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[Clevinger]

As somebody who identifies with libertarians much of the time, and is strongly in favor of the Occupy protests, kindly fuck off with that attitude.

What? Libertarianism would mean even less regulation (ie, none) for Wall Street to be free to fuck over ordinary Americans. That seems the polar opposite of what people are protesting about.

 

[magicstop]

I'm just going by the positions listed in the OP. A lot of people in Occupy New Hampshire called the positions in the OP "class warfare" and "anti-business" and other Republican talking points, which would be okay if these people were on the other side, but these are people trying to redefine the face of the movement to be the exact opposite of what it currently is.

It's a complex issue, to be sure. There is a lot of discussion of how to have a movement that embraces everyone getting screwed, knowing that they are politically diverse. Thus far, the lack of official documents and demands has been very intentional, as part of OWS is beginning the discussion - including all perspectives - of acknowledging something is wrong and something needs to be done. The next part is discussing what, and inevitably, everyone won't walk away 100% happy, but hopefully we are left with something that addresses the issues in a satisfactory means that will result in some dramatic change and addressal of the issues.

 

[Karma Kramer]

"hey this picture is fake" *ignores thousands of people protesting massive inequalities in our country*

lol exactly...

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I am not saying I actually think that is the case. I highly doubt that tbh. My point is that you don't know who made the image. The fact people fell for it, is a bit ridiculous, but I don't think its done out of a malicious act to deceive others. More like they are overjoyed to see so many people supporting the cause and don't bother to double check the source. Pretty much every political party, every news network, every single person does this. They focus on evidence that supports their cause and unfortunately with photoshop and the internet people can be more easily fooled.

And when we do we should point it out, and often have a good laugh (like the News Maps Screwups we've often seen), but also as a warning for people to be more cautious. Using incorrect or out and out faked information really creates a credibility problem, even if the side only distributed it.

 

[magicstop]

As a side note, I'm really happy to see that one of the big headlines on the Occupy Vancouver page is "WILL YOU BE ADDRESSING THE FACT WE ARE OCCUPYING INDIGENOUS LAND?" This is a very important concern, and it is beginning the take it's deserved place of importance in several movements.

In the interest of letting people discuss the issues at hand, whatever they may feel they are or however they feel about them, I withdraw from posting in this thread and any future thread on the subject.

Get to it.

 

[Karma Kramer]

And when we do we should point it out, and often have a good laugh (like the News Maps Screwups we've often seen), but also as a warning for people to be more cautious. Using incorrect or out and out faked information really creates a credibility problem, even if the side only distributed it.

Thats not how you phrased it before. You blamed the image on the leadership of the OWS movement. The image has been called out and will continue to be called out, I would hope. It honestly seems clearly fake.

Basically I think you have to get your priorities in order if you let one photoshop that could have been made by anyone call into question the credibility of an entire movement.

 

[stufte]

Thats not how you phrased it before. You blamed the image on the leadership of the OWS movement. The image has been called out and will continue to be called out, I would hope. It honestly seems clearly fake.

Basically I think you have to get your priorities in order if you let one photoshop that could have been made by anyone call into question the credibility of an entire movement.

But that's the problem, see? ONE image like this COULD call into question the credibility of an entire movement. That's how propaganda works. As long as we keep on pointing out fakes and lies like this, the real truth of the matter can show through.

 

[Karma Kramer]

But that's the problem, see? ONE image like this COULD call into question the credibility of an entire movement. That's how propaganda works. As long as we keep on pointing out fakes and lies like this, the real truth of the matter can show through.

I agree with what your saying, I just think you are missing the nature of Manos.

 

[I H8 Memes]

Thought this video would fit here more than the BoA thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtI85Zc6Oik



Bad stuff is simmering in this country right now. I'm just glad winter is coming soon. Hopefully that will help to settle this down some.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Get to it.

Nope.

But that's the problem, see? ONE image like this COULD call into question the credibility of an entire movement. That's how propaganda works.

That's the real risk of passing around an image with no way to check the source.

 

[cooljeanius]

What? Libertarianism would mean even less regulation (ie, none) for Wall Street to be free to fuck over ordinary Americans. That seems the polar opposite of what people are protesting about.

Exactly what I've been saying. Don't see why people can't see this...

 

[Karma Kramer]

Thought this video would fit here more than the BoA thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtI85Zc6Oik



Bad stuff is simmering in this country right now. I'm just glad winter is coming soon. Hopefully that will help to settle this down some.

I don't understand... you can't close your own accounts? How is this legal?

 

[SolKane]

ACTUAL UPDATE TO THIS THREAD:

Police: 1,200 people at Occupy Austin, no arrests made

On the steps of the City Hall plaza, Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said that the Occupy Austin event has reached 1,200 people. The demonstration has remained peaceful, and no arrests have been made.

Many stepped up to air grievances about the income gap in America, the influence of corporate money in politics, the lack of jobs, and a wide variety of other issues.

“I’m mad as hell about corporate control of our lives,” said David Van Os, a lawyer and perennial political candidate. “The people have had enough. The people are rising.”

The crowds included people of all ages and backgrounds. Some wore suits and ties, and others wore the Guy Fawkes masks popularized by the comic book and film “V for Vendetta.”

“The richest two percent in America have stolen from all of us,” said Austin dance instructor Daniel Llanes.

Others had grievances with specific companies. Bill Edwards, an 80-year-old retired military veteran, carried a sign denouncing Bank of America, which he called “a parasitic organization.” He said he was also angry with the influence of large banks and corporations in politics.

“I believe 99 percent of us are being stolen from by the one percent,” Edwards said. “If you have the people ground down, you could have a revolution.”

 

[magicstop]

Thought this video would fit here more than the BoA thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtI85Zc6Oik



Bad stuff is simmering in this country right now. I'm just glad winter is coming soon. Hopefully that will help to settle this down some.

That's not good . . . I can't see that going over well. Bad timing for BoA, especially w/ their new monthly free for debit card usage. I've been considering pulling my money from my own bank (not BoA) and going with a credit union.

 

[Karma Kramer]

Exactly what I've been saying. Don't see why people can't see this...

I think people misunderstand libertarians sometimes... Check out this video when Ron Paul talks about what he fears of our current system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gLDzDklTRU

This is what libertarians stand for... they argue for deregulation for efficiency, but not to deter competition with loop holes and corruption.

 

[magicstop]

ACTUAL UPDATE TO THIS THREAD:

Police: 1,200 people at Occupy Austin, no arrests made



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Great post, lol! That's probably what Asheville's Occupy movement looks like. Pretty counter-cultural place to begin with (like Austin) - almost preaching to the choir kind of thing. I love the cop in that last pic

 

[Alucrid]

"hey this picture is fake" *ignores thousands of people protesting massive inequalities in our country*

Now that's something I'm curious about. In a country of 300 million people, how many are protesting?

 

[Ether_Snake]

I knew it was inevitable that overtime, the people who want social justice, which are in reality the silent majority, would start making their voices heard again.

Eventually it will be loud enough for politicians to answer back.

 

[MIMIC]

This movements needs to appoint a (rational) leader.

 

[SolKane]

Great post, lol! That's probably what Asheville's Occupy movement looks like. Pretty counter-cultural place to begin with (like Austin) - almost preaching to the choir kind of thing. I love the cop in that last pic

I'm going to keep following this. I wasn't able to attend today (had to work) but I might be able to tomorrow. They're planning to march to the Bank of America building tomorrow, which is on Congress south a few blocks of the capitol building. It should be very exciting.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Now that's something I'm curious about. In a country of 300 million people, how many are protesting?

Not many.

The size of the Philadelphia one is insanely smaller than even one of the standard Mumia protests.

On the bright side I doubt they screwed up my Dad's commute home today which is a plus.

 

[SolKane]

Now that's something I'm curious about. In a country of 300 million people, how many are protesting?

Doesn't matter how many, the question you should be asking is are enough people protesting.

 

[Karma Kramer]

Not many.

The size of the Philadelphia one is insanely smaller than even one of the standard Mumia protests.

On the bright side I doubt they screwed up my Dad's commute home today which is a plus.

Lol, not many... great ballpark figure there. You are full of so much factual specific content I bask in the glory of your knowledge.

 

[entremet]

Bloomberg and his royal guard continue to be assholes? Why am I not surprised.

 

[AstroLad]

Now that's something I'm curious about. In a country of 300 million people, how many are protesting?

75%

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Lol, not many... great ballpark figure there. You are full of so much factual specific content I bask in the glory of your knowledge.

Out of 300 million, which was the number mentioned (though the actual estimate is 307 Source: U.S. Census Bureau
307,006,550 - Jul 2009), not many is pretty accurate. Hell it would take more than 3 million to even be 1% of the population.

 

[Alucrid]

Doesn't matter how many, the question you should be asking is are enough people protesting.

Or perhaps what is the number of people needed to be considered 'enough'?

Not many.

The size of the Philadelphia one is insanely smaller than even one of the standard Mumia protests.

On the bright side I doubt they screwed up my Dad's commute home today which is a plus.

True. More people took to the streets when the Phillies won the world series.

 

[SolKane]

Here's another pic from Austin. Gives you a better idea of the turnout:

 

[Pre]

What? Libertarianism would mean even less regulation (ie, none) for Wall Street to be free to fuck over ordinary Americans. That seems the polar opposite of what people are protesting about.

Obviously, squeezing businesses to death through taxes and regulation is the true answer to job creation.

 

[cooljeanius]

Obviously, squeezing businesses to death through taxes and regulation is the true answer to job creation.

Regardless of job creation, big businesses on Wall Street should be squeezed to death anyway.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

True. More people took to the streets when the Phillies won the world series.

Oh lord yeah. Man I was so pissed I was living in NJ at the time. I just wanted to go right out and start celebrating. Still was a lot of fun to watch.

 

[Alucrid]

Oh lord yeah. Man I was so pissed I was living in NJ at the time. I just wanted to go right out and start celebrating. Still was a lot of fun to watch.

Shouldn't you be pissed for living in NJ all the time?

 

[Buckethead]

Surprised there is none in Michigan.

Our new governor isn't exactly a hit.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Shouldn't you be pissed for living in NJ all the time?

I was, I used to live in Newark when going to law school, the world series win (I was born right after the last Philly championship of any type), temporarily nullified all that for a short while. lol

EDIT: That said the Gamestop in Newark had a great and hilarious stay and the guy at the Videogame/jewelry/phone/pawn shop that always broke street date was awesome too.

Being across from the Pru Center also meant it was easy to get $10 hockey tickets.

 

[magicstop]

Thought these pics on https://occupywallst.org were pretty great and worth sharing. I wish I could be in NY to participate in OWS itself, but I'm proud to be involved with my local movements as well.

 

[Puddles]

Obviously, squeezing businesses to death through taxes and regulation is the true answer to job creation.

Yes, business is being squeezed to death.

 

[kame-sennin]

ACTUAL UPDATE TO THIS THREAD:

Police: 1,200 people at Occupy Austin, no arrests made

Really impressed by how many people have come out. I was worried that the Occupation of Wall Street would be a one-week fizzle. But seeing the endurance of that occupation, and the spinning out into city after city, has made me feel optimistic about this country's future for the first time in a long time.

 

[magicstop]

Really impressed by how many people have come out. I was worried that the Occupation of Wall Street would be a one-week fizzle. But seeing the endurance of that occupation, and the spinning out into city after city, has made me feel optimistic about this country's future for the first time in a long time.

Check this out:
http://www.meetup.com/occupytogether/

That just made me smile Oh, and FWIW, the listed number of occupiers is obviously wrong. It only shows a number based on the # of people who have used meetup.com to confirm attendance. For instance, it shows Durham with 2 people attending . . . we had around 200 last weekend for our first meeting

 

[Pollux]

As a side note, I'm really happy to see that one of the big headlines on the Occupy Vancouver page is "WILL YOU BE ADDRESSING THE FACT WE ARE OCCUPYING INDIGENOUS LAND?" This is a very important concern, and it is beginning the take it's deserved place of importance in several movements.

Can someone explain this one to me and why it is a very important concern?

 

[SolKane]

Thought these pics on https://occupywallst.org were pretty great and worth sharing. I wish I could be in NY to participate in OWS itself, but I'm proud to be involved with my local movements as well.

http://i.imgur.com/tOcus.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xWpfK.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1Hug8.jpg

Great pics, I especially like that last one. Here's an informative and well produced video from the main site that takes a look at how the occupiers are living:

http://vimeo.com/30081785

 

[Utako]

Thought this video would fit here more than the BoA thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtI85Zc6Oik



Bad stuff is simmering in this country right now. I'm just glad winter is coming soon. Hopefully that will help to settle this down some.

Does not compute

 

[Karma Kramer]

Great pics, I especially like that last one. Here's an informative and well produced video from the main site that takes a look at how the occupiers are living:

http://vimeo.com/30081785

Fantastic

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Does not compute

I suspect he means that few will be able to continue things like this in the winter due to extreme cold, which will create a pause for any events occurring.

 

[Goldmund]

This movements needs to appoint a (rational) leader.

It not having a leader (a structure analogous and therefore subject to the hierarchy it is criticizing) is pretty much the only thing that's distinguishing and interesting about this and comparable movements.

 

[magicstop]

Great pics, I especially like that last one. Here's an informative and well produced video from the main site that takes a look at how the occupiers are living:

http://vimeo.com/30081785

Great video, well put together. I like the last 2 sections, giving a contrasting view of Occupy's Wall St and Wall St's Wall St, so to speak

 

[SolKane]

Great video, well put together. I like the last 2 sections, giving a contrasting view of Occupy's Wall St and Wall St's Wall St, so to speak

Exactly, it's amazing to think of the OWS project as a group of citizens who are creating their own "Wall Street," if you will.

 

[Evlar]

Paul Krugman's Friday column is a fairly warm appraisal of Occupy Wall Street, and an excoriating rebuke of some of its critics (and the media's generally deplorable reporting of it). He even makes a few suggestions for the movement's stands and demands. Give it a read.

 

[cooljeanius]

Paul Krugman's Friday column is a fairly warm appraisal of Occupy Wall Street, and an excoriating rebuke of some of its critics (and the media's generally deplorable reporting of it). He even makes a few suggestions for the movement's stands and demands. Give it a read.

Link for those too lazy to find it ourselves? Edit: nvm, found it myself: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/07/o...-malefactors.html?_r=1&src=ISMR_HP_LO_MST_FB#

 

[SouthernDragon]

Clearly, all those photos are shopped, too.

 

[Evlar]

Link for those too lazy to find it ourselves?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/07/opinion/krugman-confronting-the-malefactors.html?_r=1&hp

It may be behind the paywall, depending on how often you browse the NYT.