloverfield.Karma Kramer said:
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Karma Kramer
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
what do you mean?
you keep making the same mistake of taking the first bit of information and concluding what happened based off it. I bet you argued for pages why the protestors deserved to be arrested on the bridge when it turned out to be a trap.
Cops barricade protestors in enclosed space, protestors start freaking out because they can't leave, crowd pushes against police barricade, cops start beating, spraying and arresting people.
The main goal of the cops seems to be to engineer situations where instinctual actions of a large crowd will lead to confrontations and arrests. Same thing happened on the Brooklyn Bridge. Seems pointless and just adds fuel to the fire.
The main goal of the cops seems to be to engineer situations where instinctual actions of a large crowd will lead to confrontations and arrests. Same thing happened on the Brooklyn Bridge. Seems pointless and just adds fuel to the fire.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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NYPD has officers with cameras at events like this to help deal with claims of misconduct or aggressive behavior people like to file.Karma Kramer said:
akira28 said:
How about not swarm him in the first place.
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
There are ways to use a baton defensively, but directly attacking people is not one of them. He may have felt threatened but indiscriminate swinging is not a defensive technique. If you watch the Fox video that was posted you can see he continues swinging even after people have turned their backs to him.
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
How about the cop doesn't get in the swarm? Since ya know it's a protest.
Karma Kramer
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
I understand that, but the cloverfield part confuses me.
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When a dozen police break down your door and all open fire on you, they consider that a defensive technique, so why not wildly swinging batons?SolKane said:
ErasureAcer
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UltimaPooh said:
this.
Karma Kramer
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Enron said:
Well I hope they release the entirety of the video... or someone does.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Except if he retreats it signals to others that they can move forward.Volimar said:
The footage posted is a bit jumpy and all off the place.Karma Kramer said:
Volimar said:
Holy shit. I couldn't believe it in the end where they just drench the 5 girls that are just standing there with pepper spray.
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN NEW YORK.
Anyone who defends this behavior is a lizard. They weren't doing anything except crying after seeing the guy's face get pulverized by the police.
Karma Kramer
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Yeah, yet you seem fine concluding a shit ton of stuff...
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I didn't say it was unviewable, just that I'd prefer a better one eventually to watch.Karma Kramer said:
No, they look like they're about to overrun him.SolKane said:
Karma Kramer
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
You thirst for the protestors blood. I get it.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Volimar said:
Not at certain points, that cop is isolated.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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No, They need to be isolated and studied so it can be determined what nutrients they have that might be extracted for our personal use.Karma Kramer said:
Volimar said:
All those cops behind him are actually behind the barricade. He and another officer are the only two not behind that barricade for whatever reason (they appear to actually be erecting the barricade) and are thus pinned between the barricade and a swarm of protesters that don't seem to want to back off him until he gets out the baton.
Karma Kramer
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
lol
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Well at least you like classic Simpsons.Karma Kramer said:
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Which would qualify him to act defensively, not to indiscriminately attack the protesters. As I said, he has a baton which can be used for crowd control purposes (which does not include striking, because not only is that inefficient but it is not defensive). Yet he literally swings at a group of people (unarmed) who have their backs turned! We pass the point of defensibility when we can see that such an act is anything but unwarranted aggression on part of the police officer.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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SolKane said:
Striking can be defensive.
White shirts are the administrative officers and they may not be as well trained in crowd interaction as the blues are. Lawyers should look into that. If they're forcing untrained deskjobbers into crowd control because they're short on manpower, thats a liability.
It's no coincidence that the other guy spraying those 5 women was also a white shirt, he was a midlevel inspector, not a street cop, and I bet he wasn't up to date on his training.
It's no coincidence that the other guy spraying those 5 women was also a white shirt, he was a midlevel inspector, not a street cop, and I bet he wasn't up to date on his training.
Karma Kramer
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
It can be, depends on who strikes first. Which isn't conclusive in the videos as of yet, so how about giving it a rest for an hour or so and then once more videos surface we can continue this
Enron said:
But then how do the cops get to him? Do they all leap the barriers? No? That's right, the barriers move. They open them to let people in and out. He wasn't trapped. He could have used his baton as a crossbar to push the protesters if they got too close but he didn't, he picked the couple of people closest to him and hit them. There's no evidence that they were armed, threatening, swarming or anything else. He just did something he should not have done.
Karma Kramer said:
Awesome. My favorite part is when he says how people made fun by saying they don't have to get time off because they don't have jobs. That'sthejoke.jpg
I'd have loved to have heard Anthony Weiner's take on all this. If only he hadn't turned out to be such a horndog.
unomas said:
Let's not turn this into GAFfer vs GAFfer. Manos supports the police, I can understand that. The truth is that the videos are short snippets and people will interpret them differently.
Karma Kramer
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kame-sennin said:
damn great video
they are getting organized...this is really picking up
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Enron said:
The right to be in public? What are the cops doing there?
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People here defending baton-happy cops! "to serve and protect"
ErasureAcer
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Fox News Video of the Police Officer hitting people in the back is amazing. Dude should be fired.
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/occupy-wall-street-protest-broadens-scope-20111005
http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/occupy-wall-street-protest-broadens-scope-20111005
empty vessel
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Volimar said:
I'm not aware of that at all. This isn't a professional sporting event. It's people exercising rights. It's people talking to other people in public. I'm not nearly as convinced as you that these activities require an inordinate amount of "supervision." But even if they do, the police are not the people to whom deference is owed. Citizens are.
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He's saying all of the right things, anyway.Karma Kramer said:
Well except invest more in education.
Education doesn't need more money per se.
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ErasureAcer said:
Wow, just wow. Im Canadian, so Im not too familiar with American freedoms and such, but dont the public have the right of assembly and peaceful protest?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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empty vessel said:
It's people trying to swarm a cop, not exactly exercising ones right to non-violent protest.
Called humor and sarcasm.unomas said:
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