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[Haly]

I just passed by Occupy RIT (about 6 or 7 people with a big sign) while going to class.

REALLY?

 

[N-Bomb]

The cops aren't doing anything during this and that guy is having a meltdown.

He looks really unstable.

Unstable my ass. It's called being pissed off. Maybe you people have felt like that occasionally? He's right though. The cops should not be acting, they should be reacting. Save the riot gear for when a riot brakes out.

 

[N-Bomb]

Keep talking...

A fucking meltdown? Is that all you've got? A lame attempt at trolling and talking shit? Fuck, what a sorry mess you are...

This textrage of yours is kind of unsettling, to be honest.

 

[Miggytronz]

I really wish he would keep his shirt buttoned up though as its a sign of dishonor to wear your uniform like that. My only gripe.

But hes prolly so fed up that he could careless about honor in todays time.

 

[NathanMcMahon]

This textrage of yours is kind of unsettling, to be honest.

Good, be afraid, be very afraid!!! HAHAHAHHA!!

 

[NathanMcMahon]

I really wish he would keep his shirt buttoned up though as its a sign of dishonor to wear your uniform like that. My only gripe.

But hes prolly so fed up that he could careless about honor in todays time.

No, it isn't.

 

[N-Bomb]

Good, be afraid, be very afraid!!! HAHAHAHHA!!

I said unsettling, not terrifying. :\

 

[Alpha-Bromega]

The cops aren't doing anything during this and that guy is having a meltdown.

He looks really unstable.

probably reacting to severe mistreatment to the protesters. it's no secret. he probably saw it happen, has been seeing it happen, and just flipped shit. as would i

 

[ErasureAcer]

I was at OccupyMN from Friday - Tuesday the first week and now Friday to Monday the second.

As you may know...our tents...many of them transparent structures that said "We Are The 99%" were taken down Saturday. 70 or so brave souls risked being arrested...sadly the police just kinda stepped over them and removed the tents...some they slashed. No one was arrested in the incident of taking down the tents. Although 1 was arrested earlier for trespassing.

Anyhow...my big sign made the paper I heard...don't know if it was actually in it as I didn't see it there as I never looked but it's on the web from the Star Tribune.

It's the big sign!

I'll probably head back out Friday again...the lack of activities is making the protest kinda boring. It's fun to march. We had 500-1000 Friday protesting the banks and foreclosure. There was supposed to be a Homeless March/Rally on Sunday but it never occured...instead we got people speaking about GMOs. So, with nothing on the schedule today except a GA...I decided to come home.

 

[AndyD]

Anyone hear anything about Occupy Toronto?

When I was in Montreal on Saturday they were saying how it was significantly larger, several thousand people in Toronto.

 

[AVclub]

I really wish he would keep his shirt buttoned up though as its a sign of dishonor to wear your uniform like that. My only gripe.

But hes prolly so fed up that he could careless about honor in todays time.

Go spend 18 months in the deserts of Iraq then come back and tell me how you had your shirt buttoned the whole time. LOL!

As for the vet. I agree with his sentiment and his methods. The cops need to see a war hero and hear his scolding. Maybe it will give them a bit of perspective on their actions. Cops mostly see civilians as cattle. Maybe if a soldier publicly shames them, it will sink in that the way they treat protestors is wrong.

 

[N-Bomb]

Go spend 18 months in the deserts of Iraq then come back and tell me how you had your shirt buttoned the whole time. LOL!

As for the vet. I agree with his sentiment and his methods. The cops need to see a war hero and hear his scolding. Maybe it will give them a bit of perspective on their actions. Cops mostly see civilians as cattle. Maybe if a soldier publicly shames them, it will sink in that the way they treat protestors is wrong.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Obviously there are good cops who can just be put in bad situations. Sometimes it just takes someone reminding them of things (even if it's through shame) that are important.

 

[HomShaBom]

Go spend 18 months in the deserts of Iraq then come back and tell me how you had your shirt buttoned the whole time. LOL!

We wear our shit all sorts of fucked up over here. But back home is different. It IS a complete dishonor to be walking around looking like a jackass, even more so around civilians. He barely gets a pass as he's likely a bit jacked in the head, like everyone else.

 

[NullPointer]

Those cops do need a reminder of just who and what it is that they serve and protect.

 

[Alpha-Bromega]

Those cops do need a reminder of just who and what it is that they serve and protect.

the institutions which fund them. it's a great relationship.

Honestly I think there has been efforts to prevent this issue when it finally hit critical mass; I don't think the increasing securitization and removal of privacy, and the acquiesence of losing many of our rights was really a coincidence but rather preliminary measures just in case this very thing happened.

It's not tin foil at all, it's the Aristocracy protecting their own and preventing their own downfall.

 

[Enron]

Showdown looming in Atlanta?

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/occupy-atlanta-protesters-say-1203215.html

Occupy Atlanta protesters say they won't budge

By Fran Jeffries and John Spink

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
1:43 p.m. Monday, October 17, 2011

Occupy Atlanta protesters dug in their heels Monday, on the day Mayor Kasim Reed initially told the group of about 100 to vacate downtown Woodruff Park.

However, late Friday, the mayor's office said that Reed never meant the 5 p.m. deadline to be cast in stone and that he may or may not extend an executive order allowing the protesters to remain in the park.

"I won't follow his deadline, said Diallo Burke, 20, of College Park. "If Martin Luther King, the civil rights movement, had listened to the people in power, things would never have changed," said Burke, who said he had to drop out of college because of lack of money.

Monday marked Day 10 for the Occupy Atlanta protesters -- primarily young adults and students, the unemployed and homeless people. It's an outgrowth of a national movement led by the Occupy Wall Street protests targeting what activists call greed on Wall Street and the lack of job creation on Main Street.

On Saturday morning, around 200 people attended the Occupy Atlanta protest at the state Capitol in Atlanta.

On Monday, Keith Dillard,who works on the detail to provide meals to fellow protesters, said he also planned to ignore any deadlines to leave the park. "I've been here since day one, and I'm gonna be here," said Dillard, who says he is homeless.

Jaye Davis said he has camped out in the park for three days, but Monday would probably be his last day. "I have to go to dialysis in Marietta. I've been walking around asking people to help me get bus fare to get to dialysis, but no one will help me," he said. Davis said he felt betrayed by fellow campers who refuse to help when he thought the whole point of Occupy Atlanta was to come together to help each other. "They say they don't have it, but don't believe them."

But Joan Allen, 49, of College Park, said she would leave the park when the mayor sets a firm deadline.

"I was raised right, to respect the law," said Allen, who says she receives a monthly disability check of $649, that is barely enough to live on. "I didn't come here to make myself look bad or make Mayor Reed look bad," she said. "But they need to understand that it could be them that's homeless and losing their job. It's really hard, and it's getting harder."

 

[KingK]

Goddamn some of the media coverage is starting to piss me off. I just saw a Yahoo article titled "One month in, protesters yet to topple capitalism." Who the hell is saying they want to eliminate capitalism?

 

[alstein]

Go spend 18 months in the deserts of Iraq then come back and tell me how you had your shirt buttoned the whole time. LOL!

As for the vet. I agree with his sentiment and his methods. The cops need to see a war hero and hear his scolding. Maybe it will give them a bit of perspective on their actions. Cops mostly see civilians as cattle. Maybe if a soldier publicly shames them, it will sink in that the way they treat protestors is wrong.

That stuff happens in the AF though on deployment. That said, a lot of vets support OWS, a lot of vets join the military because they got screwed as civilians, and the military's a great way to get a 2nd chance/decent life.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Goddamn some of the media coverage is starting to piss me off. I just saw a Yahoo article titled "One month in, protesters yet to topple capitalism." Who the hell is saying they want to eliminate capitalism?

Ummm well they have...

Article is still stupid, but some of them actually HAVE said that.

 

[AstroLad]

They need to reframe the narrative because these are the same places that were saying lol nobody will go to this and showing the pics of a handful of people there when it first started. The backpedaling has been immensely entertaining to watch.

 

[Alpha-Bromega]

Ummm well they have...

Article is still stupid, but some of them actually HAVE said that.

when people say they want to end capitalism, they usually mean crony capitalism or corporatism, so eliminate what we have right now as well as add some social and infrastructure services.

you have to remember, in the US, literally anything that isn't the Gilded Age is nearing Communism.

I'm all for destroying Corporatist Capitalism and placing the focus on the community level, allowing small businesses and brave entrepeneurs innovate while neutering Wal Marts and other business killers. Capitalism isn't moving a giant warehouse store, undercutting to destroy local businesses, etc. etc.

 

[remnant]

when people say they want to end capitalism, they usually mean crony capitalism or corporatism, so eliminate what we have right now as well as add some social and infrastructure services.

you have to remember, in the US, literally anything that isn't the Gilded Age is nearing Communism.

I'm all for destroying Corporatist Capitalism and placing the focus on the community level, allowing small businesses and brave entrepeneurs innovate while neutering Wal Marts and other business killers. Capitalism isn't moving a giant warehouse store, undercutting to destroy local businesses, etc. etc.

You can't say you support capatalism on one hand, and then on the other hand say you want to cripple it.

You can't have your 1950's main street climate where people go to 50 different stores for sunday dinner and the internet doesn't exist anymore

 

[empty vessel]

You can't say you support capatalism on one hand, and then on the other hand say you want to cripple it.

You can't have your 1950's main street climate where people go to 50 different stores for sunday dinner and the internet doesn't exist anymore

You can regulate corporate behavior, including getting them out of the political system entirely except at the express invitation of representatives at public hearings.

 

[richiek]

You can't say you support capatalism on one hand, and then on the other hand say you want to cripple it.

You can't have your 1950's main street climate where people go to 50 different stores for sunday dinner and the internet doesn't exist anymore

That's not what Alpha-Bromega's saying at all.

What I believe he's saying is that any attempt to level the playing field to curb social inequality has been branded as "socialism" and "class warfare" in the US.

 

[alstein]

The current system of capitalims is not the free market.

 

[remnant]

You can regulate corporate behavior, including getting them out of the political system entirely except at the express invitation of representatives at public hearings.

No you can't. Regulators can tell companies what they can and cannot do but having the government badge "regulator" does not mean you can perfectly plan an economy.

That's not what Alpha-Bromega's saying at all.

Except that exactly what he said.

placing the focus on the community level, allowing small businesses and brave entrepeneurs innovate while neutering Wal Marts and other business killers

Business killers being bigger, stronger, faster competitors like your Wal-mart, your costco's, your amazon.coms, etc etc..

That's not even taking into account businesses that have been "killed" by consumer technology like phones and computers.

 

[JzeroT1437]

Here's some photos I took at the Times Square Rally

Sparlers at 5:59

Masqueraders

Times Square Subway Stop

Climbing the statue

Made it to the top

The cops brought in the horse squad

Channeling the French Revolution

 

[Evlar]

Except that exactly what he said.



Business killers being bigger, stronger, faster competitors like your Wal-mart, your costco's, your amazon.coms, etc etc..

That's not even taking into account businesses that have been "killed" by consumer technology like phones and computers.

I'll go on the record here as believing crippling Wal-Mart does not necessarily mean crippling capitalism. Capitalism just might be able to survive in a Wal-Martless world.

 

[AndyD]

No you can't. Regulators can tell companies what they can and cannot do but having the government badge "regulator" does not mean you can perfectly plan an economy.

I think he probably means more on the side of reform campaign funding to eliminate corporate participation, to remove influence and keep the government representatives from being beholden to their mega contributors.

 

[Marleyman]

when people say they want to end capitalism, they usually mean crony capitalism or corporatism, so eliminate what we have right now as well as add some social and infrastructure services.

Exactly.

 

[empty vessel]

No you can't. Regulators can tell companies what they can and cannot do but having the government badge "regulator" does not mean you can perfectly plan an economy.

You aren't being very clear or coherent. What is the point you are trying to make?

 

[remnant]

I'll go on the record here as believing crippling Wal-Mart does not necessarily mean crippling capitalism. Capitalism just might be able to survive in a Wal-Martless world.

Oh we will survive. It will just suck not having a wal-mart just like it sucked not having an amazon.com which has killed just as many jobs as Walmart or personal computers that also automated and shrank many professions.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Jzero, nice pics!!

 

[TurboLibre]

The cops aren't doing anything during this and that guy is having a meltdown.

He looks really unstable.

Listen to the end. When he gives an interview he says he saw the police hurting the protestors, which sparked his outrage.

 

[remnant]

You aren't being very clear or coherent. What is the point you are trying to make?

My point is pretty clear. You can't "regulate" corporate behavior as you put it.You can't use regulators to cripple companies into place and work it into some system where companies don't grow.

 

[Wazzim]

My point is pretty clear. You can't "regulate" corporate behavior as you put it.You can't use regulators to cripple companies into place and work it into some system where companies don't grow.

Bullshit. Regulation isn't crippling companies, it's making them more stable. Companies in Europe grew even though the harsh regulations on pretty much everything, how do ya explain that? Magic? We don't have fucking magic, we killed all the witches in the dark ages man.

@Jzero Very nice, I especially like the last one.

 

[remnant]

Bullshit. Regulation isn't crippling companies, it's making them more stable. Companies in Europe grew even though the harsh regulations on pretty much everything, how do ya explain that? Magic? We don't have fucking magic, we killed all the witches in the dark ages man.

European nations are some of the least regulated in the world. Many of them less regulated then we are.

 

[kame-sennin]

A Marine and Iraq War veteran stands up to the NYPD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9HvJhilJzo&feature=player_embedded

Amazing video.

 

[empty vessel]

My point is pretty clear. You can't "regulate" corporate behavior as you put it.You can't use regulators to cripple companies into place and work it into some system where companies don't grow.

I honestly do not have a clue what you're talking about. Are you saying that capitalism and regulation are incompatible? That regulated capitalism is not capitalism? Something else entirely?

Personally, I'm not a capitalist, and have no problem doing away with it entirely, but I don't imagine that's likely to be on the table at all. And I am happy to compromise and support reform of the capitalist system.

 

[Wazzim]

Holy crap some cop hits a protester again. The cop seemed surprised himself, I don't think he meant to hit him that hard.

European nations are some of the least regulated in the world. Many of them less regulated then we are.

I guess I live in a different Europe then.

 

[Squirrel Killer]

You can regulate corporate behavior, including getting them out of the political system entirely except at the express invitation of representatives at public hearings.

It's hilarious how divergent your and my views on regulating political speech are. (And I mean that non-dismissively.) I'm totally fine with Citizens United, if anything, I'd ban inviting corporations to congressional hearings.

A lot of OWS reminds me of a story of how representatives (many of them lawyers) view themselves from HL Richardson's What Makes You Think We Read the Bills?:

Having represented both sides of many issues for years, many lawyers assume the posture of judges rather than representatives. They attend committees and evaluate the information presented. They listen to the pros and cons, then make their decisions. If a bill has no opposition they usually vote for it.

This is exemplified by one hearing held before the senate's Committee on Education. All of the teacher's lobby groups, the special-interest groups in education, and a legion of representatives from the Department of Education were on hand to introduce hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of new educational programs they wished to implement. They all were in harmony over the "need" for these new programs. Nobody came before the committee to argue against them or against increased expenditures: no tax group was in evidence no citizens group on fiscal responsibility in education--nobody.

After the proponents argued their case, the chairman asked if there was any opposition to the proposed legislation. Of course, there was none. I asked as many questions as I could, enough to satisfy my mind that these programs weren't justified. The vote was taken and I was the only no vote in the committee.

When the committee hearing was over, I was walking down the corridors with one of the members of the Education Committee, a fellow Republican lawyer.

"You know, Bill," he said, "it is too bad that people don't have anybody up here to represent them before these committees."

"Who the heck do you think you are?" I responded. (my emp.)

Yeah, yeah, he's an evil Republican and all, but that story highlights what seems to be a very valid underlying source of discontent as shown through OWS. Namely, that representatives don't seem to represent the people. My fear is that this will translate into some meaningless ineffectual electoral reform like changing to instant runoff elections.

At this point, my greatest hope for OWS is reform to police attitudes and tactics.

 

[remnant]

I honestly do not have a clue what you're talking about. Are you saying that capitalism and regulation are incompatible? That regulated capitalism is not capitalism? Something else entirely?

Personally, I'm not a capitalist, and have no problem doing away with it entirely, but I don't imagine that's likely to be on the table at all. And I am happy to compromise and support reform of the capitalist system.

Then we should just stop this conversation because I can't make it anymore clear. You can't regulate, your words here, not mine "corporate behavior"

Bromega said he wanted to see companies he dislikes "neutered." Regulating a company solely to protect another is not capitalism.

Why you jumped in when you don't even seem to know what was being discussed is a mystery to me.

I guess I live in a different Europe then.

Actually I'm guess you don't know the amount of regulation in your country compared to America. You are just assuming this based off a stereotype.

 

[SouthernDragon]

You can't say you support capatalism on one hand, and then on the other hand say you want to cripple it.

We can. It's called "moderation." I want regulated capitalism, which is what we have. I'd like it a bit more regulated, though.

No you can't. Regulators can tell companies what they can and cannot do but having the government badge "regulator" does not mean you can perfectly plan an economy.

Not sure anyone argued that. We know of the disasters that were the 5 Year Plans.

European nations are some of the least regulated in the world. Many of them less regulated then we are.

I'm genuinely interested. From what I understand, many industries are under heavy regulation in Europe. What industries are lightly regulated in comparison to the U.S. and/or the rest of the developed countries?

 

[Enron]

Holy crap some cop hits a protester again. The cop seemed surprised himself, I don't think he meant to hit him that hard.





I guess I live in a different Europe then.

I don't know what went on before that video started, but right before the cop punches the protester the protester has got their hands all up on the cop and knocks the cop's left arm away. Want to guarantee you get hit and subdued by a cop? Put your hands on him.

 

[AndyD]

Then we should just stop this conversation because I can't make it anymore clear. You can't regulate, your words here, not mine "corporate behavior"

Bromega said he wanted to see companies he dislikes "neutered." Regulating a company solely to protect another is not capitalism.

Why you jumped in when you don't even seem to know what was being discussed is a mystery to me.


Actually I'm guess you don't know the amount of regulation in your country compared to America. You are just assuming this based off a stereotype.

I dont think he meant it literally. As in "bank of america shall have blue carpet in all rooms" but more general in the sense of corporate rights and behavior can be limited and curtailed through regulation.

"You can't dump waste into rivers" is certainly a way to regulate what companies do with waste and thus their behavior.

And I am also interested in your claim of light European regulation. If anything it the opposite.

 

[Miggytronz]

I don't know what went on before that video started, but right before the cop punches the protester the protester has got their hands all up on the cop and knocks the cop's left arm away. Want to guarantee you get hit and subdued by a cop? Put your hands on him.

This, almost looked like a shove.

 

[theBishop]

http://phillyoccupation.org/pics - lots of pics from Philadelphia.

 

[Tesseract]

i want to occupy but i don't want to get hurt. am i a coward?

fight the good fight, my brothers and sisters.

 

[empty vessel]

Then we should just stop this conversation because I can't make it anymore clear. You can't regulate, your words here, not mine "corporate behavior"

Bromega said he wanted to see companies he dislikes "neutered." Regulating a company solely to protect another is not capitalism.

Why you jumped in when you don't even seem to know what was being discussed is a mystery to me.

Regulations are entity-neutral. They govern conduct at a general level. However, because corporations are public institutions that have existence due to the public's grant of a charter, the public does indeed have the prerogative to end a corporation's existence with the stroke of a pen by revoking its charter and it may do so for any reason whatsoever. This was traditionally one way in which corporations were regulated in the US. The granting of a corporate charter is a grant of power, and with that grant of power is an attendant responsibility to oversee that power's exercise.

I still don't know what you mean when you say one cannot regulate corporate behavior.

I don't know what went on before that video started, but right before the cop punches the protester the protester has got their hands all up on the cop and knocks the cop's left arm away. Want to guarantee you get hit and subdued by a cop? Put your hands on him.

Seriously, there is something wrong with you. What you described is unobservable in the video posted, so there must be something that caused you to invent that. Is it just a general impulse to authoritarianism?

 

[remnant]

I'm genuinely interested. From what I understand, many industries are under heavy regulation in Europe. What industries are lightly regulated in comparison to the U.S. and/or the rest of the developed countries?

Take your pick. Technology, Agriculture, Manufacturing, labor laws, financial investment, foreign and domestic, freedom in terms of opening, licensing an closing a business.

I think most people conflate state ownership of something with it being heavily regulated when that isn't really the case.

There are some European countries that are remarkably more regulated than the U.S. like france, but it is not the norm(and it's more government and unions passing regulatory laws on business than government trying to control the growth fo the economy