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[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

When you are every other post, it's hard to ignore. Well, there is one way to solve that....

Except it means that I can post anything I want and you won't see it to retort. To any poster just chancing it, it will look like you are afraid or unable to articulate a response. There is a downside to the ignore button too. That said if you're going to use it, than use it.

 

[el retorno]

First official statement. Guess they are getting organized after all, eh Manos?

http://anoncentral.tumblr.com/post/10909003533/first-official-statement-from-the-occupywallstreet

These people really don´t understand why the tea party and other protests actally get what they want. They´ll complain that they´re ignored or that they´re ¨supressed¨but in reallity they are a hogepodge of lefties that don´t realize the contry is not in agreement with them.


And really they are using anon? lol.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

It's hard to stay dry in the rain.

Thanks for the response!

 

[CHEEZMO™]

Except it means that I can post anything I want and you won't see it to retort. To any poster just chancing it, it will look like you are afraid or unable to articulate a response. There is a downside to the ignore button too. That said if you're going to use it, than use it.

Or a threadshitting spammer with delusions of adequacy.

 

[cooljeanius]

Except it means that I can post anything I want and you won't see it to retort. To any poster just chancing it, it will look like you are afraid or unable to articulate a response. There is a downside to the ignore button too. That said if you're going to use it, than use it.

I think he was referring to having a mod ban you, not using the ignore button...

 

[lawlohwhat]

Except it means that I can post anything I want and you won't see it to retort. To any poster just chancing it, it will look like you are afraid or unable to articulate a response. There is a downside to the ignore button too. That said if you're going to use it, than use it.

done

 

[Karma Kramer]

I demand Manos summarize his purpose for posting so much in this thread. If you just want to rile up people for sake of entertainment, then shame on you.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I think he was referring to having a mod ban you, not using the ignore button...

No mod so far has said anything in public or private to me, if they did I would of course listen to what they said.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

I demand Manos summarize his purpose for posting so much in this thread. If you just want to rile up people for sake of entertainment, then shame on you.

Because he has an over-inflated sense of self worth.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I demand Manos summarize his purpose for posting so much in this thread. If you just want to rile up people for sake of entertainment, then shame on you.

Criticizing a poorly planned and badly organized protest with a lack of any real central plan or theme.

 

[Karma Kramer]

No mod so far has said anything in public or private to me, if they did I would of course listen to what they said.

lol, you listen to authority, but refuse to listen to the majority of people in this thread. Are you a fascist?

 

[Joe]

Because he has an over-inflated sense of self worth.

but he's got a law degree!!! (in case you don't know that by now....)

 

[cooljeanius]

lol, you listen to authority, but refuse to listen to the majority of people in this thread. Are you a fascist?

That's tantamount to asking if this forum is fascist.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

lol, you listen to authority, but refuse to listen to the majority of people in this thread. Are you a fascist?

Following the TOS on a private message board isn't fascist.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

I see no crows 'round these parts.

 

[Karma Kramer]

Criticizing a poorly planned and badly organized protest with a lack of any real central plan or theme.

I think the central theme is pretty obvious and I suspect you have qualms with this theme or you would be more supportive and positive. You are cynic for the sake of stirring up the pot, you have no intention to take part in this protest even if it had better planning and organization. You also ignore the unwillingness of the media to give this protest real coverage, compared to the tea party, which has been covered by and large due to large financial backing from the Koch Bros.

 

[akira28]

but he's got a law degree!!! (in case you don't know that by now....)

Goddamit why didn't anybody warn me?

Words are like fuel to them.

 

[XMonkey]

He's being an ass for the sake of being an ass and since he has nothing to contribute, might as well just add him to your ignore list. I actually like reading his posts in other threads, so it's too bad.

Spoiler

I'll now await his smarmy response.

 

[SolKane]

These people really don´t understand why the tea party and other protests actally get what they want. They´ll complain that they´re ignored or that they´re ¨supressed¨but in reallity they are a hogepodge of lefties that don´t realize the contry is not in agreement with them.

The tea party is backed by some very wealthy, influential people, which it owes its continued success to. It has nothing to do with a consensus about they stand for.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

He's being an ass for the sake of being an ass and since he has nothing to contribute, might as well just add him to your ignore list. I actually like reading his posts in other threads, so it's too bad.

Spoiler

I'll now await his smarmy response.

Which is why I'm willing to make a deal, one that benefits everyone. When someone makes another topic, and if people make no references to me. I will totally and completely ignore it and not post one bit, regardless of what events occur or subsequent developments there are.

Is that fair to everyone? How is that for a compromise?

 

[Jangocube]

Because he has an over-inflated sense of self worth.

Pretty much.

And I wasn't referring to banning him, just ignoring. This thread looks quite crazy with all the ignored posts haha.

 

[remnant]

I think the central theme is pretty obvious and I suspect you have qualms with this theme or you would be more supportive and positive. You are cynic for the sake of stirring up the pot, you have no intention to take part in this protest even if it had better planning and organization. You also ignore the unwillingness of the media to give this protest real coverage, compared to the tea party, which has been covered by and large due to large financial backing from the Koch Bros.

people still believe in the koch boogeyman?

Let's be honest, this thread would have died a thousand deaths if it wasn't for Manos.

 

[Joe]

people still believe in the koch boogeyman?

Let's be honest, this thread would have died a thousand deaths if it wasn't for Manos.

uhhh I personally would have participated more without manos....

 

[Karma Kramer]

Which is why I'm willing to make a deal, one that benefits everyone. When someone makes another topic, and if people make no references to me. I will totally and completely ignore it and not post one bit, regardless of what events occur or subsequent developments there are.

Is that fair to everyone? How is that for a compromise?

How about stop it period. You continuously disrupt the conversation so its more about Manos and not this movement, if you don't want people to make references to you, don't post 300 times in a thread about a protest you seem to not give a shit about.

 

[Something Wicked]

Occupy Maine? Really?... What the hell is there to occupy in Maine?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

How about stop it period. You continuously disrupt the conversation so its more about Manos and not this movement, if you don't want people to make references to you, don't post 300 times in a thread about a protest you seem to not give a shit about.

The offer still stands.

 

[remnant]

uhhh I personally would have participated more without manos....

with what? What has manos or anyone who criticized aspects of this protest done to prevent you from posting here?

 

[Karma Kramer]

people still believe in the koch boogeyman?

What isn't true about the Kochs being involved with funding the tea party?

 

[el retorno]

The tea party is backed by some very wealthy, influential people, which it owes its continued success to. It has nothing to do with a consensus about they stand for.

Name me the things in that manefesto that you would even get 50 percent support on in a national poll.

You can sit and blame the rich people for bankrolling the teaparty (which they have) but it wont make your failed protest successful.

The tea party is a sucess because they have a broad message that most people agree with (less government). You can tell me that people support social security, public goods, and other things the government supplies but that´s not what I´m saying. I´m saying in the abstract they support ¨less government¨ and that´s what their protest is asking for. People do no support statments such as :

¨They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.¨

¨They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.¨

¨They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.¨

¨They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.¨

¨They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.¨,

¨They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.¨,

¨They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.¨

¨They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.¨

People don´t have any desire to protest this. If they were to stick to the wall street needs to be held accountable message instead of whatever lefty message they want to write on cardboard they´d be more legitament and supported. What does wall street have to do with any of those things?

 

[CHEEZMO™]

WHY ARE PEOPLE PROTESTING THINGS THAT NO ONE WANTS TO PROTEST?!

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

In the interest of letting people discuss the issues at hand, whatever they may feel they are or however they feel about them, I withdraw from posting in this thread and any future thread on the subject.

 

[Karma Kramer]

The Tea Party have absolutely nothing to stand on in my opinion due to their general support of the GOP. These days the GOP is far more in favor of big government, whether its spending or infringing on freedoms.

 

[Karma Kramer]

In the interest of letting people discuss the issues at hand, whatever they may feel they are or however they feel about them, I withdraw from posting in this thread and any future thread on the subject.

You can contribute Manos, but just don't be so absurd with posting every other post. You posted 3 times as much as the 2nd largest poster. Just cut back a little bit, your opinion is valid... people just don't like pestering

 

[SolKane]

Name me the things in that manefesto that you would even get 50 percent support on in a national poll.

How about:

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

Washington Post reports that 52% support a moratorium on foreclosures:

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

A majority favor limiting executive bonuses:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120872/americans-favor-gov-action-limit-executive-pay.aspx

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.

And 60% oppose removing collective bargaining rights for public employees.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/us/01poll.html?_r=1&hp

And those are just three things from that manifesto, I'm sure I could find more. But that "manifesto" is not a policy document, it's a list of grievances. If you want to criticize them for lacking a coherent plan, that's fine, but it's not factual to say that what they stand for is not supported by a large number of the American people.

People don´t have any desire to protest this. If they were to stick to the wall street needs to be held accountable message instead of whatever lefty message they want to write on cardboard they´d be more legitament and supported. What does wall street have to do with any of those things?

Wall Street is simply the symbol that they've chosen, that much should be obvious. It's clear that they have a wide range of voices and a number of goals, and that's a good thing because they should be praised for being inclusive. Their ability to affect change has nothing to do with what their message is per se, but rather their ability to attract attention and further democratic support. And if you look at their website, you can see that the protests are growing all around this country and will continue to do so.

 

[remnant]

What isn't true about the Kochs being involved with funding the tea party?

The fact that the Koch brothers donate money to various politics all the time? The fact that the tea party bombs and protest started before the earliest inclination of the koch brothers being involved were confirmed. Or that the vast majority of money that koch brothers spend isn't on specific campaigns but on think tanks and the like. Not exactly the institutions that rule the world

I thought we got over this "Mastermind behind the curtain? bullshit with George Soros.

 

[Drkirby]

Looking at some of those parts, this one sticks out for me oddly.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

Yes, you have the right to pursue knowledge. it is not a human right to go to a university for free.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

No, no they have not.


Also, I dislike the sweeping generational of corporations.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

Yes, I am sure the corporations that produce Solar panels and construct Wind Mill are actively trying to block the alternative energy sources they produce. I can see where they are coming from, but I do wish they would not just use "They"

The next one:

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

The same thing. There are companies that try to stop Generic drug, but there are ones that pursue it, since they produce the Generic Drugs.

The manifesto is just not well written. There are some good ideals in there, but it is just worded really badly. Take about half the ideals, word it to state those are you reasons to protest and goals for change that you hope to obtain though the protests, and go with it.

 

[el retorno]

How about:


Washington Post reports that 52% support a moratorium on foreclosures:

A majority favor limiting executive bonuses:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/120872/americans-favor-gov-action-limit-executive-pay.aspx



And 60% oppose removing collective bargaining rights for public employees.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/us/01poll.html?_r=1&hp

And those are just three things from that manifesto, I'm sure I could find more. But that "manifesto" is not a policy document, it's a list of grievances. If you want to criticize them for lacking a coherent plan, that's fine, but it's not factual to say that what they stand for is not supported by a large number of the American people.



Wall Street is simply the symbol that they've chosen, that much should be obvious. It's clear that they have a wide range of voices and a number of goals, and that's a good thing because they should be praised for being inclusive. Their ability to affect change has nothing to do with what their message is per se, but rather their ability to attract attention and further democratic support. And if you look at their website, you can see that the protests are growing all around this country and will continue to do so.

Supporting a moratorium on forclorsures doesn´t mean that they think the banks have used illegal methods. Neither does the statement that they support not changing collective bargining mean that they think businesses have some giant comspiracy which is what the document says. The only thing I can possibly see a majority people agreeing with is being mad about the bailouts, but hey guess what so is the tea party!
There´s something they have in common

 

[Gallbaro]

No significant police force in the US has any type of quota.

NYPD has "statistical references," because quotas are much more accurate with larger populations.

 

[remnant]

Looking at some of those parts, this one sticks out for me oddly.


Yes, you have the right to pursue knowledge. it is not a human right to go to a university for free.

Anything is a right if you have a government big enough to make someone else pay for your education.

 

[CHEEZMO™]

There´s something they have in common

And?

Or are we playing the "X doesn't like Y, so Z should like Y simply because X doesn't" game now?

 

[el retorno]

The fact that the Koch brothers donate money to various politics all the time? The fact that the tea party bombs and protest started before the earliest inclination of the koch brothers being involved were confirmed. Or that the vast majority of money that koch brothers spend isn't on specific campaigns but on think tanks and the like. Not exactly the institutions that rule the world

I thought we got over this "Mastermind behind the curtain? bullshit with George Soros.

I bet you that there are quite a few people who complain all abot the koch brothers but love programs such as nova and don´t realize all the man does that they support.

The guy is not some evil being. I don´t want to apoligize for the man but I hate boggiemen that people use to explain why they world is in such a ¨bad state¨

 

[Drkirby]

NYPD has "statistical references," because quotas are much more accurate with larger populations.

Yes, and those are to get an idea of the expected income from tickets, not to tell officers they have to write a certain number of tickets per week/month/year.

 

[Ripclawe]

Washington Post reports that 52% support a moratorium on foreclosures:

Yeah, That wouldn't screw up the economy even more.

They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

The same numbnuts that think everything is a right and everything should be free to them paid for by someone else.

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

Where?

 

[el retorno]

And?

Or are we playing the "X doesn't like Y, so Z should like Y simply because X doesn't" game now?

No I´m just trying to highlight the fact they agree on something. It doesn´t belittle the point. But why can´t someof these guys at this rally support the tea party members when they talk about how the bailouts where unfair instead of just decrying the entire movement as a corporate façade?


I´m not meaning to decry all these movement just to show that one is not better than the other.

 

[A Human Becoming]

Occupy Maine? Really?... What the hell is there to occupy in Maine?

The protest was located in the largest city in the state surrounded by multiple banks. All of us can't go to NYC.

 

[NathanMcMahon]

Anything is a right if you have a government big enough to make someone else pay for your education.

Should the government not pay for anyone's education?

 

[SolKane]

Supporting a moratorium on forclorsures doesn´t mean that they think the banks have used illegal methods. Neither does the statement that they support not changing collective bargining mean that they think businesses have some giant comspiracy which is what the document says. The only thing I can possibly see a majority people agreeing with is being mad about the bailouts, but hey guess what so is the tea party!
There´s something they have in common

You're projecting your own opinions onto this document. It is not a policy document, it is a list of grievances, many of which are supported by a majority of people in this country. I have demonstrated that there is support for several of these, which you refuse to accept. And just to get this straight, most people supported the bailout at the time it was proposed under Bush, but did not support the auto industry bailout.

 

[Drkirby]

Should the government not pay for anyone's education?

I would love it if the Government provided access to universities as a "free" service to the public. I just don't think it is a Basic Human Right. It is more of a goal that first world nations to strive for.

 

[NathanMcMahon]

I would love it if the Government provided access to universities as a "free" service to the public. I just don't think it is a Basic Human Right. It is more of a goal that first world nations to strive for.

That wasn't really answering my question but I appreciate the response.

 

[el retorno]

You're projecting your own opinions onto this document. It is not a policy document, it is a list of grievances, many of which are supported by a majority of people in this country. I have demonstrated that there is support for several of these, which you refuse to accept. And just to get this straight, most people supported the bailout at the time it was proposed under Bush, but did not support the auto industry bailout.

Which complants are supported by the majority of the people? You showed that some people agree with certain solutions to certain problems but not with these complants.