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[Dude Abides]

No, I think you still hold the record for the Walmart taser thread.

So you're mad that the lack of tasings in Zuccotti park has left you bereft of masturbation fodder?

 

[empty vessel]

So who will OWS be voting for? I think it's fair to say a majority of them will wind up voting for Obama, if they vote at all.

I don't think it matters who individuals involved in OWS vote for. The point of OWS is not to form a voting block or to elect specific individuals but to continue demanding that representatives--whoever they are--address the issues. That's not to say that there won't be electoral consequences from OWS, but those should (and if the movement is successful will) come organically. Electoral politics is not and should not be OWS's concern. OWS's concern should be making substantive demands. (And by "demands" I do not mean propose detailed legislation, I mean convey popular demands in clear and simple terms, a la "end corporate rule.")

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

So you're mad that the lack of tasings in Zuccotti park has left you bereft of masturbation fodder?

See I said you were still bitter about the Walmart thread. For those wondering the Walmart thread featured a justified use of a tazer, and extremely belligerent and stupid suspects. Everyone pretty much agreed on that, but Dude Abides couldn't stand that and tried (unsuccessfully) to troll the thread suggesting the poor should be sterilized, unless he wasn't trolling and actually believes that.

 

[Jenga]

And by "demands" I do not mean propose detailed legislation, I mean convey popular demands in clear and simple terms, a la "end corporate rule"

what about end the fed

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I don't think it matters who individuals involved in OWS vote for. The point of OWS is not to form a voting block or to elect specific individuals but to continue demanding that representatives--whoever they are--address the issues. That's not to say that there won't be electoral consequences from OWS, but those should (and if the movement is successful will) come organically. Electoral politics is not and should not be OWS's concern. OWS's concern should be making substantive demands. (And by "demands" I do not mean propose detailed legislation, I mean convey popular demands in clear and simple terms, a la "end corporate rule.")

So basically they're not going to achieve anything because, if there are no consequences for ignoring the squatters, why would anyone use or listen to them except to get free votes.

In the end if Obama wants to throw his lot in with these squatters. I'll just vote Republican, barring some truly horrific nominee. I'll also actively work and encourage others to do the same.

That's not bitterness that's expressing disagreement with a decision and taking concrete steps to communicate that message through normal political channels.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

See I said you were still bitter about the Walmart thread. For those wondering the Walmart thread featured a justified use of a tazer, and extremely belligerent and stupid suspects. Everyone pretty much agree on that, but Dude Abides couldn't stand that and tried (unsuccessfully) to troll the thread suggesting the poor should be sterilized, unless he wasn't trolling and actually believes that.

So is all this you've been doing payback trolling or what?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

So is all this you've been doing payback trolling or what?

No, just explaining context in his case.

 

[Jak140]

what about end the fed

That is a side issue of a subset of the protesters. The unifying demand is not even a demand so much as it is a statement that government should represent the interests of the many over those of the monied.

 

[kame-sennin]

I couldn't honestly care less if you're getting money from wall street. The president took large amounts of money form WS, but believes that it's the middle class that should be helped directly.

I think it matters more what you do with that money rather where you're getting it from.

Obama failed to prosecute Wall Street or enact significant reforms after the bailouts. Corporate money is clearly influencing him in a way that harms the middle class.

 

[Dude Abides]

See I said you were still bitter about the Walmart thread. For those wondering the Walmart thread featured a justified use of a tazer, and extremely belligerent and stupid suspects. Everyone pretty much agree on that, but Dude Abides couldn't stand that and tried (unsuccessfully) to troll the thread suggesting the poor should be sterilized, unless he wasn't trolling and actually believes that.

I don't think anyone here really cares about your taser fetish, tbh.

If there aren't enough videos of police beatings for you to get off, surely some Muslim somewhere has been killed by the US military. Try looking for pics of that.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I don't think anyone here really cares about your taser fetish, tbh.

If there aren't enough videos of police beatings for you to get off, surely some Muslim somewhere has been killed by the US military. Try looking for pics of that.

See this is the bitterness I'm talking about. I mean accusing someone of being a racist who isn't, see that's the sign of a very bitter person.

We need to work through your problems here.

 

[cooljeanius]

it's already been co-opted by libertarians, marxists, zeigeist, etc

getting co-opted by democrats sounds like a drop in a barrel

Getting co-opted by the Democrats would be so much better than any of those other options you listed.

 

[akira28]

So is all this you've been doing payback trolling or what?

He has taken time to bring up the hard time that LiberalGAF gave the Tea Partiers, so yeah, pretty sure this is something to do with that. He isn't even the hero they deserve, though. But I guess we're going to catch hell because we made fun of TPS.

 

[Jenga]

That is a side issue of a subset of the protesters. The unifying demand is not even a demand so much as it is a statement that government should represent the interests of the many over those of the monied.

uh huh

well don't start crying when the politicians all agree with the movement but then do nothing, or do very ineffectual reform just to sate people

 

[Jak140]

uh huh

well don't start crying when the politicians all agree with the movement but then do nothing, or do very ineffectual reform just to sate people

If no effective reforms are made and the condition of the country continues to deteriorate, I would hope and expect that the protests will grow rather than dissipate until effective positive changes are made.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

He has taken time to bring up the hard time that LiberalGAF gave the Tea Partiers, so yeah, pretty sure this is something to do with that. He isn't even the hero they deserve, though. But I guess we're going to catch hell because we made fun of TPS.

We'll it depends what type of Third Person Shooters you're talking about.

Kidding aside the irony is barring anything in the future I'm a registered Democrat who pretty much has voted the same as most ofl the people complaining.

That's why everyone has to say I'm a Tea Partier or something of the sort, the other (and actual) explanation bothers them too much.

 

[noah111]

OK i'm not sure how related one is to the other but what is this 'Green Party' stuff i've been hearing about? Is it new, old, or have anything to do with the Occupy movement? Some stuff i've seen seems legit.

 

[akira28]

We'll it depends what type of Third Person Shooters you're talking about.

Kidding aside the irony is barring anything in the future I'm a registered Democrat who pretty much has voted the same as most ofl the people complaining.

That's why everyone has to say I'm a Tea Partier or something of the sort, the other (and actual) explanation bothers them too much.

Registered Independent, former Bush supporter here, HW, not the retard. And I vote with my wallet and my fists.

Whats so ironic about you being a registered Dem? So was Lieberman.

 

[alstein]

Nothing to do with OWS, It's Ralph Nader's party which he co-opted from the environmentalists- really minor deal.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

OK i'm not sure how related one is to the other but what is this 'Green Party' stuff i've been hearing about? Is it new, old, or have anything to do with the Occupy movement? Some stuff i've seen seems legit.

Green Party in the traditional European sense or in the US sense (which has never been successful)?

 

[Dude Abides]

See this is the bitterness I'm talking about. I mean accusing someone of being a racist who isn't, see that's the sign of a very bitter person.

We need to work through your problems here.

What on earth are you talking about? Your weird fetish for violence has nothing to do with race, and I never suggested otherwise. Is this the kind of logic they teach at third-tier law schools?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Registered Independent, former Bush supporter here, HW, not the retard.

Whats so ironic about you being a registered Dem? So was Lieberman.

Not the registration (Heck, I think Paul Woflwitz keeps his as Dem in honor of Henry Jackson), but the voting pattern.

 

[DJ88]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but I just saw this when driving on the interstate in Miami.

http://www.ihiphop.com/?p=108315

 

[noah111]

Green Party in the traditional European sense or in the US sense (which has never been successful)?

So I assume they've been around for a while then.. that's unfortunate, from what i've heard it seems like the utopian/perfect political party. So sick of the Repub/Dems, it's all the same bullshit to me now.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

What on earth are you talking about? Your weird fetish for violence has nothing to do with race, and I never suggested otherwise. Is this the kind of logic they teach at third-tier law schools?

If there aren't enough videos of police beatings for you to get off, surely some Muslim somewhere has been killed by the US military. Try looking for pics of that.

What does being Muslim have to do with it?

The little touch of elitism is cute too. Actually I went to same law school as lawblob.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

So I assume they've been around for a while then.. that's unfortunate, from what i've heard it seems like the utopian/perfect political party. So sick of the Repub/Dems, it's all the same bullshit to me now.

Yep, they're the reason George W. Bush got to be President in a sense.

 

[Dude Abides]

What does being Muslim have to do with it?

Race? Nothing. That's what made your whine so bizarre.

The little touch of elitism is cute too. Actually I went to same law school as lawblob.

So bitter and humorless. After the top 15 or so I stop caring.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

uh huh

well don't start crying when the politicians all agree with the movement but then do nothing, or do very ineffectual reform just to sate people

I understand what you're saying but it's been said a million different ways before and it all still boils down to this strange, stubborn sort of apathy. Not supporting a generally good cause (and I'm sorry but I do consider curbing the cozy relationship between government and business a good cause) because in the end you don't think it'll achieve anything of significance makes absolutely no sense to me, even more so if you instead choose to sit behind a monitor and talk shit about others who aren't as jaded as you.

Spoiler

That last part wasn't directed at you, just a general observation

If you think our government needs to change then there's really no reason not to support something like this, even if it is just in solidarity. If you think the movement needs more specific goals, throw some out there. If all you're going to do is mock protestors for what they wear, pick the silliest and/or most fringe of a crowd and hold everyone out there acountable for them, or just generally be a dick and stroke yourself to the thought of police batons and expired permits, then at least just admit you have an axe to grind and move on.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is going to be the next Million Man March or anything. It could very well fizzle out by the end of the year. I'm just not gonna hope for that. It'd be a lost opportunity.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Race? Nothing. That's what made your whine so bizarre.

Then why did you include Muslim in the description? You seem to be implying that it means something more than just someone killed by the US military. You obviously assigned value to it or otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it at all.

So bitter and humorless. After the top 15 or so I stop caring.

So elitist and very bitter.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is going to be the next Million Man March or anything. It could very well fizzle out by the end of the year. I'm just not gonna hope for that. It'd be a lost opportunity.

What did the Million Man March accomplish? Besides sadly giving Loius Farrakan the appearance of legitimacy and respectability.

 

[Amibguous Cad]

my goal post of the movement has never changed, the movement still needs to find its message and drop off the co-opting libertarians and other 3rd parties trying to leech off it

as long as the movement's demands remain vague so will the promises made by politicians remain vague

Personally, I'm hoping the demands remain vague because these people have no clue how to fix the economy. Any policy prescriptions they give will inevitably be terrible.

They're still needed because someone's got to convince policymakers who actually know what they're doing how terrible the economy's gotten for those without a college degree and the young. There's been a big lack of urgency from policymakers after '08 and '09 to getting back to full employment, especially by the federal reserve, which ahs seemed content to stay pat on its goal of preventing inflation rather than fulfilling its dual mandate. Convince them there's actually a problem and we're likely to see some decent results.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

What did the Million Man March accomplish? Besides sadly giving Loius Farrakan the appearance of legitimacy and respectability.

Oy.

 

[Dude Abides]

Then why did you include Muslim in the description? You seem to be implying that it means something more than just someone killed by the US military. You obviously assigned value to it or otherwise you wouldn't have mentioned it at all.

Who else have we been killing in the last 10 years?

So elitist and very bitter.

I am certainly not going to yield to the soft bigotry of low expectations just to spare the tender feelings of mediocrities who think Thomas Cooley is as good as Yale. Don't let the bitterness consume you.

 

[empty vessel]

So basically they're not going to achieve anything because, if there are no consequences for ignoring the squatters, why would anyone use or listen to them except to get free votes.

If that's how politics worked, I would agree, but it isn't.

In the end if Obama wants to throw his lot in with these squatters. I'll just vote Republican, barring some truly horrific nominee. I'll also actively work and encourage others to do the same.

That's not bitterness that's expressing disagreement with a decision and taking concrete steps to communicate that message through normal political channels.

That would be a sign of the political effectiveness of OWS, in my opinion.

 

[bjb]

That would be a sign of the political effectiveness of OWS, in my opinion.

Yep, alining with and voting against their own self interest.

"Occupy" success achieved?

 

[kame-sennin]

I understand what you're saying but it's been said a million different ways before and it all still boils down to this strange, stubborn sort of apathy. Not supporting a generally good cause (and I'm sorry but I do consider curbing the cozy relationship between government and business a good cause) because in the end you don't think it'll achieve anything of significance makes absolutely no sense to me, even more so if you instead choose to sit behind a monitor and talk shit about others who aren't as jaded as you.

Spoiler

That last part wasn't directed at you, just a general observation

If you think our government needs to change then there's really no reason not to support something like this, even if it is just in solidarity. If you think the movement needs more specific goals, throw some out there. If all you're going to do is mock protestors for what they wear, pick the silliest and/or most fringe of a crowd and hold everyone out there acountable for them, or just generally be a dick and stroke yourself to the thought of police batons and expired permits, then at least just admit you have an axe to grind and move on.

Great post. If people think OWS could be better, make a suggestion. There is contact information in the OP. You can email the information center or head down there yourself.

Yep, alining with and voting against their own self interest.

"Occupy" success achieved?

He was talking about Obama acquiescing to OWS demands.

 

[Enron]

I don't think anyone here really cares about your taser fetish, tbh.

If there aren't enough videos of police beatings for you to get off, surely some Muslim somewhere has been killed by the US military. Try looking for pics of that.

Jesus Christ, that's awful. Was that sort of thing really necessary?

 

[empty vessel]

Yep, alining with and voting against their own self interest.

"Occupy" success achieved?

Manos is deeply conservative. If he leaves the Democratic party for the Republican party, it means the Democratic party is moving left. That is success.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Oy.

I mean besides the march itself (and the number there).

Who else have we been killing in the last 10 years?

We've been trying to get a Ugandan warlord for a while and we've been "helping out" countries fighting Narco's in South America. You shouldn't have such a myopic view of the world.

I am certainly not going to yield to the soft bigotry of low expectations just to spare the tender feelings of mediocrities who think Thomas Cooley is as good as Yale. Don't let the bitterness consume you.

Who said I went to Thomas Cooley? That said if you think just because you went to Yale somehow the classes are better and you somehow innately knows more than a student of similar skill and academic success at say another law school, than you really didn't learn much.

None the less, if you're still caring about your law school's ranking after you graduate and have a job, than I feel bad for you son.

 

[Pctx]

I don't think anyone here really cares about your taser fetish, tbh.

If there aren't enough videos of police beatings for you to get off, surely some Muslim somewhere has been killed by the US military. Try looking for pics of that.

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I'm outta here.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Manos is actually not deeply conservative. If he leaves the Democratic party for the Republican party, it means the Democratic party is moving to the extreme left. That will untimely not be a success.

Fixed that for you.

Remember Reagan Democrats. Going to far the left or right (look at Goldwater) is ultimately a self-destructive policy.

 

[Jak140]

Yep, they're the reason George W. Bush got to be President in a sense.

There's some truth in that, but is there also not some truth in saying that the countervailing notion is why we have two deeply entrenched parties, neither of which seems to be the least bit interested in investigating and prosecuting the progentors and defrauding beneficieries of the financial crisis? It's damned if you don't, even more damned if you do. If only the public at large had some way of expressing their rightfully immense dissatisfaction...

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

There's some truth in that, but is there also not some truth in saying that the countervailing notion is why we have two deeply entrenched parties, neither of which seems to be the least bit interested in investigating and prosecuting the progentors and defrauding benificieries of the financial crisis? It's damned if you don't, even more damned if you do. If only the public at large had some way of expressing their rightfully immense dissatisfaction...

I understand, I meant more in the sense of getting Nader widespread ballot access and (admittedly small) Green Party voters.

 

[empty vessel]

Fixed that for you.

Remember Reagan Democrats. Going to far the left or right (look at Goldwater) is ultimately a self-destructive policy.

The Democratic party is a center right party. For the Democrats, "moving left" would mean moving towards the center. Of course, ideally, the party does indeed move farther into the left where it used to be before the 1970s.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Fixed that for you.

Remember Reagan Democrats. Going to far the left or right (look at Goldwater) is ultimately a self-destructive policy.

I'm gonna try not to put this in a dickish way but seeing the current Democratic party and "extreme left" in the same sentence is ridiculous.

 

[timetokill]

so are you a libertarian or what?

No, though I agree with them on several issues. I don't think it makes sense to demonize them like you do.

 

[Dude Abides]

We've been trying to get a Ugandan warlord for a while and we've been "helping out" countries fighting Narco's in South America. You shouldn't have such a myopic view of the world.

And still not enough flag-waving and authoritarian violence to satisfy you. Perhaps your thirst for that kind of thing is insatiable.

Who said I went to Thomas Cooley? That said if you think just because you went to Yale somehow the classes are better and you somehow innately knows more than a student of similar skill and academic success at say another law school, than you really didn't learn much.

None the less, if you're still caring about your law school's ranking after you graduate and have a job, than I feel bad for you son.

Apparently you aced the practicum in tone-deafness and extreme literalism.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I'm gonna try not to put this in a dickish way but seeing the current Democratic party and "extreme left" in the same sentence is ridiculous.

It creates the appearance of it because of the fact that the OWS people are by and large far left. When you incorporate a large number of one group as the new banner or front piece of your party (even if for only election purposes), people start to view the main party as close to that.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

And still not enough flag-waving and authoritarian violence to satisfy you. Perhaps your thirst for that kind of thing is insatiable.

Sure....whatever you say...yeah.

Apparently you aced the practicum in tone-deafness and extreme literalism.

You post on Above the Law's comment section don't you?

 

[bjb]

If there aren't enough videos of police beatings for you to get off, surely some Muslim somewhere has been killed by the US military. Try looking for pics of that..

Utterly disturbing comment.

Between this guy and that other cop-hating clown (Empty Vessel), OWS crowd really starting to show their true colors.